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#1  May 15, 2010, 02:47:18 am
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well... short stuff...

since it's one of the greatest moments of humanity...
what do you think about it?

I've been really skeptical about it... and mostly because recent events, like NASA missing all the original files (and planes) for apollo missions or google moon, when you can see just a "paint" image in the place that missions were supposed to happen...

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#4  May 15, 2010, 03:07:08 am
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hahaha... I remember that video!!
funny one...

yeah I'm serious, I think most of americans believe in the moon landing, but here on my city, with a few people I have talked about this, it's like a 8/10 that don't believe it...

what it's intriguing is that google moon doesn't show you  images of the moon landings, instead you see a gray image (like something made with paint just with NASA or USA name ---can't remember right now---)

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#5  May 15, 2010, 03:18:29 am
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We went to the moon and we didn't find any oil, so we left for good.

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Well.
There are certainly events of people going to the open space wich was witnessed by thousands, and not only official, faces.
There are also cases of people returning from space...heavily poisoned with radiation.....[one person on the news, long ago..]
Honestly ...yeah people went there...but now that you saying all this, i cant recall hearing about any of those people anymore.
Theoretically i dont think anyone who could reach moon would be able to get back home on earth.
Trying in doing so would result landing capsule smashing into tiny pieces, and body particles wont be recognizeble.
I believe this reqauires some heavy research before answering your direct question.
And yes people have gone to the moon...but i am not sure if they reached it or came back.

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now that you mention "radiation"
what about van allen radiation?

far as I know, it's supposed that humans are not capable to cross that radiation (cosmonauts were miles away from it, and suffer his effects)... to cross that line you need a wall of at least 1 mt of Iron or more (iirc), but apolo ship was just 1 inch thick...

also cosmonauts were the first on send an animal, satelite, human, etc etc etc to space... (pretty much ALL)... surprising enough was that americans could send a man to the moon at first try (before they can't even land some artifacts there :/)

again, cosmonauts were asked... why you don't go to the moon?
tha answer was... "it's not possible"
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#10  May 15, 2010, 03:54:43 am
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they bring moonrocks as souvenirs, the video might be faked, to show more epic landing  in 60's movie style along with the narrator and corny quotes, but they do landed in maybe less dramatic way to worth a public video, or nasa were not confidence enough to make a live video of it.

this moon landing conspiracy is old and rather stupid IMO

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1 mt of Iron or more (iirc), but apolo ship was just 1 inch thick...

You do know that it is made out of titanium right? Or at least the return pod is. The whole shit does not make it back.

A rocket is strapped to a big gas tank, it is launched into space, half of the shit falls off before it even gets away from the outer part of the biosphere, then what is left flies to the moon and circle in its gravity. Then then they launch a lander. Then when they want to come back the top part of the lander launches in less gravity and no atmosphere. Half of the lander is left behind. Then what is left of the lander meets what is left of the rocket. They use the g forces of the moons gravity to sling shot back at the earth, then they use the titanium pod to return to earth and the rest of the shit stays in space.

That is why the shuttle is so cool, a lot less trash left behind, but it can't go into open space and return.

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We should seriously look into colonising the moon. The tech is there now. Once you make enough initial headway extra people will = only things going up there.

And the moon is a far better staging platform for rockets and shit. Less gravity means less effort to leave it therefore less fuel.


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More than just money. no atmosphere means that it would be easy for a rock to hit anything will build there, and unlike the station, we can't just move it.

I have heard that were thinking about making a dark side base in a cavern for protection.

The idea is that telescopes would work better on the dark side and like Cy said we can use it for blasting off and returning at a cheaper price tag then sending shit from our rock.

I also heard that they were planing on mining asteroids on the dark side, that was bush plan, that they just scratched. Now it sounds like we are putting all our money into Mars missions and research.

I guess that Bush wanted to build some expensive shit to go there, last I heard Obama's plan was Apollo like ships that would get there in 2025 or so.

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Yup, man has been there and done that.

Mythbusters proved it.

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Cyanide said, May 15, 2010, 04:49:14 am
We should seriously look into colonising the moon. The tech is there now. Once you make enough initial headway extra people will = only things going up there.

And the moon is a far better staging platform for rockets and shit. Less gravity means less effort to leave it therefore less fuel.

talking about rockets, there's one in development right now that has the potential to get us to mars within a month from leaving earth, as opposed to our current rockets which would take nine months from earth. a moon base would be incredible, but technology is moving at such a rapid pace that it could be a waste of money to do so.

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You do know that it is made out of titanium right? Or at least the return pod is
that's why I write the "iirc"... need to check that...

having a base on the moon is a risk, even if it requires less effort, I think it would be more dangerous since it has not atmosphere and any garbage can hit things on the moon...
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last I heard Obama's plan was Apollo like ships that would get there in 2025 or so.
far as I know, it's cancel...
the same goes with japan (or china), they cancel his moon project
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Build? Hell no. Dig. Underground colony. Good 10 feet of rock should stop most of the mini meteors causing leaks. Sure, standard buildings would be a waste. But you don't want to cart building material up. Just things that can dig. Then, when you have a large hole in the ground you start using the material you excavated for interiors.

This wouldn't be short, but it would be a fucking awesome staging area. Shove solar panels everywhere and some good storage batteries, you'll almost NEVER be without power for too long. Probably the biggest issues are water, and oxygen. Hydroponics does a bit, you'd need a decent startoff and there would probably be rationing involved. Moon base should be where the earth is headed.


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You do know that it is made out of titanium right? Or at least the return pod is

having a base on the moon is a risk, even if it requires less effort, I think it would be more dangerous since it has not atmosphere and any garbage can hit things on the moon...


Soviet's mir were floating there in the open for 15 years, and how about our sattelites.
sure there will be impact from time to time, but it can be repaired. and since it is usually built in modules, then the damage can be easily localized, to be fixed or replaced. 

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Yeah but they move the stations and satellites and stuff out of the way crap when they see it coming. On the moon that option is gone and unlike a satellite the moon has gravity so it acts as a freaking magnet for space junk. The earth is like that too, but the difference is you are not attached to the magnet so you run for your life.

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#22  May 15, 2010, 09:17:10 am
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i believe we did but not in 1969.

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Shamrock said, May 15, 2010, 09:13:02 am
Yeah but they move the stations and satellites and stuff out of the way crap when they see it coming. On the moon that option is gone and unlike a satellite the moon has gravity so it acts as a freaking magnet for space junk. The earth is like that too, but the difference is you are not attached to the magnet so you run for your life.
I think a moonbase would also semi permanent station, and can move when any serious impact is predicted, or when they found better camping spot.
beside moon rotation is equal to its orbital, so it is practically much saver to build a camping ground on the side than always facing the earth  :)
since the junks that happen to pass between earth and moon (maybe only satelites junks) would be sucked by earth' gravity more than moon'

while asteroid will most likely hit the back side of the moon
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Shamrock said, May 15, 2010, 09:13:02 am
Yeah but they move the stations and satellites and stuff out of the way crap when they see it coming. On the moon that option is gone and unlike a satellite the moon has gravity so it acts as a freaking magnet for space junk. The earth is like that too, but the difference is you are not attached to the magnet so you run for your life.

It's mostly small meteors. Like, they'd hammer a normal building, but they aren't going to get all the way through 10 feet of rock. Big ones, well, you'd be scanning for them and breaking them before they got there. A catapult to fire another rock would do it. You wouldn't need explosives at all.


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Have you not noticed the big giant holes on the light side of the moon. Those were not made by water they were made by great big flying rocks.

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Cyanide said, May 15, 2010, 07:43:57 am
Probably the biggest issues are water, and oxygen. Hydroponics does a bit, you'd need a decent startoff and there would probably be rationing involved. Moon base should be where the earth is headed.

on that note, the rocket they shot into a crater in the moon a while ago was done exactly to test for the presence of ice to use as a resource for any future moon installations. most of the bigger/deeper craters that cover the surface are believed to hold a great amount of water in ice form. as for oxygen it's my understanding that, aside from air tanks, the space station in orbit now has a kind of "recycle" process for breathable air.  basically waste water and any humidity is absorbed into a system that electrolyzes them, then separates the hydrogen particles from oxygen, and leaves breathable air. the tanks of compressed air are only used in emergencies. if they find a large volume of ice in a crater, they could theoretically set up a base that could remain largely self-sustaining for decades. the only thing they would need is food, which i'm sure they'd get in pretty large quantities from earth.

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I think the asteroids impact was more frequent at the younger age of our solar system, and since universe seems to be pulling away farther from each other it will make less collitions, and also like I said earth which is a bigger magnet would probably suck them in before it bruises the moon, and even if it will hit the moon, I think those base is more or less like a camping site where the oversized caravans can more.

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They should just make those suits from Dune and call it a day.

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part of the waste water, i.e. pee, is recycled into drinkable water on the space station as well. i'm sure they're hard at work trying to figure out how to make a working stillsuit, though.

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Shamrock said, May 15, 2010, 09:41:13 am
Have you not noticed the big giant holes on the light side of the moon. Those were not made by water they were made by great big flying rocks.

yeah, and those are a lot of them...
according to what I know, last impact was thousands of years ago, and the "trash" (parts of the moon and meteor) get into the surface of Earth, turned black from the atmosphere... it was all written and documented in all of those residues, and they were sold at highly prices... (my dad has one, but for free!!)

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http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
haven't watched that... last time I search for info about it, the only thing I find was a more (yeah more) distant image and a lot more blury, it was even a offense to call it a evidence xD



 
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this thread tends to flamewars, se keep it civil, share ideas and opinions!!  :sugoi:
If you want this thread to be taken seriously why would you put the "mod position" option in the poll?

Anyway, they did this on Mythbuster and proved all the skeptics wrong. Every popular example of alleged fraud of the moon landed was put to the test and all resulted in proof of man being on the moon.

One main thing that I remember was that there was no way for them to fake the low gravity effect of the astronauts bouncing around.
I can understand the skepticism though. When you look at the footage, the lighting and background look too perfect, but you have to remember that they were in space and a lot of elements of terrestrial atmosphere and surroundings wouldn't apply.

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...gets away from the outer part of the biosphere...
Biosphere and atmosphere have nothing to do with each other, or better yet, the biosphere is not a layer of the atmosphere.
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One main thing that I remember was that there was no way for them to fake the low gravity effect of the astronauts bouncing around.
I would like to see that program, will search for it on youtube...

but I have seen the other side of the coin :P

it seems to be the easiest thing to fake, and there's like 2 videos (or more) that are strange, one when you can see a cable on the astronaut, and another when he gets up in reverse, like if a cable send him back (seriously, that doesn't look possible to human body even if gravity is not the same, he doesn't even touch the ground or something to take a bit impulse, he just got back suddenly)... also by the gravity... just do what most conspiracy videos says... watch the video at 2x speed and they look plain stupid running around like everyone can do it here on earth (gravity looks even the same, dust, etc)

can't remember exactly were I saw that, since I have seen a lot of documentals of both sides (official ones and the "conspiracy" ones too)...

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I doubt this pool option will make any flamewar... or that "joke" is like... heey don't take this thread serious... (?)

I don't even mention "serious" just keep it civil and share ideas... since there's a lot of people (in other places) that just say stuff like... "we did, you idiot, conspiracy fag" and that's all his argument (and worst when you see they are ignorant and "talk" just to piss off other people)

what it's interesting (at least here) is that one of my teachers, and some old people that listen to a radio program when they talk about this... they said this apollo missions are fake, that they were recorded in Mexico, in Sonora (it's near to my city) and they give the same name of the place, but I can't remember it right now... they said, NASA boys come here with militars, and "futuristic" stuff, prepared all that like a moon landing and filmed... the access to be near to the zone was denied, and they record all those videos and images there...
so the question is...

could be that the case?
or just a hollywood movie? (strange to use militar people in there)
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#40  May 17, 2010, 11:12:19 am
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like I said the video probably faked, maybe the actual recorded video sucked so bad, who can make a representative video coverage with a camera fitted to his chest.

but I believe the missions were real. some skeptics might said the ability of a computer at that time was not much advanced than a calculator, but that's what needed, a calculator, since the mission was manned and the only thing need to be done with the computer was to calculate. with each technician calculate specific parameter, it should be enough to make them land to an object as big as moon, or to ditch themself back in the ocean.

c'mon Nio, from where then those large quantity of moon rocks came from, since they are different than those very rare moon rock asteroids that has been burned by atmosphere.



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c'mon Nio, from where then those large quantity of moon rocks came from, since they are different than those very rare moon rock asteroids that has been burned by atmosphere.
we have another expeditions like Lunik or Luna19 and 20 that came back with moon rocks... and no man was traveling...

I'm in nearly in the same idea... videos are fake, even photos, the camera designer says they are nearly perfect pics, and when they were training with them, shots were a failure... (he says it seems unreal)

there's a lot of strange things on this monumental moment...
if the pics of the Moon with the moonlanding proof are real... why on googlemoon we got a "blind" spot where they are supposed to be?  o_O
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without "a good computer" and high tech in general, which one was easier, to send some guys to pick those fucken moonrocks, or to make a robot to land on the moon and then picked each rock with carefully calculated mechanical arm action through pong console styled joystick  :P

see the rather huge different in quantity between rocks collected by luna and apollo missions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock

I mean conspiracy theory is always pleasant to read, like elvis being abducted by aliens, jacko living in hungary, but when a rock solid proof given.... then one must think rationally, eventhough it's less romantic  ;)
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