The Mugen Fighters Guild - Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

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Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#1 September 30, 2014, 06:02:40 pm

The Mad Paletter

Alright. Seeing how this is literally ticking me off and many others, its come to my attention make the people alert of whats going on.
So Instead of derailing other posts I am taking this discussion to here.
Recently, Sennou-Room, a Mugen creator from Japan, had his characters and blog taken down. At first I thought this would be a sham like any other crappy Copyright takedowns as means of trolling, but seeing 9 and a few others go down.....Something is definately wrong here.
I don't see the reason why Ecole would do such a thing to a good community that is using their sprites and works NONPROFITLY besides the means
of and I quote "Self-Pride".
Of course its enough about my end. I would like to hear/read your thoughts and opinions on this matter.
(and don't lock this/delete this or move this to a different location as this is affecting M.U.G.E.N. Thank you.)

I'm not Crazy...I'm just Mentally not-ill enough....

SeraphicAngel

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#2 September 30, 2014, 06:04:23 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Ill just copy and paste what i said on Sennou's thread.

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This is utter bullshit, they need to be stopped.

They are ruining everything.

This BULLSHITY Group is using peoples fear of legal persecution to shut them down for their own DAMN personal gratification! I WONT STAND FOR THIS!

I am from Japan as well, but this is UNFORGIVABLE.

Copyright law being enforced here? Yea maybe but its not to THIS POINT.

Ecole...They believe in Justice with Copyright, they beleive it needs to be enforced no matter what. At first it was just UNIB, but now they're doing MB and anything else now. SELF-PRIDE/GRATIFICATION. They beleive their work needs to be THEIRS alone and NO Edits or 3rd party Creations (Even non-profit) should EXIST. And this in thus fufills their own SELF-GRATIFICATION of their views on copyright. Making THEM Feel good.

But what you guys need to be reminded of (or taught) is that "Japan" isnt like this, its only a select few people/groups. There are plenty of Japanese Copyrighted stuff that ISNT Heavily Copyrighted, Such as Touhou Music and Remixes of Songs. Ever see a Touhou song get taken down on Youtube? I haven't. Ever see remixes get taken down on Youtube? I haven't. I myself have uploaded SEVERAL Remixed Songs to Youtube (Official Remixes) And they don't even get a 3rd Party NOTIFICATION. Same with Touhou. There are THOUSANDS of Full Quality Touhou Songs on Youtube and i have never seen one go down unless used in a Copyrighted VISUAL Video.

Non-LARGE Record Production Music isn't heavily copyrighted. I have a Music Channel with some music on it from different Comikets that are fine.

Markpachi

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#3 September 30, 2014, 06:13:49 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

No offense, but what i'm seeing from you guys is an act of rebellion with ecole's actions. I've never seen an act of rebellion that had helped solve an issue. There will always be people in this world who are sensitive when it comes to their creations. Have you guys tried contacting them via e-mail? Maybe you guys could try explaining it calmly before lashing out.

SeraphicAngel

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#4 September 30, 2014, 06:18:53 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Im not really lashing out or rebelling really.

I myself have been a victim to copyright claims (Wrong ones at that). So i apologize if i come off as "Rebellious"

Contacting them by email? U think it would do any good? They don't seem the type to listen to reason. Now u can say that im saying this without even trying, or that it sounds like im giving up before trying. And u may be right, but I honestly don't think "Emailing" Them would do any good. They went so far as to directly take down peoples blogs and stop them from sharing/producing work they've spent months - years on and put their own valuable time into.

Reminds me abit of Mysterious Army. They are a Vietnamese Hacker group that took down 3Dgundam, a Chinese UKWXP Modding Site. Why? Probably because it violated Gundam's Copyright. That or they just pissed them off for some reason.

My point is, these people don't listen to Emails from random people. All they seem to care about are their instant-gratifications of enforcing "Copyright" in order to make Themselves feel better and keep their work the ONLY of its kind in the world.

Umezono

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#5 September 30, 2014, 06:19:53 pm

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
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you guys are acting so entitled to other peoples work lol. its almost hypocritical someone would mention gratification when the only reason people are whining is because they want to have other peoples mb characters. i actually think its perfectly fine for ecole to do this if they want. mugens open source but that doesnt make the stuff were using open source. if they want it down they have every right to.

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#6 September 30, 2014, 06:20:18 pm

Well, it is their property; regardless of how one may feel, they have every right to do this. Sucks because I was just getting into MB and the likes too.

I'm just glad that other companies are a bit more flexible with their IPs and such.

Markpachi

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#7 September 30, 2014, 06:24:23 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

I suggest e-mailing them. Who knows. If someone explains to them properly that Mugen is just for fun, and that a lot of people pour out their heart and soul at making content with their work, and that they should consider it as fan-art, they might actually reconsider and give Mugen a free pass.

SeraphicAngel

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#8 September 30, 2014, 06:27:00 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Uhhh, Ume...No.

Idc if i get my hands on other peoples work or not. I really don't.

Yes they have every right to "Enforce" copyright on their work.

But they could at least ask nicely

Joking aside, im serious. I just don't like to see people "Forced" to get rid of something they worked hard on. I myself...have been a major victim in this. 12 youtube accounts with 400+ videos, years of work. Gone. Due to unjust copyright claims which was legal under Fair Use. As i was not making a profit from it.

No, im not mad at them for really enforcing their rights, but what im mad at is that they seem to be "Forcing it down our Throats" and saying "Hey! You cant do that! We're gonna shut you down without even asking nicely! Here! Have a Copyright Notice! Do it again and we'll sue you for X Amount of money!"

Thats, what im mad at. Unjust? Maybe...Selfish? Perhaps.

But, its how i feel. And im entitled to my opinion on this matter.

@Markpachi, maybe. I still don't think it will do any good but i'll give it a whirl.

Markpachi

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#9 September 30, 2014, 06:32:13 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

Also, about e-mailing them. If what you said about them is true, then you should choose your words carefully before sending it to them. I mean, if you were to send them an e-mail about it, you'll be representing Mugen as a whole community, and if you accidentally say something that they don't like, they might lock us up completely, and even worse, take legal actions.

SeraphicAngel

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#10 September 30, 2014, 06:34:11 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

I know, thanks for the reminder though.

Im careful with my words, i won't say anything stupid lol.

Niitris

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#11 September 30, 2014, 06:43:01 pm

Umezono said, September 30, 2014, 06:19:53 pm

i actually think its perfectly fine for ecole to do this if they want.

Agree with the other stuff, but don't know about that part (although I'm speaking from an overall perspective). I mean, Mugen is also free advertising of sorts. Quite a few people here was introduced to KoF (and likely other obscure games) through Mugen. Ecole's stuff isn't exactly iconic or anything to that like (and I'm sure that's not what they're aiming for) but it's disappointing that people want to promote the things they like only to be told "NO" by the people who made it (again, they do have the final word and rightfully so). I can see where people would become frustrated and less supportive of them, especially if they're resorting to immediate legal threats to discourage people from doing something that's rather harmless (they may not think so of course).

Agreed, e-mail is the best course of action to take, though don't be surprised and/or offended if it doesn't garner the desired result.

SeraphicAngel

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#12 September 30, 2014, 06:49:16 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Niitris said, September 30, 2014, 06:43:01 pm

though don't be surprised and/or offended if it doesn't garner the desired result.

Kinda what im expecting but hey, i've gotta try right?

Markpachi

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#13 September 30, 2014, 06:50:16 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

Hold on, I think I get why they're mad.

People ripped their sprites. Sprites that Ecole paid people for.

People here used the sprites for Mugen.

Ecole assumes we're using their sprites without permission and/or using it for profit.

Is sprite considered illegal or not? And up to what extent is it to be considered illegal?

C.R.O.M Lando

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#14 September 30, 2014, 06:53:57 pm

What did the 5 fingers say to the face? SMAAACCCK!

Hmmmm this is some real deal stuff to think about since I am making anime characters from various animes and some mangas. Dont want to spark a forest fire. Maybe I should stay low under the radar then as I have been lately. Def some stuff to think about if Ecole really upset or something. IDK.

SeraphicAngel

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#15 September 30, 2014, 06:55:31 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Sprite Ripping is legal as long as you don't make a profit from it, at least, its not really enforced or said anywhere that its ILLEGAL.

And thats just it, they are "Assuming" that we are. You would THINK they would do their research before assuming these things. You'd really expect better from these people.

Markpachi

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#16 September 30, 2014, 07:05:16 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

They sure did their research seeing as they saw and discovered Mugen.

Niitris

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#17 September 30, 2014, 07:08:27 pm

Another thing is that Ecole isn't a huge corporation. They generate less revenue (and have less ways of making money) the likes of Capcom/SNK/ASW and those guys. They would naturally be a bit more reluctant to let people use their stuff, free or otherwise.

C.R.O.M Lando said, September 30, 2014, 06:53:57 pm

Hmmmm this is some real deal stuff to think about since I am making anime characters from various animes and some mangas. Dont want to spark a forest fire.

In an industry where they allow people to sell doujinshi of Hinata/Bulma/Asuka/Haruhi... I wouldn't be worried about them suddenly targeting Mugen.

Besides, Hyper DBZ would've been struck down if that was the case.

DKDC

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#18 September 30, 2014, 07:10:29 pm

Markpachi said, September 30, 2014, 07:05:16 pm

They sure did their research seeing as they saw and discovered Mugen.

Mugen's not that obscure among companies that make fighting games, and I would guess that it's even less obscure to doujin companies (Ecole coming from the first Melty Blood and all when it was a doujin). But they don't always understand the details, see SNK who at first said don't use our stuff and then backtracked from the fan backlash alone.
Although I'm pretty sure it's not the first time Ecole or the Melty Blood guys pull that shit ? Shouldn't they know by now or are they just retarded ?

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#19 September 30, 2014, 07:11:57 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

I meant them discovering the different authors of MB chars. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Shwa

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#20 September 30, 2014, 07:12:52 pm

Put 'er there.
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It is the very first time, actually.

Shwa said, September 30, 2014, 06:59:19 pm

What puzzles me more about this is why the hell has Ecole taken so long to do this when the could've done it since Drowin's Kouma, which was like... what, over 8 years ago? ww

It has not happened even once until recently.

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