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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#21  September 30, 2014, 07:16:05 pm
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They didn't actually force Mugen sites to shut down but I'm definitely sure they pressured Japanese Mugen creators before. At some point, several years ago, a lot of Japanese creators were saying "okay, they're asking, let's take our stuff down" for a while. That happened with Melty Blood creations and, I think... what was it, Queen of Hearts ? Both from French Bread.
That didn't hold.
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#22  September 30, 2014, 07:18:08 pm
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Sprite Ripping is legal as long as you don't make a profit from it, at least, its not really enforced or said anywhere that its ILLEGAL.
This is not, technically, true.  Its, at least, a gray area. As Markpachi said, "Sprites that Ecole paid people for". The sprites are owned by the companies. Extract stuff from a copyright content and share it can be saw as illegal.

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#23  September 30, 2014, 07:25:47 pm
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Yeah O llu that is what I thought as well . I was once told that if you buy the game, you only own the game as packaged...not the content inside of it. Some shyt like that I think it went.

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#24  September 30, 2014, 07:26:14 pm
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DKDC said, September 30, 2014, 07:16:05 pm
They didn't actually force Mugen sites to shut down but I'm definitely sure they pressured Japanese Mugen creators before. At some point, several years ago, a lot of Japanese creators were saying "okay, they're asking, let's take our stuff down" for a while. That happened with Melty Blood creations and, I think... what was it, Queen of Hearts ?
That's the thing, though. Nobody got pressured over stopping MB conversions specifically. They had just... passively requested people should slow down over MB and QoH conversions (Furapan made QoH back when they were soft circle Watanabe) so they could actually get their games around, but nobody did and they had eventually stopped bothering. People figured it ended up being pointless outside of giving them good press, that their games were worth converting from.

Was more like
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"tell the others to stop making so many ken's then"
"well ok"
than whatever hostile takeover is happening now. lol

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#25  September 30, 2014, 07:29:22 pm
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C.R.O.M Lando said, September 30, 2014, 07:25:47 pm
Yeah O llu that is what I thought as well . I was once told that if you buy the game, you only own the game as packaged...not the content inside of it. Some shyt like that I think it went.
You don't even own the game itself, technically,  you're merely leasing the right to experience their intellectual property, or some such nonsense. At least, that's what they consider to be the case.

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#26  September 30, 2014, 07:31:50 pm
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Shwa said, September 30, 2014, 07:26:14 pm
So... what does that little detail change ? They still tried it before and it didn't do them any good. Do they think it's a better idea now that they can pull legal weight, completely disregarding the fact that it's a retarded idea in the first place regardless of legal matters ?
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#27  September 30, 2014, 07:33:25 pm
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Jmorphman said, September 30, 2014, 07:29:22 pm
C.R.O.M Lando said, September 30, 2014, 07:25:47 pm
Yeah O llu that is what I thought as well . I was once told that if you buy the game, you only own the game as packaged...not the content inside of it. Some shyt like that I think it went.
You don't even own the game itself, technically,  you're merely leasing the right to experience their intellectual property, or some such nonsense. At least, that's what they consider to be the case.
Yup so see why copyright laws on stuff is so crazy. lol.

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#28  September 30, 2014, 07:33:39 pm
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So this is just them being really angry at us for not listening to their slightly mellow way of cease and desist from before?



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#29  September 30, 2014, 07:36:19 pm
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In reading that it makes me believe that the ones in charge are being immature about it.
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#30  September 30, 2014, 07:36:35 pm
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DKDC said, September 30, 2014, 07:31:50 pm
So... what does that little detail change ? They still tried it before and it didn't do them any good. Do they think it's a better idea now that they can pull legal weight, completely disregarding the fact that it's a retarded idea in the first place regardless of legal matters ?
The big difference is that they barely even tried back then, and that was between 2001 and 2003. They had not done so again and, despite ECOLE being a small company, ever since the official merger in 2005, they had not touched the MUGEN community nor seeked to shut anyone down. My point was that it came down as a surprise after so long of neither side of ECOLE/Furapan doing anything about it.

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#31  September 30, 2014, 07:38:07 pm
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....so what's their stance on combat echizen?

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#32  September 30, 2014, 07:39:11 pm
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old and busted probably lol
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#33  September 30, 2014, 07:41:56 pm
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#34  September 30, 2014, 07:42:58 pm
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Ehhh I wouldnt think they would be pissed over old stuff being ripped...but rippin UNIB sprites...might be a shitstorm of pissed offnes cause its new material. IDK.

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#35  September 30, 2014, 07:47:38 pm
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SeraphicAngel said, September 30, 2014, 06:04:23 pm
Ever see a Touhou song get taken down on Youtube? I haven't. Ever see remixes get taken down on Youtube? I haven't. I myself have uploaded SEVERAL Remixed Songs to Youtube (Official Remixes) And they don't even get a 3rd Party NOTIFICATION. Same with Touhou. There are THOUSANDS of Full Quality Touhou Songs on Youtube and i have never seen one go down unless used in a Copyrighted VISUAL Video.
Several years ago I saw videos from Iron Attack , Crow's Claws, CYTOKINE & Demetori being taken down.

Flowrellik

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#36  September 30, 2014, 07:48:36 pm
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UNIB is understandable to a point. When did new stuff ever stop the world from ripping anyways.
But Melty Blood?
Also Anyone have the E-mail to Ecole?
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#37  September 30, 2014, 07:51:04 pm
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#38  September 30, 2014, 07:53:42 pm
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Dammit when I saw this thread I was gonna ask about Combat Echizen

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I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.

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#39  September 30, 2014, 08:09:02 pm
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I quickly read through everything here. I'll sit with this more later to gage a more thoughtful reply.

So Sennou Room is getting touchy over somehing that is considered freeware/fan work to begin with?? I've seen countless contributors or project leaders get their panties twisted over something that's clearly non-profit. Even sprites that were initially commissioned were recycled at some point in the future. While I could see why someone would ultimately get a bit angry/touchy over some sprites and/or custom work, as far as I know Capcom and SNK have made it clear on their understanding that Mugen is like fanart. Just in the playable sense.

To take down an entire community (which was pretty popular as far as I know) is a bit far fetched and a sign of blowing something out of proportion. While I think it's somewhat ridiculous, I could see their point to some degree.

Mugen is and will always be fan art related. Why can't everyone get this through their head?? If the way these guys are reacting happened everywhere, deviantart wouldn't exist. Fan fiction would be illegal and Capcom would sue themselves.
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There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#40  September 30, 2014, 08:10:58 pm
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Saikoro said, September 30, 2014, 08:09:02 pm
So Sennou Room is getting touchy over somehing that is considered freeware/fan work to begin with??
No he's not.
He directly complied with ECOLE's demands.

Great job reading through.
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