The Mugen Fighters Guild - Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Saikoro

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#41 September 30, 2014, 08:17:00 pm

Portrait Prodigy EX+

I told you I quickly skimmed!!

I'm just getting the sense that the same argument of Mugen's fan content we've seen for ages still keeps popping up. My post is based off of that angle just as the initial post eludes to.

All of your Mugen Portrait needs may be found HERE.

Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.

GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am

There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

Niitris

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#42 September 30, 2014, 08:18:54 pm

Saikoro said, September 30, 2014, 08:09:02 pm

I'll sit with this more later to gage a more thoughtful reply.

Should've did that part first.

Flowrellik

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#43 September 30, 2014, 08:21:31 pm

The Mad Paletter

seriously guys, do they not know of the Fair Use copyright law?
Fair Use Section of the Copyright Law clearly states that any copyrighted material may be used in any form as long as its for a non-profit project.
What we are doing is Non-profit. It does not matter what country you are from, they must abide to this law no matter how bad they think is killing off their franchise (Which is not btw).
This is the one thing that by quote from my sis (SeraphicAngel)
"a section many companies seem to forget exists.
Yeeaa surre they have a right to ASK u not to or ask u to take it down, but under fair use you are LEGALLY allowed to use it and deny their request as long as you aren't making any kind of profit from it."
Therefore Ecole's "Demands", no matter how threatening, can be denied, and they cannot do anything about it. This law is International, and proven to work against copyright claims.
In short: Sennou, 9, IQS, POTS, Jmorph, My neighbor, Sis, Even your CAT If he/she has a mind and thumbs can still do mugen in PEACE Without these companies to fret about it.
The best form of action when dealing with this is to post Fair Use against them.
www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
In the prideful words of my Dad, PEACE OUUUT!

I'm not Crazy...I'm just Mentally not-ill enough....

Niitris

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#44 September 30, 2014, 08:30:56 pm

I'm no expert in copywrite regulations, but I don't think Fair Use is that simple.

Anything that damages the integrity of an IP can be taken to court (doesn't matter if it's non-profit). Then there's the possibility that fan-work can infringe on the market value of the original.

Markpachi

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#45 September 30, 2014, 08:31:50 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

Are you sure that version of the the Copyright Law applies, or is the same as Japan's?

LurkerSupreme

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#46 September 30, 2014, 08:33:06 pm

No meaning to me, just an empty box.

How does U.S. law apply to Japanese creators dealing with a Japanese company? I can't blame them for taking down their stuff.

SeraphicAngel

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#47 September 30, 2014, 08:35:51 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Its not a US exclusive law, its the same in Japan. Here, Fair Use still applies. I have gotten many claims and everytime i used Fair Use as my Counter Claim, the Claim got dropped and I was allowed to keep my content.

Shaquto

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#48 September 30, 2014, 08:41:15 pm

Take That. !

Saikoro said, September 30, 2014, 08:09:02 pm

I quickly read through everything here. I'll sit with this more later to gage a more thoughtful reply.

So Sennou Room is getting touchy over somehing that is considered freeware/fan work to begin with?? I've seen countless contributors or project leaders get their panties twisted over something that's clearly non-profit. Even sprites that were initially commissioned were recycled at some point in the future. While I could see why someone would ultimately get a bit angry/touchy over some sprites and/or custom work, as far as I know Capcom and SNK have made it clear on their understanding that Mugen is like fanart. Just in the playable sense.

To take down an entire community (which was pretty popular as far as I know) is a bit far fetched and a sign of blowing something out of proportion. While I think it's somewhat ridiculous, I could see their point to some degree.

Mugen is and will always be fan art related. Why can't everyone get this through their head?? If the way these guys are reacting happened everywhere, deviantart wouldn't exist. Fan fiction would be illegal and Capcom would sue themselves.

amen to that!

RALSH.

First Lt. Ding said, October 19, 2014, 02:06:48 pm

I think the only H-Character I ever got was that Black Raiya edit and she had a super that forced the foe to suck her cock while classical music played.

Umezono

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#49 September 30, 2014, 08:46:11 pm

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

um no. "the Japanese Act does have a set of detailed provisions specifying fair use in particular circumstances such as reproduction for private use or reproduction in libraries or quotations, but it has never contained a general fair use defense such as in Article 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act. This has caused a lot of difficulties in dealing with copyright"

anyone crying fair use is spouting minsinformation

Kawaii Kingdom (visit our forums
My character reviews!
twitch (I have restarted my AI tournaments, check them out.)
youtube
●▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬♥๑۩۩๑♥▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬●
Put this on the profile of people who are known/wanted terrorists
that were involved in the September 11th attacks in 2001
●▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬♥๑۩۩๑♥▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬●
- courtesy of Iced

-Red-

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#50 September 30, 2014, 08:47:30 pm

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

Everything Ecole does is shit. Good riddance.

Move to a better game or company and code their characters for mugen. We'll all win.

pls

DKDC

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#51 September 30, 2014, 08:48:55 pm

Umezono said, September 30, 2014, 08:46:11 pm

um no. "the Japanese Act does have a set of detailed provisions specifying fair use in particular circumstances such as reproduction for private use or reproduction in libraries or quotations, but it has never contained a general fair use defense such as in Article 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act. This has caused a lot of difficulties in dealing with copyright"

anyone crying fair use is spouting minsinformation

Relevance-related counter-claim :
doujins.

If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

SeraphicAngel

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#52 September 30, 2014, 08:53:08 pm

Do these ears make me look fat nya~?

Is it in ur nature to reject everything people says Ume?

I am speaking from many personal experiences with Japanese Companies and Fair Use. They have always backed down when my counter claim was Fair Use.

If the Fair Use Law didnt apply in Japan, my own country I might add, then why do they always back down?

Flowrellik

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#53 September 30, 2014, 08:54:47 pm

The Mad Paletter

Yes that said copyright law, whether made in U.S. or not, applies to everyone, Japan included, even with circumstances you stated Ume.
Just because they have pride and honor does not mean that they should go as far as do takedowns by force without any regard to human rights, even if they are the original creators or not.
The fact that Ecole didn't show any means of backing down shows arrogance on their part that as a company they do not care about the community that they create games for and only care about themselves.
Seriously, something as a forceful takedown to a FAN-MADE PROJECT ON NON-PROFITABLE GROUNDS is just about as ridiculous as seeing an Idol Group's Manager Suing the Fans for Dating the Idols, and guess what? IT HAPPENED REGARDLESS.

I'm not Crazy...I'm just Mentally not-ill enough....

Bastard Mami

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#54 September 30, 2014, 08:58:49 pm

[E]
Online

the amount of work used is also a factor regarding fair use, even assuming it applies, a naked drawing of line is not gonna hrut the company the same way a perfectly accurate replica of line that plays the same way as she does in her original game, just like a news program airing a scene of a movie to comment on it is not gonna hurt movie ticket sales the same as a tv channel airing the whole movie under fair use.

DKDC said, September 30, 2014, 08:48:55 pm

Relevance-related counter-claim :
doujins.

that would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Markpachi

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#55 September 30, 2014, 08:59:47 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

Hey, to be fair, there are Mugen pricks that sell compilations that MIGHT contain MB characters. Maybe that's why Ecole freaked?

Flowrellik

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#56 September 30, 2014, 09:02:26 pm

The Mad Paletter

Selling Mugen Compilations??
Ok, THAT is new to me. Never have I seen a MUGEN Full game, let alone a compile, be sold.
I've seen them be Moleboxed mind you but this? Nope.

I'm not Crazy...I'm just Mentally not-ill enough....

Laharl

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#57 September 30, 2014, 09:02:44 pm

Mother Fucking Money!

I never thought of that it is true idiots try to cash in on things they didn't even make and are not even allowed to make money on. If that was the case I could understand but they should know by now the entire mugen community is not like that. You would think they would C&D those idiots rather than ppl who are using mugen what its meant for. FREE USE.

Something else a friend of mine mentioned they took down the netcode for MB. Idk if this is relevant but according to him it happened recently.

Cybaster said, May 21, 2013, 04:37:37 pm

You'll fix chuchoryu ? Sounds like a plan. How about you code him from scratch instead ?

Star Fucker said:

Do you often run naked in the streets screaming "YOU STUPID ASS FAGGOT NIGGA BITCHES WHY YOU NO HELP ME WITH MY MATH HOMEWORK !!!!???!!!!"

Red Comet Tyson

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#58 September 30, 2014, 09:05:05 pm

regarding the take downs, Japanese police doesn't fuck around so i understand why the authors flew while they can

64-bit-chu

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#59 September 30, 2014, 09:07:11 pm

...and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why 9/10 people could care less about copyright. Because nowadays it's just a massive, overpowered system of criminalizing beginning artists, censoring opposing viewpoints, eliminating interpretation, and just outright shutting people up. Even the first government-instituted copyright law (in England, the Statute of Anne) was just used as a tool to censor books the British Crown disagreed with.

It's quite disgusting.

Markpachi

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

#60 September 30, 2014, 09:07:58 pm

LET THE SWAGGING COMMENCE

What are you talking about.

Links to this post

Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators. (Read 5632 times)

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.

Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.