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Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators. (Read 5634 times)

Started by Flowrellik, September 30, 2014, 06:02:40 pm
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#61  September 30, 2014, 09:09:37 pm
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Still, If they really wanted to take down anything, they would have stopped the people that are making a profit out of selling mugen, NOT THE CREATORS THEMSELVES. Despite them not knowing that their works are involved does not mean they can just take the original author down, for the author did not agree to any and all means of having the fan works made for profitable purpose.
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Hell Thomas Edison stole patents and copyrighted them with HIS NAME on it and got away with it Scott-free.
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#62  September 30, 2014, 09:11:14 pm
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Flowrellik said, September 30, 2014, 09:02:26 pm
Selling Mugen Compilations??
Ok, THAT is new to me. Never have I seen a MUGEN Full game, let alone a compile, be sold.
I've seen them be Moleboxed mind you but this? Nope.
there was an asshat that spent like $300 trying to get get a compilation trough greenlight

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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#63  September 30, 2014, 09:15:59 pm
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...Thats just plain Retarded..
I'm very sorry if I sound direct but does he know that he cannot make any sort of profit using Mugen, even WITH compilations?
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#64  September 30, 2014, 09:19:54 pm
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#65  September 30, 2014, 09:26:31 pm
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Yeah. I've seen this before in the past.
The outcomes were....not likable. Some cases the motherfucker found ways of evading the problem only to be caught when the situation is too late.
Still, this doesn't mean that we all have to suffer for one man's mistake.
I know for a fact that this community so far alongside many others really do no harm and just go with the flow for what we enjoy. Same can be said for the very people that choose to blog their works, but that doesn't mean we take profit from it. We share it freely to the world with open arms, not open wallets.
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#66  September 30, 2014, 09:44:34 pm
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Flowrellik said, September 30, 2014, 09:02:26 pm
Selling Mugen Compilations??
Ok, THAT is new to me. Never have I seen a MUGEN Full game, let alone a compile, be sold.
I've seen them be Moleboxed mind you but this? Nope.
There was a thread here where people could report Mugen compilations being sold on sites like eBay and stuff, to send letters warning the site that this item is illegal. They call it a crossover game and claim it's official and there will always be a few people who have no idea what Mugen is and will get interested ; meanwhile the guy who does it runs little risk of anything.
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#67  September 30, 2014, 09:52:41 pm
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ok, THAT Is a major problem.
But I still do not see why Ecole would do takedowns on other authors when they should be aiming their sights on the people who are selling mugen like its a goldmine.
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#68  September 30, 2014, 10:24:37 pm
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SeraphicAngel said, September 30, 2014, 08:53:08 pm
Is it in ur nature to reject everything people says Ume?

I am speaking from many personal experiences with Japanese Companies and Fair Use. They have always backed down when my counter claim was Fair Use.

If the Fair Use Law didnt apply in Japan, my own country I might add, then why do they always back down?
no, its in my nature to challenge wrong stuff

your counter claims had to do with music im assuming? fair use works in different ways.

fair use is a law with several constraints, thats have to do with the scope of the work you ar eputting out. and yes, it far more restrictive than US fair use law. so yes, flowrellik us fair use policies DO NOT apply in japan.

furthermore, to act lie these people are tyrants for trying to protect something theyve invested in, is the height of entitlement and childishness.

yes, high quality MB characters thrown in a compilation would be an incentive not to buy the real thing.

no, this si not legally "fan-art," some companies choose to see it that way. but it is not. most mugen characters are directly ripping assets somebody paid for.

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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#69  September 30, 2014, 10:41:16 pm
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Umezono said, September 30, 2014, 10:24:37 pm
yes, high quality MB characters thrown in a compilation would be an incentive not to buy the real thing.
Debatable.
That aside, it's not like anyone CAN buy Current Code.
The only way you could even legally own it is via Carnival Phantasm's Season 3 box, which costs over $200 now.

That's ECOLE's fault for bundling it as a "bonus" for a DVD boxset when most only bought that boxset for Melty Blood. There is no seperate release and the game is pretty much impossible to own now unless you're a collector with pockets full of cash and insanely good connections. It had, what, less than 500 copies or something?

You can't really use that argument when the only way to access the already released consumer version of the game is by pirating it. Otherwise you'd have to play that in arcades. It's pretty shitty.

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#70  September 30, 2014, 11:08:26 pm
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What happened to all of you who were saying "That's just a small version for a more bigger future standalone release with extras like the boss rush and other console-like features. That's why that content is still there unused!"? Years later and we're still unable to buy the damn game, if even just digitally :|
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#71  September 30, 2014, 11:27:03 pm
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Don't joke about it, maybe it's because of those evil mugeners that Ecole lost monies and was never able to finish that complete version >:(
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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#72  September 30, 2014, 11:34:01 pm
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You mean the ones that sell mugen for profit right?
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#73  September 30, 2014, 11:46:14 pm
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#74  September 30, 2014, 11:56:13 pm
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[MFG]maximilianjenus said, September 30, 2014, 08:58:49 pm
DKDC said, September 30, 2014, 08:48:55 pm
Relevance-related counter-claim :
doujins.

that would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Isn't that pretty much what they're doing, though?

[MFG]maximilianjenus said, September 30, 2014, 08:58:49 pm
the amount of work used is also a factor regarding fair use, even assuming it applies, a naked drawing of line is not gonna hrut the company the same way a perfectly accurate replica of line that plays the same way as she does in her original game

How close ARE the MB creations out there ACTUALLY to the real thing, anyway? Last I checked, even ⑨'s stuff had noticeable problems to MB players, including combos that just shouldn't be possible. As Shwa said, that's debatable, as he would be clearly far from the actual thing. If you're a company and that's any sort of threat to you, you should probably reconsider how you're doing things.

And also going off of what Shwa said, I'd have to agree that the biggest problem with their sales is that they're not actually making their content widely available through reasonable means.
Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 12:13:29 am by Jesuszilla

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Re: Ecole's Takedown on japanese mugen creators.
#75  October 01, 2014, 12:22:25 am
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yeah, the logics that apply to most gaming companies who did fighitng games back in the 90s and became profitable back then sadly don't apply with this one becasue they only became big the past decade and already have a history with mugen.

Flowrellik said, September 30, 2014, 09:52:41 pm
ok, THAT Is a major problem.
But I still do not see why Ecole would do takedowns on other authors when they should be aiming their sights on the people who are selling mugen like its a goldmine.

because it's easier to attack problems at the root. let's say that minors buying alcohol is illegal, so rather than punishing any minors that you find whom have bought alcohol you instead start carding the people who buy alcohol to checdk if they are minors or not. you are going to inconvenience a fuckton of people who buy alcohol and are not minors but that helps a  lot insolvnig the problem.

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#76  October 01, 2014, 12:24:05 am
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Jesuszilla said, September 30, 2014, 11:56:13 pm
How close ARE the MB creations out there ACTUALLY to the real thing, anyway? Last I checked, even ⑨'s stuff had noticeable problems to MB players, including combos that just shouldn't be possible.
It depends which version of MB they were shooting for, really.
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#77  October 01, 2014, 12:26:04 am
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Dude now I understand why Ecole doesn't want people to do shit for mugen related to their games. The people behind the Melty Blood conversions are so bad at coding it makes their product look really really bad.

People are so bad at coding companies are starting to shut us down. This isn't going to end well!
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#78  October 01, 2014, 12:40:34 pm
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I wonder if my character's are at risk. Though I see Rajaa's and several other author's MB creations are still around.

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#79  October 01, 2014, 08:37:10 pm
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That does make me wonder if Ecole's rulings apply to Western creators.

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#80  October 01, 2014, 08:54:01 pm
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There's no "ruling" from Ecole. And if you mean who they may want to bully, even last time it was only Japanese creators, and this time seems to be the same so far.
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