The Mugen Fighters Guild - "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

Davod Sirloin

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#21 October 28, 2008, 01:05:20 am

YOMI

Valodim said, October 28, 2008, 12:53:02 am

Creationism is ok as long as it's taught as an ideology, not sold as fact.

I can dig it. It's only fair since Evolution is only a theory, not proven fact.

c00p

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#22 October 28, 2008, 01:33:43 am

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I hope you're not talkng 'bout my post, since i wan't refering to evolution (which i agree is the most probable -so far- thing that happened with life in earth), but the fact life began to exist randomly from a ridiculously tiny chance of dead elements association . . .

Bastard Walt

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#23 October 28, 2008, 01:42:53 am

ALE ALEJANDRO

If by "Ridiculously Tiny" you mean being in one of the few planets or stars with the correct distance to a Heat-emiting star for it to bear life, well then, you're pretty much discarding the initial argument

Read [E]'s reasoning.

"We live in a world of perpetual outrage"

c00p

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#24 October 28, 2008, 01:44:10 am

the placement of the planet is not definitive

Bastard Walt

When the Primordial Soup took place, the Planet's temperature was a lot higher

#25 October 28, 2008, 01:47:46 am

ALE ALEJANDRO

You're quite that Skeptical Guy, aren't you?

"We live in a world of perpetual outrage"

Spoonman

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#26 October 28, 2008, 02:18:58 am

LMAO!

Back in the good ol' days. I would have loved participating, but now I'm just not in the mood. May be later...

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Bastard Walt

j/k :P

#27 October 28, 2008, 02:51:12 am

ALE ALEJANDRO

Thanks for the heads up, we were actively waiting for your input

"We live in a world of perpetual outrage"

Lobo

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#28 October 28, 2008, 03:09:10 am

Bounty Hunting.....FOR PROFIT!

kingofM.U.G.E.N. said, October 26, 2008, 08:22:17 am

"Expelled", the movie with Ben Stein narrating.

I'll give you one guess about why I don't want to watch this movie. And it doesn't have to do with religion or science.

Spoonman

Re: j/k :P

#29 October 28, 2008, 03:16:54 am

LMAO!

[Walter] said, October 28, 2008, 02:51:12 am

Thanks for the heads up, we were actively waiting for your input

I was making something nice for you, but not anymore

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Peter H.

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#30 October 28, 2008, 03:46:43 am

My surname is not Foster, FYI.

shamrock said, October 27, 2008, 05:55:17 pm

Intelligent design has many merits and many scientist believe in some form of it but there is no proof. The problem is these same scientist know for a fact that the crap in the bible is just crap in the bible and the idea of mixing intelligent design with the bible is completely moronic. There's the problem people refuse to say the truth the bible is not literal. Some parts are more history than crazy shit and most of those parts are written by first hand accounts but stuff like Adam and Eve were written by Moses and he wasn't present and was educated as one of Pharaohs sons. The Adam and Eve story could originally be an Egyptian Idea and the first theory of Evolution.

If you look at the algorithms they have discovered concerning evolution and the Physics of well everything in the Universe the math is very exact. As in if you recreated the Big Bang the exact same thing would happen even us being alive and typing this shit would happen again. Even Chaos theory disappears if you go far enough back in time. Math is Math.

Because of these programing you could theorize that the math is to perfect and that something made the physics (Programing) The same way a computer programmer creates the Physics of a simulated world.

So far there is no proof but when you consider how perfect the Math is that even evolution can be broken down to a mathematical algorithm intelligent design warrants a degree of recognition as a possibility.

The problem once again is people who scream about intelligent design are screaming about the bible and heaven and hell so no one will listen to a crazy person. Science is just a bunch of weights and measures. If you can't weight measure or count it then you can't say it's scientific. Intelligent design you can measure so there for it can be studied. The bible has already been measured and it turns out it is false.

Not quite sure what you were trying to preach here (hard to read), but I wanted to add this piece of information: scientists have admitted that even the big bang (which is still a "theory" mind you) is not necessarily garaunteed to even form matter - they've done simulations with the variables and calculations in mind and still wound up hypothetical universes without matter in them. This is why we have things like the Super Hadron Collider to form shit that was there during the big bang's.....bang.

Good news for all of you.

I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

Well, ungoodbye to you all and I hope you all burn in hell.

- Peter

DKDC

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#31 October 28, 2008, 09:47:30 pm

Zangief said, October 28, 2008, 01:05:20 am

since Evolution is only a theory, not proven fact.

Evolution is a theory AND proven fact.

If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.

Munin

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#32 October 29, 2008, 03:33:45 am

[B]yakko said, October 28, 2008, 09:47:30 pm

Zangief said, October 28, 2008, 01:05:20 am
since Evolution is only a theory, not proven fact.
Evolution is a theory AND proven fact.

Isnt a theory by nature something that cannot be proven? Hence its a theory.

OZ

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#33 October 29, 2008, 04:10:23 am

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Theories can be proven.

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Munin

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#34 October 29, 2008, 04:15:18 am

My bad then.

c00p

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#35 October 29, 2008, 04:29:16 am

A proven theory wouldn't be a fact?
Anyway, "macroevolution" (hell, you must be tired of hear this, yet you keep on getting this wrong) is not something proven, sorry . . . Microevolution on the other hand, yes.
What has been observed through man history is something more like "adaptation" actually, there are no records of "evolution" creating new organs or such, what is commonly taken by evolution is actually changes the species develop to survive (or be able to make -insert whatever here- better), which is something a lot more accurate to the original darwin idea. Problem is that darwins toughts were used as "what if" . . . and people with a lot of imagination and disbelief towards the "traditional teaching" said -so maybe if we go back, dunno, millons of millons years back we were just cells that "adapted" and evolved and gathered complex organs . . . yes, that's gotta be-

A simple version by c00per

Davod Sirloin

Nevermind that those are contradictory.

#36 October 29, 2008, 05:10:03 am

YOMI

[B]yakko said, October 28, 2008, 09:47:30 pm

Evolution is a theory AND proven fact.

I'm dissapointed at you Byakko.

Messatsu

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#37 October 29, 2008, 06:01:41 am

In after lock

c00per said, October 29, 2008, 04:29:16 am

A simple version by c00per

Cross your arms and insert God for every question that becomes tough.

Bastard Wolf said, May 12, 2008, 05:02:05 pm

Many people risk their lives everyday by having Mugen.

Just No Point

Re: "Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts

#38 October 29, 2008, 06:16:38 am

Online

I don't get it. Why is it hard to believe both?

Science says big bang > cool down > infinite time + chance = life actually formed on random planets scattered here and there across infinite space and time...

Uh... couldn't something God Like create the big bang? or the matter in the big bang? Existence in of itself is a paradox. There should be nothing. But nothing is something... so there shouldn't even be nothing.

If anything God or creation or whatever made the nothings and somethings exist has to be the embodiment of paradox. So yeah. I believe in God... maybe god is not the same one spoke of in religions... maybe just a combined essence of us, life, matter, and paradox... but whatever forces out there are keeping everything running and going on for infinity I call that God

Maybe it's sentient, algorithmic, random, or something that our minds cannot wrap around. I wouldn't mind watching the documentary being discussed though. I like Ben Stein... though he's no Bill Nye