Iced said, September 05, 2014, 04:57:51 pmRajaa i cant tell if you are joking or not...It's not a joke because that was the context of what I was saying (it's just that Rajaa is more of an asshole than I am, I clearly have a lot to learn). While I do support a slight increase of minimal wage, it's off to think that all low-end laborers deserve to live decently because they have an occupation that anyone can do (at least not without a second job anyway). Hell, half of them can't be assed enough to do their only job right. Even if they do, they think it's enough to put in 40 hours of a job with the most minimal qualifications possible, not the same thing as putting in 40 hours in a job that requires an educational background. This would be solved if they did something else that would justify a better societal position. Nothing wrong with working fast-food or retail if that's what you gotta do, but it's far from enough.As for people who have this as their only option (immigrants and whatnot), it's as simple as learn decent English. You would kinda need to know the language to be able to succeed in an English speaking country.
Jmorphman said, September 05, 2014, 05:10:27 pmRight now, a parent that works full time, on minimum wage, will not earn enough to be above the federal poverty line. In what fucking universe is that acceptable?Why would a person have child if they're working full time on minimum wage? If you're working minimum wage, don't have children until you establish yourself. A nation full of people with a lack of individual responsibility forces the country to be in a perpetual welfare state, simply because the state literally can't stand by and watch its people struggle, even if it's the fault of the people. It's stupid and and we'll be right back here today a decade or two from now, arguing about why McDonalods' workers should get 50 dollars an hour for their nonexistent hard work.Jmorphman said, September 05, 2014, 05:10:27 pmEh, not really. That post was a fucking abortion, taking every other post in this thread out of context.Yeah, you're right. You should have been an abortion.
Iced said, September 05, 2014, 04:57:51 pmIf you are going to have a repeat performance of mocking people who are poorer than you and then avoid answering anything you shouldnt bother.Where do the concepts of Meritocracy and Inflation fit into whatever you're defending?Like Alexei said, there's no perfect solution that's going to benefit everyone. Hell, I think he worded my point of view the best.
Rajaa said, September 05, 2014, 05:20:31 pmWhy would a person have child if they're working full time on minimum wage? Sometimes people lose their well paying job and can't find another good one and are forced to work with what they have for their family.
Rajaa said, September 05, 2014, 05:20:31 pmdon't have children until you establish yourself.Because everybody knows that the tools and education to do that are available for everyone. Yeesh, these poor people, what do they learn in school, it's so easy.Oh, wait.
Iced said, September 05, 2014, 05:17:15 pmWhile thats true it doesnt justify economic based eugenics.Even someone who went through life with less school work deserves to live as long as they are willing to pull their weight around.Yes of course. I'm saying that it can backfire. Those who felt cheated for their hard work before won't anymore and those who didn't, might, because there are a lot of people who do little to no work and don't pull their weight who would then be rewarded by, for example, an increase to 15 dollars.
Rajaa said, September 05, 2014, 05:20:31 pmWhy would a person have child if they're working full time on minimum wage? If you're working minimum wage, don't have children until you establish yourself.One shouldn't be doomed to a life of slow starvation with no medical care at all simply for having a child. Or for merely existing and being dealt an extraordinarily shitty hand, like most of the world's population. Especially when there are such stupidly easy solutions to fix some of this stuff, to mitigate human suffering, solutions that have been proven extensively through multiple studies not to harm anyone. And one of those solutions is raising the minimum wage, which actually improves the economy and creates jobs.Niitris said, September 05, 2014, 05:20:22 pmWhile I do support a slight increase of minimal wage, it's off to think that all low-end laborers deserve to live decently because they have an occupation that anyone can do (at least not without a second job anyway).It's not about living decently, it's about being able to live at all. And people who work full time on minimum wage simply can't survive.
Protection doesn't always prevent child birth either. My kid was conceived while I was using protection and my wife as well =p
The fault belongs solely to you alone, and for that you have been consigned to work in the mines until your death!
Jmorphman said, September 05, 2014, 05:31:10 pmRajaa said, September 05, 2014, 05:20:31 pmWhy would a person have child if they're working full time on minimum wage? If you're working minimum wage, don't have children until you establish yourself.One shouldn't be doomed to a life of slow starvation with no medical care at all simply for having a child. Or for merely existing and being dealt an extraordinarily shitty hand, like most of the world's population. Especially when there are such stupidly easy solutions to fix some of this stuff, to mitigate human suffering, solutions that have been proven extensively through multiple studies not to harm anyone. And one of those solutions is raising the minimum wage, which actually improves the economy and creates jobs.Sources, so we can all believe in this Economics Magic World you're living in, please.You seem pretty convinced that the Classical Economic Theory that's been going around for the last couple of centuries is pure baloney, and that by everybody having more money all of a sudden solves all problems, when that's clearly not the case.
DKDC said, September 05, 2014, 05:34:15 pmAll the links he's been posting for a few posts.Like, seriously. I go to the trouble of finding this stuff and nobody reads them! >:[
Jmorphman said, September 05, 2014, 05:10:27 pmIt doesn't seem like price inflation is mentioned in these studies simply because it's not a big concern at all. These studies have all shown the Jmorphman said, September 05, 2014, 05:31:10 pm And people who work full time on minimum wage simply can't survive. No one wantsFinish your damn sentences!!!
It's proof that you are one of those people that sit back and try to skate by without trying to finish anything! You deserve less than minimum wage! You owe US!!!
Its not worth replying to walt, he literaly believes living in mexico and living in new york carries the same costs and people earning 7.25 should consider themselves lucky because that would make them rich in ethiopia, he has no fucking clue and he doesnt read other people's posts unless they are meant to cherry pick whatever fits his previously formed vision. case in point demanding sources for jmorphman irritantingly long posts full of links.about the discussion itself: Throwing poor people out to the dogs because "fuck them they are poor" doesnt fix shit.Denmark went through with their minimum wage shift years ago, by placing everyone that was willing to do a job ( they consider studying a job) with a living wage. If you get kids or whatever the minimum wage might not be enough, but everyone that is willing to work gets at least enough to live by.In Portugal fast food workers are paid € 565.83 a month.thats =734.252129 U.S. dollars Thats 4 bucks a hour. Thats not a lot, but thats enough to be able to hold a house via rent and feed yourself and everything properly. you can sustain yourself.The states are far richer,t hey can easily afford to pay more than seven bucks a hour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesRents outside of the city are about 1.500 dollars a month to rent ( 1 bedroom) paying someone 1200 dollars a month means they cant even afford housing. Get a couple together and maybe they can afford housing and food , but its still ridiculously low.Cities suck up resources, if the cost for living in a city is high so the cost to pay for the workers in that city should increase. unless everyone is planning on having a homeless faction of people that work like slaves for money enough to eat and little else.http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=United+States&city=New+York%2C+NY
Iced said, September 05, 2014, 05:43:37 pmjmorphman irritantingly long posts full of links.Hey buddy, fuck you!
