here are the titles of the upcoming videos.Damsel in Distress - Video #1The Fighting F#@k Toy - Video #2The Sexy Sidekick - Video #3The Sexy Villainess - Video #4Background Decoration - Video #5Voodoo Priestess/Tribal Sorceress - Video #6Women as Reward - Video #7Mrs. Male Character - Video #8Unattractive Equals Evil - Video #9Man with Boobs - Video #10Positive Female Characters! - Video #11Top 10 Most Common Defenses of Sexism in Games - Video #12i get the impression that only one of them will actually talk about the positive females in games, instead of sprinkling them into the other topics (she absolutely failed to do that in the first video). i'm sorry, but she's awful. i'm not a feminist because men can't be feminists. i often sympathize with the cause and one of my best friends is a raging feminist. i wish somebody else was doing this. she makes feminists look bad.
Those titles are horrid. What are they trying to prove with this again?One of those titles imply that women that act unwomanly arent woman at all.Ugly woman are villains? Geez, ugly men are villains too what is this even
Titiln said, March 10, 2013, 11:31:11 pmi'm not a feminist because men can't be feminists.Yes they can!Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:34:25 pmOne of those titles imply that women that act unwomanly arent woman at all.Ugly woman are villains? Geez, ugly men are villains too what is this evenI think you're reading too deeply into things.
They are GAMES, for entertainment. Both men AND women are usually exaggerated characters in entertainment.
I think its you that arent readng deeply at all.the "man with boobs" trope is about how samus isnt a "real woman" because she doesnt act like one."The Toronto Star argued that the sexual politics surrounding Samus and the Metroid series needed to stop, as they considered it unwarranted. They remarked that although Samus is female, it is not a significant characteristic after considering the fact that she spends most of her time in a suit of armor that 'precludes creepy ogling'. The newspaper believed that the 'big crazy shock to the gaming public' that followed after Metroid revealed that Samus is female was 'some seriously misspent energy [...] Metroid Prime's heroine is not a woman for the benefit of the sweaty/excited crowd, and neither is she a standard-bearer nor a courageous leader in the struggle for video game civil rights. She is a supremely talented action figure, and in the closeups on her helmet you can kind of see that she wears mascara, but that is all.' Rupert Goodwins of The Independent wrote, 'Samus Aran [...] is apparently female, although the Transformer-like suit she wears could just as easily contain a large centipede; it's hardly a breakthrough for feminism.'" The portal protagonist is usually also accused of being a man with boobs.
Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:42:14 pmthe "man with boobs" trope is about how samus isnt a "real woman" because she doesnt act like one."The Toronto Star argued that the sexual politics surrounding Samus and the Metroid series needed to stop, as they considered it unwarranted. They remarked that although Samus is female, it is not a significant characteristic after considering the fact that she spends most of her time in a suit of armor that 'precludes creepy ogling'. The newspaper believed that the 'big crazy shock to the gaming public' that followed after Metroid revealed that Samus is female was 'some seriously misspent energy [...] Metroid Prime's heroine is not a woman for the benefit of the sweaty/excited crowd, and neither is she a standard-bearer nor a courageous leader in the struggle for video game civil rights. She is a supremely talented action figure, and in the closeups on her helmet you can kind of see that she wears mascara, but that is all.' Rupert Goodwins of The Independent wrote, 'Samus Aran [...] is apparently female, although the Transformer-like suit she wears could just as easily contain a large centipede; it's hardly a breakthrough for feminism.'"But that's the Toronto Star, not Anita SarkIdon'trememberherlastnameian. If she says the same thing in the video, then I'll join you in complaining about it. Because that's dumb.
Yeah, that's the one that got me, too.Video games are bad because women are treated how women were treated in the past (objects, property, etc)And then...Video games are bad because women are interchangeable with men and not 'womanly enough' to be 'real women'?What in the fuck, how do you win?Oversexualization is definitely a problem and we're FINALLY making some strides in seeing that go away (Ellie in The Last of Us anyone?) but a lot of the rest of this is bullshit.
The only possible way I could see it being a bad thing was if all female characters were like that, I guess.
Snakebyte said, March 10, 2013, 11:47:36 pmAt this point I genuinely don't understand how she wants women to be treated.Again, that wasn't the person behind the videos, it's from an article from the Toronto Sun from 2002.Titiln said, March 10, 2013, 11:49:51 pmThe Sexy Villainess - Video #4Unattractive Equals Evil - Video #9whyTROPES
Thats the actual trope Morph. Shes not going to make a video about a trope and then not use the trope."Oh I call it the same but i want it to mean something else."Its a trope that complains that women should be treated as equals but when they are in a way that makes them umcomfortable you bitch about them not being female enough. You know who fits in there? pretty much every female character that isnt from a rpg. Samus, chell, chun li, the girl from golden axe, the girl from mirror edge, anyone that isnt outspoken about their femeninity. Anyone that is a tomboy, or does manly things. You cant limit characters like that, there is something profoundly wrong about saying "well thats not a "REAL" woman."Also jm you are pretty bad at understanding basic shit.Titiln is not asking why those are tropes, he is asking why would anyone sane cover both. Its complaining of both . "Oh shes a villain so they had to make her hot!" "Oh shes a villain so they had to make her ugly!" it shows an unability to figure out whats better from their point of view when they complain about everything anyway.
Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:53:17 pmAlso jm you are pretty bad at understanding basic shit.EPIC THIS
Yeah, I know, but I don't know what the hell else 'Man with Boobs' could possibly be.But I see the point there. You don't see unattractive female heroes, ever, and you see tons of warty witches and things. And tons of villainesses wear much less than their heroic counterparts. I don't think that's necessarily a problem... Associating lust-gone-wild with evil goes a lot deeper than anything to do with discriminating against women. And no one really wants to look at ugly people the entire time they're playing a game. I think she's trying to point out that there isn't a middle ground between 'warty old hag' and 'almost nude beauty' for evil females and that might be somewhat valid.
Snakebyte said, March 10, 2013, 11:54:57 pmYeah, I know, but I don't know what the hell else 'Man with Boobs' could possibly be.Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:42:14 pmthe "man with boobs" trope is about how samus isnt a "real woman" because she doesnt act like one."The Toronto Star argued that the sexual politics surrounding Samus and the Metroid series needed to stop, as they considered it unwarranted. They remarked that although Samus is female, it is not a significant characteristic after considering the fact that she spends most of her time in a suit of armor that 'precludes creepy ogling'. The newspaper believed that the 'big crazy shock to the gaming public' that followed after Metroid revealed that Samus is female was 'some seriously misspent energy [...] Metroid Prime's heroine is not a woman for the benefit of the sweaty/excited crowd, and neither is she a standard-bearer nor a courageous leader in the struggle for video game civil rights. She is a supremely talented action figure, and in the closeups on her helmet you can kind of see that she wears mascara, but that is all.' Rupert Goodwins of The Independent wrote, 'Samus Aran [...] is apparently female, although the Transformer-like suit she wears could just as easily contain a large centipede; it's hardly a breakthrough for feminism.'" The portal protagonist is usually also accused of being a man with boobs.do you even read?
Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:53:17 pmThats the actual trope Morph. Shes not going to make a video about a trope and then not use the trope."Oh I call it the same but i want it to mean something else."She could use it as a launching point, exploring whether it holds any merit, and showing examples to support her argument. Of course, given the first video, it seems pretty unlikely, but I'm not going to rule it out.Iced said, March 10, 2013, 11:53:17 pmAlso jm you are pretty bad at understanding basic shit.Titiln is not asking why those are tropesThat was a joke. Jesus fucking Christ. :|
Yes? I was responding to Jmorphman, who was trying to tell me that was the Toronto Star, and not Anita, yet?Do YOU even read?EDIT: And yeah Jmorph was joking there.
Snakebyte said, March 10, 2013, 09:57:25 pmWhy is everyone focusing on cats when there were multiple examples of non-harmful gender stereotypes given?That rant about rape on the previous page makes no sense at all. Don't blame insane people on the media, or try to say that some aspects of human behaviour should be kept out of fiction.Actually, if you read it, it wasn't a rant. And you can't talk about feminism without talking about rape anyway. My post didn't mention the media at all and the only thing about a game in that paragraph is to say that it's ridiculous that one could say that a game that casually incorporates rape into it is not a product of the problem in the cultures. Nowhere in my post did I say that the product was good or bad or representative of anything besides the culture that demeans women. If you're gonna respond to my post, at least quote it and read it, and ask me if you're unsure about something.Snakebyte said, March 10, 2013, 10:02:42 pmThe first thing Jmorphman said on the subject was 'Stereotypes are by definition harmful'. At the top of the last page he said 'And gender stereotypes are harmful. So are racist stereotypes. [...] stereotypes are by definition harmful because they take away someone's very personhood,' and he claimed that every non-harmful gender stereotype that was brought up was not a stereotype. Rajaa seemed to be agreeing with him.I agree with what you just said completely and expressing that is my sole purpose in posting in this thread.My point was that comparing harmful stereotypes to some generalizations about cats is ridiculous. The topic is about those harmful stereotypes that are attributes of larger concepts such as racism and misogyny. A cat being a lonewolf and fending for itself has nothing to do with thousands of people who have imbedded hate for women. There is no large group of people that oppress cats for being cats or treats cats differently for being who they are. Your cat example was one of the most ridiculous things to come out of this discussion.@Iced:I agree, some people will put all other living organisms on the same level of humans, but, if it wasn't clear, my point was that cats are not victims of horrible discrimination that gets them relentless targeted for acts of violence.Also. She just got a bunch of money from people: she is now going to throw out some useless drivel for the masses, then she will proceed to enjoy her massive amount of funds. Thanks, internet, for validating exploitative people like this.
