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Feminist study of games (Read 52807 times)

Started by Iced, March 09, 2013, 06:48:21 pm
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#81  March 10, 2013, 08:57:20 pm
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#82  March 10, 2013, 08:59:35 pm
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why? people recording themselves playing a game is such a common practice these days that you can watch an entire game through youtube
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#83  March 10, 2013, 09:00:56 pm
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It seems odd to me to try and speak about a game without actually playing it.
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#84  March 10, 2013, 09:04:48 pm
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isnt she already doing that with half of those games?
Do you really think she played donkey kong remake and double dragon 1?
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#85  March 10, 2013, 09:06:08 pm
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I dunno, I'm not her. But I'd rather have her play some rather than none.
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#86  March 10, 2013, 09:06:46 pm
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the first game she talks about was a game that was severely retooled and that she did not play in its original form
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#87  March 10, 2013, 09:08:58 pm
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It seems odd to me to try and speak about a game without actually playing it.
But she does not focus on gameplay, but rather on the characters, story and how they are related to the problems she brings up. You can get a perfectly good idea of those things without needing to buy and play the game yourself.

Im just saying the the having to get her hands on these games as research material is not really sensible. Even less so asking people online to give her the money to do it.

Yeah, that works.

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#88  March 10, 2013, 09:11:24 pm
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the first game she talks about was a game that was severely retooled and that she did not play in its original form
And Krystal wasn't even the main character, and ends up trapped anyway. The video is pretty flawed.

But she does not focus on gameplay, but rather on the characters, story and how they are related to the problems she brings up. You can get a perfectly good idea of those things without needing to buy and play the game yourself.
It just seems weird to me to skip out on playing the games, it seems like the equivalent would be like if someone was examining movie tropes involving women but didn't watch any of the movies and merely read summaries on them.

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#89  March 10, 2013, 09:14:10 pm
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It just seems weird to me to skip out on playing the games, it seems like the equivalent would be like if someone was examining movie tropes involving women but didn't watch any of the movies and merely read summaries on them.
again, the first game she mentions was never playable
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#90  March 10, 2013, 09:16:43 pm
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again, the first game she mentions was never playable
I know. If she can't play it I don't think she should be barred from commenting on it (but she got it wrong anyway so uh I dunno she needs to do more research), but if the game is publicly available, playing it is better than not playing it.
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#91  March 10, 2013, 09:24:30 pm
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#92  March 10, 2013, 09:27:20 pm
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almost her whole review was based on snes era nintendo games, those stacks of games she bought are all xbox wii and ps3, not even ps2.
The next video is about modern games, so I would think that video would feature those games. This is a series of videos, not just a one off, so I don't find it odd that she's not showing off every single game she bought.
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#93  March 10, 2013, 09:27:36 pm
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Girl - I want a pile of money and video games.  Maybe I'll ask the internet, and tell 'em it's for research.

Internet - You're hawt.  Here's 26 times the absurd amount of money you asked for.  How did you like the games?  And the new house, car and manager?

Girl - bla bla bla

Internet - I find your interpretations of gender and sex in video games interesting enough to write a wall of text.  Please find me and fuck me.  What other castle?


Yeah, that just happened.
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#94  March 10, 2013, 09:48:10 pm
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its bad practice to assume white knighting just because she is a woman. More likely people that use the internet let themselves be defined by traits that are not really defining traits most of the time.

those include being feminists and gaming, so they are willing to throw money at something that recognizes and validates their interests.
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#95  March 10, 2013, 09:57:25 pm
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Why is everyone focusing on cats when there were multiple examples of non-harmful gender stereotypes given?

That rant about rape on the previous page makes no sense at all. Don't blame insane people on the media, or try to say that some aspects of human behaviour should be kept out of fiction.
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#96  March 10, 2013, 10:00:29 pm
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stereotypes are part of narratives, they even serve to be twisted around, there is no one insisting that normal stereotypes are harmful. ( maybe jmorphman is, i dunno i didnt read the long arguments you two had over grammar ) .
racial and gender stereotypes can be harmful ( doesnt mean they have to, but they can ) in that dumber people tend to remove personal traits from anything they can stereotype instead.

And cats are the superior species.
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#97  March 10, 2013, 10:02:42 pm
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The first thing Jmorphman said on the subject was 'Stereotypes are by definition harmful'. At the top of the last page he said 'And gender stereotypes are harmful. So are racist stereotypes. [...] stereotypes are by definition harmful because they take away someone's very personhood,' and he claimed that every non-harmful gender stereotype that was brought up was not a stereotype. Rajaa seemed to be agreeing with him.

I agree with what you just said completely and expressing that is my sole purpose in posting in this thread.
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#98  March 10, 2013, 10:08:18 pm
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Why is everyone focusing on cats when there were multiple examples of non-harmful gender stereotypes given?
Funny, I don't remember any. I remember some things that were proclaimed to be stereotypes, but weren't actually stereotypes.

But I've said my two cents on the matter pretty thoroughly so I don't really have anything more to add.
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#99  March 10, 2013, 10:09:25 pm
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Yeah, we've already established that claiming things that meet the dictionary definition but not your unsupported definition are not in fact those things is a bullshit way to argue.
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#100  March 10, 2013, 10:11:05 pm
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non-harmful gender stereotype that was brought up was not a stereotype. Rajaa seemed to be agreeing with him.
Rajaa seemed to me to be explaining how stereotypes can be harmful, which they can, not saying that they shouldnt be used in narrative.