Caddie said, December 05, 2014, 03:45:08 amI guarantee you the reason he's free is because of the witness that claimed Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman.I understand that, but the prosecution should have been able to drive home the point that even if Trayvon had been on top of him, Trayvon would reasonably have done so while intending to defend himself because Zimmerman was clearly following him as Trayvon mentioned in the phone call to his friend.Take these scenarios:- A person follows you in a city for about half an hour and you know they're following you. You duck behind buildings and that person keeps tailing you. You shoot that stranger precisely because you fear for your life and have no idea why that person has been following you. A jury could reasonably find you not guilty precisely because that person was following you making you fear for your life.- A person follows you for 20 minutes and you know they're following you. You hide behind a pillar and the pursuit continues. You eventually stand off with then fight the the person following you. If you're arrested and charged with assault you could reasonably be acquitted because the person was following you making you fear for your life.The added element that makes Trayvon's case so bad is that, He was visiting his step-dad who lived there, Trayvon was extremely familiar with the neighborhood and had been there many times before, to which I'm like come on!
Protests continue nationwide; the Brooklyn Bridge was completely shut down at one point. Here are some pics.
GentleOne said, December 05, 2014, 03:56:51 amCaddie said, December 05, 2014, 03:45:08 amI guarantee you the reason he's free is because of the witness that claimed Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman.I understand that, but the prosecution should have been able to drive home the point that even if Trayvon had been on top of him, Trayvon would reasonably have done so while intending to defend himself because Zimmerman was clearly following him as Trayvon mentioned in the phone call to his friend.Take these scenarios:- A person follows you in a city for about half an hour and you know they're following you. You duck behind buildings and that person keeps tailing you. You shoot that stranger precisely because you fear for your life and have no idea why that person has been following you. A jury could reasonably find you not guilty precisely because that person was following you making you fear for your life.- A person follows you for 20 minutes and you know they're following you. You hide behind a pillar and the pursuit continues. You eventually stand off with then fight the the person following you. If you're arrested and charged with assault you could reasonably be acquitted because the person was following you making you fear for your life.The added element that makes Trayvon's case so bad is that, He was visiting his step-dad who lived there, Trayvon was extremely familiar with the neighborhood and had been there many times before, to which I'm like come on!you know I live in a country where that is very likely to happen/has already happened to me and I run the fuck out if I suspect someone is following me; first step is just to cahgne from my suual walk routes, if the person is still following me I run fast, that either makes it really obvious that the other person is following me or the person is just left behind.
This happened in 2013, but has been making the rounds of social media lately"Ethan, who had Down syndrome, enjoyed the film so much that he decided to go back to his seat for a second showing while his aide went to get the car to take them home. When he refused to buy another $12 ticket, off-duty police moonlighting as security guards allegedly tackled him in an attempt to eject him from his seat.An hour later, the young man was dead from "asphyxiation by homicide," according to the medical examiner's report.The case went to a grand jury, which declined to indict the three sheriff's officers involved in the Jan. 12 incident, according to the Washington Post.Saylor said when the mall officers pulled Ethan from his seat he panicked and then screamed for his mother.When the aide, whom Saylor would not identify, returned to witness the police asking Ethan to buy a ticket or leave, she told them he didn't like to be touched and would "freak out." The family alleges officers ignored her pleas as Ethan was handcuffed and dropped to the floor, then stopped breathing." source
Umezono said, December 04, 2014, 08:23:24 pmmore than overkill, more like a heinous cold blooded murder. killing people isnt part of their job description of protecting and servingPolice nowadays don't protect and serve, they neglect and swerve. They enforce laws--that's it.
To put this in perspective for anyone who thinks that officers automatically act rationally, understand that most police forces are made up of people who didn't necessarily do very well in school. When you actually go into police stations, especially in densely populated areas, this fact becomes all the more clear, minus the fact that those stations and the conditions officers have to work in while there tend to be ridiculously shitty.Anyway, I guess that some people assume that officers are automatically right because they're a group? Tea Partiers are also a widespread group and in Nazi Germany people were educated about what to believe was good and were told that the people getting arrested by their officers were detained on the basis of their crimes when that wasn't true. Much of the time American police forces are made up of people who, when given an ounce of power, go way overboard.
RyoSazaki said, December 07, 2014, 06:51:22 pmTo put this in perspective for anyone who thinks that officers automatically act rationally, understand that most police forces are made up of people who didn't necessarily do very well in school. Much of the time American police forces are made up of people who, when given an ounce of power, go way overboard.+1
I like how you only +1'ed part of the post and left out the part about cops being comparable to Nazis.Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go practice my Hitler walk.
Jango Hakamichi said, December 08, 2014, 12:28:13 amand left out the part about cops being comparable to Nazis.Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go practice my Hitler walk.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPxBjIuNItoNot sure whether this is an innocent misinterpretation or a deliberate misrepresentation.Just to clarify, I was providing examples for why those who presume that police officers are innocent, or believe that people in groups are always right, need to understand that the same thought process was applied by those who "innocently" believed that Nazi officers were arresting people because they had broken laws. Before you argue, know that in the initial phases of the Final Solution some Jews surrendered their own kind presuming that the authorities were detaining and "questioning" them for having committed crimes. Long story short, don't presume that the officers are automatically right to use such overwhelming/deadly force.VAmen Xan. I agree.
RyoSazaki said, December 07, 2014, 06:51:22 pmMuch of the time American police forces are made up of people who, when given an ounce of power, go way overboard.The same applies to nearly anybody in any position of power. Power goes to peoples' heads, whether they were reasonable beforehand or not. It's human nature, and it's far more broad than is being stated here.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-florida-police-shooting-20141208-story.htmlhands up and surrounded by religious leadersshot because he was acting furtive
I actually did not know what furtive meant so upon looking it up* done in a quiet and secret way to avoid being noticed* done by stealth* obtained underhandedly....You know what forget it the guy ain't getting charged anyways
Iced said, December 09, 2014, 06:31:53 pmhands up and surrounded by religious leadersshot because he was acting furtiveYou misread the article. The sheriff holding the press conference was surrounded by religious leaders. The guy who was shot was in a stolen vehicle and is still alive.
Caddie said, December 09, 2014, 08:14:17 pmIced said, December 09, 2014, 06:31:53 pmhands up and surrounded by religious leadersshot because he was acting furtiveYou misread the article. The sheriff holding the press conference was surrounded by religious leaders. The guy who was shot was in a stolen vehicle and is still alive.you are right, my bad!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/police-aggressively-questioned-girlfriend-of-african-american-man-gunned-down-by-cop-in-walmart/Gunned down for carrying a Toy gun.In a walmart.While carrying it to the checkout to buy it.In an open carry state.
And it was protested soon after:“We came here armed. We are proponents of open-carry. This case is clearly a case related to open carry. Maybe John Crawford wasn’t carrying a real firearm but he was carrying what seemed to be a real firearm, and the over-reaction of the police in this instance is completely outrageous,” Virgil Vadura told WDTN.Source
America's "how much shooting another human being can we get away with" social experiment sure is delivering some interesting results.I, for one, am absolutely stoked not being a part of it.
Yeah, you're not Black, no worry.MissB said, December 15, 2014, 07:22:08 pmOh ? If the gun lobby actually joins in this fight, maybe some surprises will happen...
DKDC said, December 15, 2014, 07:55:15 pmYeah, you're not Black, no worry.Quotea cop just killed my GTA5 character even though he's white. anyone else experiencing this bug?
