Every fighting game ( and in a sense most games) uses stereotypes to creat fast recognition of the characters avaliable.But how far does it go where it goes from a fun character to something offensive?SF2american soldier in guilesavage amazon beast in blankasumo wrestler in hondachinese dress girl in chunlicurry powered holyman in DhalsimetcThose are loved characters, they managed to keep the theme of what they were based on but to be more than just what they were meant to represent.then you have stuff like this:http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/ultimate-gay-fighter-155234.0.htmlWhere every "theme" used is reduced to an insultive parody of whatever the theme was, in this case using sexist themes and reducing the characters ( and themes) to jokes.What about it? Talk about themes and stereotypes you enjoy in games versus those you dont enjoy in games.Maybe even list the themes of the fighters on your favorites.
Does the "Bruce Lee" character qualify?Like Feilong, Marshall and Forrest Law, Dragon, Jann Lee, etc?
nah you're thinking archetypein this instance stereotype refers to black belligerent boxer who is a criminal, perpetually broke and only cares about money balrog/mike bison, who went from looking like his namesake to looking and acting like a goddamn minstrel characterthats what this topic covers
You can also talk about archetypes if you want, but they are oftenly not prone to have negative qualities that can be abused.Some characters cover both archetypes and stereotypes.
If you're Spaniard, then you MUST be a torero. Or something related. Or still living in the XVII Century, as if you were in Hogwarts.(This doesn't apply to Falcon, who appeared in a beat'em up game...he's a baddass samurai!)
Punch Out! made an excellent use of stereotypes.One can say that most of them are "offensive", but they added a much needed personality and a way to distinguish each boxer in a game that had little to no space for background stories.I love when stereotypes are used properly like this. Makes the characters easier to understand, relate to and love.
Brazillians..they are automatically Capoeira experts ..except Blanka of course while there are a few more martial arts styles popular there like vale tudo and recently jiu jitsuAnd we Germans are automatically somewhat evil in fighting games (Leo from Tekken being one of the very few exceptions)
Stereotypes are far from a bad thing; they exist for a reason don't they? While obviously everyone has different degrees of sensitivity, some do push the envelope a bit far... that said, not every character should be politically correct anyway (that would be boring).Stereotyping is only a problem when an game does this to most or all characters but lacks versatility and taste in doing so (lol Gay Fighter). I know quite a few gay people... while they're not the shining definition of masculinity, they're far from what I saw in that crap video. Street Fighter (Punch Out was a good example too) makes this work because of the versatility of stereotypes they use, making for a more well-rounded game.
Niitris said, November 25, 2013, 02:56:44 pmStereotypes are far from a bad thing; they exist for a reason don't they? While obviously everyone has different degrees of sensitivity, some do push the envelope a bit far... that said, not every character should be politically correct anyway (that would be boring).You can have stereotyping and reductive stereotyping. refusing to make a character have negative qualities due to their sexual orientation or race /origin might be as bad as the opposite. Characters should be characters before being dictated only by their stereotypes. I tihnk that Darkstalkers did this pretty well ( even tho the archetypes and stereotypes it uses are from fiction) by making the characters personalities subvert their archetypes.
Being American automatically means you speak with some of worse engrish conceivableTerry, Geese, Galford are good examples.
likely a limitation of them being japanese creators and only having japanese voice actors.I found funnier that the guilty gear english speaking ninja tried to speak japanese by screaming food names."SUKYAKI!"
"English Gentlemen"Dudley, Eagle"Bad-ass Biker"Hwoarang, K'"French effeminate men"Remy, Ash"Megalomaniac who believes he's a god"Gill, Igniz
At least most of your countries are represented somehow. Any character from South America is always automatically from Brazil so none of our other countries around here are ever represented I liked how SF represented Brazil, their country of origin didn't affect the character that much (Blanka's english is 100 times better than any guy from Brazil I've played an online game with).
I dunno how much of this has been explored in various back stories and what not, but Blanka doesn't really seem like he's Brazilian. His plane just happened to crash there. I mean, it's certainly possible that an English speaking white guy whose name is Jimmy is Brazilian, but... seems more like a Tarzan type scenario.Nero D. said, November 25, 2013, 12:53:38 pmnah you're thinking archetypeI agree.Whenever people talk about SF being about stereotypes, they're totally wrong. It's about archetypes, not stereotypes. The wandering karate master isn't a stereotype; it's an archetype, and so on. Street Fighter is all about taking archetypes of characters, boiling them down to their essence, and tweaking it. It gives a sense of purity to the characters; of simplified elegance. Not that it applies to every character, just a lot of them.Niitris said, November 25, 2013, 02:56:44 pmStereotypes are far from a bad thing; they exist for a reason don't they?That reason is ignorance used to justify reductive thinking. Not exactly the best thing to base characters on.
-Red- said, November 25, 2013, 05:59:51 pmAny character from South America is always automatically from Brazil so none of our other countries around here are ever represented That "jaguar" guy from Kakuto Chojin was argentiiiiiinian. Also, one ofthe guys of Iron Muscle/Slam Masters was South American too. Eddie(from Double Dragon is Venezuelan, as Foxy, from KoF).Also, forgot: Kakuto Chojin has "two" Spaniards: Vittoria(name in Italian? LOLOLOL!! and is supposed that her long lost brother is Shadow(that badass ninja from the same game).
I don't know, you can have stereotypes in a positive light, make something that is typical desirable.
Cazaki said, November 25, 2013, 06:51:26 pmI don't know, you can have stereotypes in a positive light, make something that is typical desirable.... not really?
All depends on how things are used. Water isn't a bad thing. Water is bad when it's thrown onto electrical currents. Stereotypes can be used to repel or offend people (the more common occurrence)... or they can be used to relate to a particular group of people (and even used in a positive way).Common English stereotypes is that they are all proper, they all drink tea, and they all have bad teeth. Dudley is all of this (minus the bad teeth)... I haven't seen people say that he's offensive.Idk, maybe my definition of the word is wrong or something (I always thought it meant cliche). I definitely didn't phrase that right; of course stereotypes are a bad thing if used improperly. I do agree with Iced on that characterization should come first and everything else afterwards.
Cliches and stereotypes are pretty different. Dudley's tea drinking fanciness is cliched behavior; he's not a stereotype.
One positive stereotype is that American guys are all John Rambo-esque action heroes with big bulging muscles and overall badassery.What say you?
Still reductive, still based in ignorance.Stereotypes are cheap shortcuts, signs of bad writing. You gotta be creative and come up with something more!
Jmorphman said, November 25, 2013, 07:05:25 pmCliches and stereotypes are pretty different. Dudley's tea drinking fanciness is cliched behavior; he's not a stereotype.Uh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.The British ARE stereotyped like that.
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 07:15:22 pmUh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.The British ARE stereotyped like that.Except Birdie, which is another british stereotype: punks. A same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatAlso, the martial art style is itself a stereotype depends of the country, like China (Kung Fu), Japan (Karate, Kendo), Brazil (Capoeira), Korea (Taekwondo), Mexico (Lucha Libre) and so onAnd Red is right, for Japan and USA, Latin America is Mexico, Brazil and very uncommonly Argentina. The others countries aren't mentioned except in some very specific cases and not much (like Foxy). Also, all in Latin America were represented as indians who live in huts and shacks
african american = a boxer or a basketball/sports man.korean = taekwondo and only have a kick special and supers.and in every anime or games, characters from my country are portrayed as innocent teenage girl or a loli with magical nature powers or a prostitute. the only one who broke this stereotype is DOA. which they created a big armored chick called spartan 458.
In a beginning yes, but they were teached TKD by Kim Kaphwan, so yeah, they enter in the stereotype since they share a couple of his moves
lol we already had this discussion a few months ago, I remember raja complaining that an asian beat him to getting a job because the itnerviewers though the asian was better at school than raja.
but it's stereotypes, indians don't count as asians , only people tfrom the SEA do, even though the people who separate them like that don't know what the SEA is.
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 07:15:22 pmUh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.If Dudley was nothing more than a tea drinking fancy pants, then sure. But he's not. To me, that makes him not a stereotype.but this is all becoming pretty pedantic and off topic.maximilianjenus said, November 25, 2013, 08:23:35 pmbut it's stereotypes, indians don't count as asians , only people tfrom the SEA do, even though the people who separate them like that don't know what the SEA is.I know what the sea is, it's a large body of water! Duh!
Just because he has some non-stereotypical traits doesn't mean he's not a stereotype. He's just not a full stereotype.
You guys are talking tropes archetypes andcliches. Not stereotypes. Being Japanese and doing karate is not a stereotype. :(V)Also Indians are considered Asian in the admission process. Asians actually have worse chances with afgirmative action than blacks and hispanics
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 08:43:24 pmJust because he has some non-stereotypical traits doesn't mean he's not a stereotype. He's just not a full stereotype. Enjoying tea and being British does not make one a stereotype. If that was literally the only thing about him, then maybe. But he's not a stereotype, he's a fleshed out character.
he is a stereotype ontop which was built a neat character adhering to the archetypes of classic boxing. Stereotypes arent evil by existing, they are bad when used to reduce someone to only one thing D: Or more to the point stereotypes are a valid tool in story building they just arent meant to be used alone without any sprucing up from the authors/writers. Even stereotype subversion is okay.Like the innocent little girl stereotype character that is actually a crazy fuck, or the educated british gentleman that is also obsessed with drinking tea while wearing boxing gloves.Then again the archetype thing might be more on the nose
But I would say those aren't stereotypes anymore then!!!and those examples really are more archetypes than stereotypes
then I present the idea that stereotypes are building material, and using only stereotypes usually doesnt leave you with good results.
Umezono said, November 25, 2013, 08:56:24 pmBeing Japanese and doing karate is not a stereotype. :(V)I take it you've never met a foreigner who believes all us Asians are martial artists? Because they're are a lot of them.Jmorphman said, November 25, 2013, 09:04:45 pmCapt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 08:43:24 pmJust because he has some non-stereotypical traits doesn't mean he's not a stereotype. He's just not a full stereotype. Enjoying tea and being British does not make one a stereotype. If that was literally the only thing about him, then maybe. But he's not a stereotype, he's a fleshed out character.He has a stuffy British accent. He acts like a gentlemen. He has a mansion. He drinks tea. He has a butler that serves him tea. Everything else about him doesn't really have anything to do with him being presented as a British stereotype.Really the difference between stereotypes and archetypes is that stereotypes are what people IRL believe about other people. Archetypes are kinds of characters that are used in media.Tsundere is an archetype for example.
After 3 pages I´m way too confused. Difference between archetype and stereotype?? I´m not getting it what is what
Me either... I don't like discussing technicalities unless it's scientific. I just dropped it.I wouldn't consider being Japanese and doing karate a stereotype (by itself).Being Japanese, doing karate, and having all the traits of the "typical" karate-ka is.
I think Mgbnz made the best definition about those 2 terms. In the case of japanese karateka, I think it's a stereotype and an archetype at the same time. Mainly because of Ryu, if you ask me
That's why I said "japanese karateka" instead "all japanese are karateka", as I said before:Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 07:27:03 pmA same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know that
that in itself is not a stereotype because in a fighting game, everyone will know a "martial art" i quoted that because there will be characters who use no style at all (ie street fighting, dirty fighting, etc)now, in other games and media, there will be asians who dont know martial arts at all, its either all or nothing really when it comes to martial arts and a medium with(out) a martial arts theme will be mostly dependent on that most of the time
okay actual examplefat stereotypesBobpretty good, strange story and all , a fighter that is trying to find the perfect balance of weight and speedhe fights in hawaiian shirts and or sentai outfitsRufuswhat the fuck were they thinking, his main bio is that he is a fat biker from america and his favorite food is popcornHe fights in open shirts and his belly flops about all over the place
Nero D. said, November 25, 2013, 11:28:15 pmthat in itself is not a stereotype because in a fighting game, everyone will know a "martial art" melty blood
I think my favorite stereotype character is Mr. Jones, mostly because they fucked it up.He's a black dude with an afro and sunglasses, and his theme song has a 70's style beat, and he's always talking about geting funky. The designers changed their mind halfway through and gave him a Bruce Lee track suit and made his movelist be based on Jeet Kun Do.He's a two-in-one!
that's because he is made in mexico, most likely he is based on abdul jabar (?) as back then they loved airing bruce lee biography movies on public tv.
Oh please, I call bias. Rufus is a very cool character. Don't tell me a fat biker who's clearly not really a loser (Hot girlfriend, his target is Ken, top fighter of his country), who talks waaaaay too much and learned freaking Kung Fu by just watching movies is not a badass character. He doesn't even have many moves that depend of his belly unlike many other fat characters.
Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 10:52:35 pmThat's why I said "japanese karateka" instead "all japanese are karateka", as I said before:Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 07:27:03 pmA same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatI don't think you really understand what a stereotype is. Calling things like "punk" a stereotype for Britain is wrong. A stereotype for Britain would be somebody with bad teeth. Likewise it is not a stereotype to make Ryu do karate when he is Japanese. It would be a stereotype to make him pronounce words like "ronery" and make huim like idk, really good at math and nerdy.Stereotypes are usually things with negative connotations based on large groups of people.
-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 12:57:31 amOh please, I call bias. Rufus is a very cool character. Don't tell me a fat biker who's clearly not really a loser (Hot girlfriend, his target is Ken, top fighter of his country), who talks waaaaay too much and learned freaking Kung Fu by just watching movies is not a badass character. He doesn't even have many moves that depend of his belly unlike many other fat characters.thats because unlike other characters being fat isnt really a part of his character (jiggling fucking belly and being fat aside)hes a fat biker whos clearly not really a loser with a hot girlfriend and a target in ken, the top fighter in the country who talks way too much and learned freaking kung fu by just watching movies, who just happens to be fatfor no reason other than to have a legit fat character to be fat
Umezono said, November 26, 2013, 01:03:54 amBasara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 10:52:35 pmThat's why I said "japanese karateka" instead "all japanese are karateka", as I said before:Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 07:27:03 pmA same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatI don't think you really understand what a stereotype is. Calling things like "punk" a stereotype for Britain is wrong. A stereotype for Britain would be somebody with bad teeth. Likewise it is not a stereotype to make Ryu do karate when he is Japanese. It would be a stereotype to make him pronounce words like "ronery" and make huim like idk, really good at math and nerdy.Stereotypes are usually things with negative connotations based on large groups of people.Not all stereotypes are negative, like the usual "asian people are smarter" one or "this guy is black so he probably knows how to play basketball very well".
-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 01:06:39 amUmezono said, November 26, 2013, 01:03:54 amBasara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 10:52:35 pmThat's why I said "japanese karateka" instead "all japanese are karateka", as I said before:Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 07:27:03 pmA same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatI don't think you really understand what a stereotype is. Calling things like "punk" a stereotype for Britain is wrong. A stereotype for Britain would be somebody with bad teeth. Likewise it is not a stereotype to make Ryu do karate when he is Japanese. It would be a stereotype to make him pronounce words like "ronery" and make huim like idk, really good at math and nerdy.Stereotypes are usually things with negative connotations based on large groups of people.Not all stereotypes are negative, like the usual "asian people are smarter" one or "this guy is black so he probably knows how to play basketball very well".A stereotype that gives someone a "positive" quality is still reducing them. It implies the only reason you have those skills is because you are part of that group.I still think rufus is a bad stereotype, having a hot girlfriend and being a fighter are kinda window dressing, they could have kept the exact same moveset and "hot girlfriend" without a comical big bouncing belly and made him King Kobra like he was originally going to be and he would have been a more rounded up character.They made him fat because they thought it was funny and then made all his costumes work around the exposed giant belly.
And still nobody mentioned the USA Sports Team, with Lucky Glauber (black people are so good at dribbling basketballs that they developed a martial art using it), Heavy D (Okay he's not too bad, but he's PATRIOTIC AS FUCK judging by his tattoo on his back), and Briaaaaaaaaaan Battler (Big stupid white football player who likes tackling people for no reason)Doesn't sound too bad until you realize that every time a new team enters KOF, they do it by beating up the USA Sports Team and stealing their invitations. So not only are they caricatures, but they also suck at fighting too. But I guess that's to be expected if you fight by throwing basketballs.
Iced said, November 26, 2013, 01:38:07 amA stereotype that gives someone a "positive" quality is still reducing them. It implies the only reason you have those skills is because you are part of that group.Stereotypes about groups of people are bad, even though they're related to good skills so yeah.Iced said, November 26, 2013, 01:38:07 amI still think rufus is a bad stereotype, having a hot girlfriend and being a fighter are kinda window dressing, they could have kept the exact same moveset and "hot girlfriend" without a comical big bouncing belly and made him King Kobra like he was originally going to be and he would have been a more rounded up character.What you just said here can be applied to every fictitious character ever. Every character ever made is literally a stereotype-based character with other stuff thrown in together to make the stereotype less apparent. Silver Surfer is the typical California surfer guy stereotype, they just painted him silver and made him surfer through galaxies looking for planets to give to his master Galactus instead of surfing on beaches.How Rufus was going to be like is irrelevant, we don't even know what other stereotypes his original design followed so we can't say it was better.Iced said, November 26, 2013, 01:38:07 amThey made him fat because they thought it was funny and then made all his costumes work around the exposed giant belly.Every part of the character is important, Rufus is not funny just because he's fat, he's funny because of his personality, the way he talks, his weird Kung Fu style, his overdramatic moves with overdramatic names, his silly long stories, his lack of situation awareness. Rufus with Seth's personality would not look funny at all. Oh, and the chinese zombie costume doesn't expose Rufus' belly at all.You add a fat charismatic character, you get people who'll complain about that, you instead decide to keep him slim, you'll get people who will complain about the game having no fat characters.
Basara Kusanagi said, November 25, 2013, 07:27:03 pmCapt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 07:15:22 pmUh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.The British ARE stereotyped like that.Except Birdie, which is another british stereotype: punks. A same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatI believe the the Chavs would like a word with you.Except that Birdie's black, but you get the idea.
Imposter Mickey Mouse said, November 26, 2013, 01:53:05 amAnd still nobody mentioned the USA Sports Team, with Lucky Glauber (black people are so good at dribbling basketballs that they developed a martial art using it), Heavy D (Okay he's not too bad, but he's PATRIOTIC AS FUCK judging by his tattoo on his back), and Briaaaaaaaaaan Battler (Big stupid white football player who likes tackling people for no reason)Doesn't sound too bad until you realize that every time a new team enters KOF, they do it by beating up the USA Sports Team and stealing their invitations. So not only are they caricatures, but they also suck at fighting too. But I guess that's to be expected if you fight by throwing basketballs.then agian they are always beaten by strong fighters, iirc oen time it was ramon, which might be part what cemented ramon as being as strong as terry.
Imposter Mickey Mouse said, November 26, 2013, 01:53:05 amAnd still nobody mentioned the USA Sports Team, with Lucky Glauber (black people are so good at dribbling basketballs that they developed a martial art using it), Heavy D (Okay he's not too bad, but he's PATRIOTIC AS FUCK judging by his tattoo on his back), and Briaaaaaaaaaan Battler (Big stupid white football player who likes tackling people for no reason)Doesn't sound too bad until you realize that every time a new team enters KOF, they do it by beating up the USA Sports Team and stealing their invitations. So not only are they caricatures, but they also suck at fighting too. But I guess that's to be expected if you fight by throwing basketballs.heavy D was like...yeah he didn't exactly fit with their comical nature and i just don't see why he's ended up as comic relief just because he's part of that team. shit get him in a team with shen or vanessa or something, damn. hasn't he had enough?
Birdie was originally a stereotypical 1970 punk, he was then updated with other modern punk characteristics. His original stage had a velvet underground poster and everything.QuoteYou add a fat charismatic character, you get people who'll complain about that, you instead decide to keep him slim, you'll get people who will complain about the game having no fat characters.I dont think you need a huge bouncy exposed belly in order to make a fat character, the same way I dont think you need large bouncy breasts to make a female character.all his costumes focus around showing off his big belly, its kinda weird.Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyexcept this oneI think it was clear it was supposed to be funny.
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 09:32:10 pmReally the difference between stereotypes and archetypes is that stereotypes are what people IRL believe about other people. Archetypes are kinds of characters that are used in media.That's what I'm saying!!!-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 01:59:26 amSilver Surfer is the typical California surfer guy stereotype, they just painted him silver and made him surfer through galaxies looking for planets to give to his master Galactus instead of surfing on beaches.That's... not right at all.
Nothing will ever be 100% right and correct when you talk about stereotypes, it's the same thing that happens when you talk about feminism and racism. People will see a stereotype in anything, even in something as ridiculous as my Silver Surfer example. I don't see what's so funny about a dude with an unzipped jacket but some people do find it funny so what can I do?
Iced said, November 26, 2013, 02:28:13 amI dont think you need a huge bouncy exposed belly in order to make a fat character, the same way I dont think you need large bouncy breasts to make a female character.I don't think so, it's part of the fat stereotype... and he's an old example of that
-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 03:35:46 amNothing will ever be 100% right and correct when you talk about stereotypes, it's the same thing that happens when you talk about feminism and racism. People will see a stereotype in anything, even in something as ridiculous as my Silver Surfer example. I don't see what's so funny about a dude with an unzipped jacket but some people do find it funny so what can I do?But... Super Hero Squad isn't canon! It's a bad example! Silver Surfer is not a California surfer dude! >:[
regarding heart, that was mainly cuz that was the main way for kenshiro to open up a weak point for him to kill him with i'd assumethat and it was the post apocalypse, barely anyone wore actual shirts most of the time aside from some miscellaneous straps and vests
Jmorphman said, November 26, 2013, 04:01:47 am-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 03:35:46 amNothing will ever be 100% right and correct when you talk about stereotypes, it's the same thing that happens when you talk about feminism and racism. People will see a stereotype in anything, even in something as ridiculous as my Silver Surfer example. I don't see what's so funny about a dude with an unzipped jacket but some people do find it funny so what can I do?But... Super Hero Squad isn't canon! It's a bad example! Silver Surfer is not a California surfer dude! >:[Nobody gives a shit about Silver Surfer! NOBODY! Same with the Fantastic Four! And that's why you had a movie with both together, because some higher up thought "hey let's put two of our least interesting franchises and characters together in the same movie and we'll make lots of money!", genius!
-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 04:10:08 amNobody gives a shit about Silver Surfer! NOBODY! Same with the Fantastic Four! And that's why you had a movie with both together, because some higher up thought "hey let's put two of our least interesting franchises and characters together in the same movie and we'll make lots of money!", genius!You are so wrong you are the mayor of Wrongtown, which is of course the capital of United States of Profoundly Wrong.>:[
yeah the reason fantastic four isnt as popular is cuz the movies flopped horribly if they did successfully, as successfully as say iron man then they woulda been popular as shit toooh and they dont appear in everything like the other mcu characters do due to that popularity spike on both ends
Jmorphman said, November 26, 2013, 04:12:54 am-Red- said, November 26, 2013, 04:10:08 amNobody gives a shit about Silver Surfer! NOBODY! Same with the Fantastic Four!You are so wrong you are the mayor of Wrongtown, which is of course the capital of United States of Profoundly Wrong.Agreed, Silver Surfer is the shiz, what's wrong with you.
Imposter Mickey Mouse said, November 26, 2013, 12:23:57 amI think my favorite stereotype character is Mr. Jones, mostly because they fucked it up.He's a black dude with an afro and sunglasses, and his theme song has a 70's style beat, and he's always talking about geting funky. The designers changed their mind halfway through and gave him a Bruce Lee track suit and made his movelist be based on Jeet Kun Do.He's a two-in-one!It's not a stereotype, it's a homage. Obviously you have absolutely no idea about "Black Belt Jones", and the blaxploitation films on the 70s
Interesting points, especially regarding the name. Doesn't change the fact thatA) He's wearing Bruce Lee's suit from Game of DeathB) He bears a very strong resemblence (down to the hairstyle) to Kareem Abdul Jabbar's appearance in... Game of DeathC) He fucking sucks as a fighter, at least according to all the dialogue in the game.
But Mr.Jones is a 70's black guy stereotype/archetype (whatever): Black guy with an afro, shades, likes to "get funky." No different from Tiger Jackson.That doesn't make Mr.Jones a bad character though (being inspired by Jim Kelly is awesome).
Unless people actually believe black people look and act like those guys then no they are not stereotypes.
Am I the only one here that's super confuzzled? You guys(or I guess we, now) need to all agree on oje definition of stereotype, preferably the dictionary one...
There are different dictionaries that have different definitions for the same word (I know some dictionaries are better than others but that's beside the point).Some define stereotype as "an oversimplified opinion, perception, or image."Others define it as "an unfair or prejudice mentality towards a group of people or things."I always used the first (whether it's right or not is something else).An oversimplified opinion can apply to anything (Canada is never hot at any point of the year... all board games are for kids).
