All depends on how things are used. Water isn't a bad thing. Water is bad when it's thrown onto electrical currents. Stereotypes can be used to repel or offend people (the more common occurrence)... or they can be used to relate to a particular group of people (and even used in a positive way).Common English stereotypes is that they are all proper, they all drink tea, and they all have bad teeth. Dudley is all of this (minus the bad teeth)... I haven't seen people say that he's offensive.Idk, maybe my definition of the word is wrong or something (I always thought it meant cliche). I definitely didn't phrase that right; of course stereotypes are a bad thing if used improperly. I do agree with Iced on that characterization should come first and everything else afterwards.
Cliches and stereotypes are pretty different. Dudley's tea drinking fanciness is cliched behavior; he's not a stereotype.
One positive stereotype is that American guys are all John Rambo-esque action heroes with big bulging muscles and overall badassery.What say you?
Still reductive, still based in ignorance.Stereotypes are cheap shortcuts, signs of bad writing. You gotta be creative and come up with something more!
Jmorphman said, November 25, 2013, 07:05:25 pmCliches and stereotypes are pretty different. Dudley's tea drinking fanciness is cliched behavior; he's not a stereotype.Uh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.The British ARE stereotyped like that.
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 07:15:22 pmUh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.The British ARE stereotyped like that.Except Birdie, which is another british stereotype: punks. A same country could have various stereotypes, all of you should know thatAlso, the martial art style is itself a stereotype depends of the country, like China (Kung Fu), Japan (Karate, Kendo), Brazil (Capoeira), Korea (Taekwondo), Mexico (Lucha Libre) and so onAnd Red is right, for Japan and USA, Latin America is Mexico, Brazil and very uncommonly Argentina. The others countries aren't mentioned except in some very specific cases and not much (like Foxy). Also, all in Latin America were represented as indians who live in huts and shacks
african american = a boxer or a basketball/sports man.korean = taekwondo and only have a kick special and supers.and in every anime or games, characters from my country are portrayed as innocent teenage girl or a loli with magical nature powers or a prostitute. the only one who broke this stereotype is DOA. which they created a big armored chick called spartan 458.
In a beginning yes, but they were teached TKD by Kim Kaphwan, so yeah, they enter in the stereotype since they share a couple of his moves
lol we already had this discussion a few months ago, I remember raja complaining that an asian beat him to getting a job because the itnerviewers though the asian was better at school than raja.
but it's stereotypes, indians don't count as asians , only people tfrom the SEA do, even though the people who separate them like that don't know what the SEA is.
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 07:15:22 pmUh, other than being black, Dudley is a British stereotype.If Dudley was nothing more than a tea drinking fancy pants, then sure. But he's not. To me, that makes him not a stereotype.but this is all becoming pretty pedantic and off topic.maximilianjenus said, November 25, 2013, 08:23:35 pmbut it's stereotypes, indians don't count as asians , only people tfrom the SEA do, even though the people who separate them like that don't know what the SEA is.I know what the sea is, it's a large body of water! Duh!
Just because he has some non-stereotypical traits doesn't mean he's not a stereotype. He's just not a full stereotype.
You guys are talking tropes archetypes andcliches. Not stereotypes. Being Japanese and doing karate is not a stereotype. :(V)Also Indians are considered Asian in the admission process. Asians actually have worse chances with afgirmative action than blacks and hispanics
Capt. Segway said, November 25, 2013, 08:43:24 pmJust because he has some non-stereotypical traits doesn't mean he's not a stereotype. He's just not a full stereotype. Enjoying tea and being British does not make one a stereotype. If that was literally the only thing about him, then maybe. But he's not a stereotype, he's a fleshed out character.
he is a stereotype ontop which was built a neat character adhering to the archetypes of classic boxing. Stereotypes arent evil by existing, they are bad when used to reduce someone to only one thing D: Or more to the point stereotypes are a valid tool in story building they just arent meant to be used alone without any sprucing up from the authors/writers. Even stereotype subversion is okay.Like the innocent little girl stereotype character that is actually a crazy fuck, or the educated british gentleman that is also obsessed with drinking tea while wearing boxing gloves.Then again the archetype thing might be more on the nose
But I would say those aren't stereotypes anymore then!!!and those examples really are more archetypes than stereotypes
