Ehem. *dusts off his account*Just found some rather cool Zeta Gundam trivia. It turns out the opening and ending themes are approved cover songs based on some obscure 70's songs by Neil Sedaka.Don't believe me? Compare for yourself.Zeta's First opening theme. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqbDO2iS_UBetter days are coming by Neil Sedaka. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bipWWEq26RUZeta Gundam Ending theme. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQrA6u7GFINeil Sedaka's Bad and Beautiful http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YAf0YjuSdGwThis sort of thing certainly explains why those themes hardly show up in games.
That's exactly the reason why the music for anything Zeta related in games uses songs from the score, not the openings/ending (it's also why they were replaced by songs from the score in the Western release as well). On the hand it sucks, but on the other, it gives a chance for Zeta's fantastic score to shine, since the series that can use their OP/EDs will often only have them as their only musical pieces, and to me, sometimes it's nice to have the music that actually plays in the episodes when the mechs are fighting play in the games when the mechs are fighting.I do know that Super Robot Wars has sometimes used Mizu no Hoshi e Ai wo Komete/From an Aqueous Star with Love (the second OP) in some games, but not within the last decade or so. Maybe it was easier/less expensive to license it at that time? Or huh, that song is based on a Sedaka song that was never actually recorded, maybe that makes it cheaper? Who knows.oh, just remembered that the Zeta game for NES used all three songs. I gotta wonder if that was managed because video games weren't that high profile then and they sneakedn it by or something
Your right about Zeta's OST being amazing (I only just finished watching it about a month ago) but you're wrong about SRW. I think "Mobile Suit" played like.... Once? Maybe twice? In the whole show but that's usually what shows up in SRW games. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3a0ulHGyplQFrom someone who played Gundam vs Zeta until his PS2 broke, I think they could have picked better.So uh.. You might have noticed i've been away for awhile, ehh life stuff BUT since i've been gone i've finished..GZeta and08thQuick reviewsBelieve it or not but I never got to watch G Gundam on Toonami back in the day. And I watched it subbed but I can honestly say with no nostalgia glasses, 10/10 would eat again 5 stars.Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyANSWER MUGEN GUILD! SCHOOL OF THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST!---I took multiple breaks watching Zeta but I can easily say it's quite possibly one of my all-time favorite anime. That said... I don't quite see the hype. It's how do I word it.. Dumb. Everyone holds the idiot ball or plays idiot soccer on a by-episode basis. It starts with Kamille but half-way through it seems like Kamille is the only sane person. Seriously, the guy punches Quattro when he's having a pitty party. Amuro tries to Kamikaze a plane. And then there's the scene in Hong Kong where Four summon the Psyco Gundam purely from her mindhax. What is this? G Gundam? Everything Reccoa does. Kai showing up all badass just to promptly get captured (off screen no less) yada yada. I still loved it though.---After watching Zeta I figured I'd watch the side stories starting with the 08th MS Team. Oh boy where do I start? Uhmm. Feels. This show is nothing but feels. I do think the last episode was COMPLETELY useless and a waste of time except for The last few seconds at the end where we see what Shiro and Aina have been doing since the war ended. Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty each other Haven't gotten around to War in the Pocket yet but I will eventually.
Jmorphman said, August 01, 2014, 09:21:40 amoh, just remembered that the Zeta game for NES used all three songs. I gotta wonder if that was managed because video games weren't that high profile then and they sneakedn it by or somethingit was a nes , the song was not recognizable enough for a lawsuit.
Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmHaven't gotten around to War in the Pocket yet but I will eventually.Wait for a couple of months and watch it during Christmas.
S.D. said, August 01, 2014, 09:49:47 pmNegi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmHaven't gotten around to War in the Pocket yet but I will eventually.Wait for a couple of months and watch it during Christmas.I've played enough games to know 2 things.Exploding Santas (are very useful in SDGW)And I know that kid is goddamn annoying. Some of the missions in GvsG Ext very lightly glaze over important battles and the majority of the narration for the 0080 battle is, and I quote;"WHAAAAA BERNIE!!! WHAA!!!!! BERNIE!!!!!" OVER AND OVER AND OVER.I'm contemplating just skipping over ZZ and going straight to CCA. No idea then. Might finish Samurai Troopers but that's not a mech anime so I'll stop.
Al's better in the actual series. The games have never really done 0080 justice because the series as a whole has so few mobile suit fights, and the ones that it does have are all stripped down, quick affairs.0080 is maybe the best thing the franchise has ever created, it's real treat.Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmYour right about Zeta's OST being amazing (I only just finished watching it about a month ago) but you're wrong about SRW. I think "Mobile Suit" played like.... Once? Maybe twice? In the whole show but that's usually what shows up in SRW games.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3a0ulHGyplQThe first set of OSTs are confusing, track-name wise, since each track is split up into various different pieces. The complete OST (Zeta Gundam Special) keeps the combined tracks, but gives each segment its own name. This one is called Mobile Suit Combat, and the second and third segments are called War and A Fierce Battle Ends, respectively. A Fierce Battle Ends is probably my favorite piece in the soundtrack, but I don't really remember it appearing much, unfortunately. But I thought War was pretty prominent? I seem to recall it being basically the default battle theme or something. And that's the one that usually pops up in SRWs (although sometimes the second segment of Fleet Battle does, but I don't remember how often that was used)Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmEveryone holds the idiot ball or plays idiot soccer on a by-episode basis. It starts with Kamille but half-way through it seems like Kamille is the only sane person. Seriously, the guy punches Quattro when he's having a pitty party. Kamille is an emotionally maladjusted teenager who's seen his parents murdered in front of him and his entire life taken away and was forced to become a fugitive and take refuge with terrorists. He's not exactly the picture of perfect mental health, and that's what makes him an interesting character.Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmAmuro tries to Kamikaze a plane.It was the only thing he could do! Kamille and Char were getting their asses handed to them pretty thoroughly, and Buran was about to shoot down the Audhumla! Amuro saved them with that stunt!Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmAnd then there's the scene in Hong Kong where Four summon the Psyco Gundam purely from her mindhax. What is this? G Gundam?Four's a newtype, the Psyco Gundam is a newtype-use MS. Not exactly beyond the pale, and supplementary material has gone on to explain that remote piloting is indeed something the Psyco Gundam is specifically designed with (it doesn't seem to be as precise as actual hand-on-piloting, though, so it's only useful when you're not in the cockpit)Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmEverything Reccoa does. Kai showing up all badass just to promptly get captured (off screen no less) yada yada. I still loved it though.I get what Tomino was trying to do with Reccoa and Katz (and Reccoa's motivations almost make sense, they just needed more time spent on them), but they're definitely among the major failings of Zeta. And even though the movies would've been a great chance to fix all that, they're arguably handled worse in those.but maaaaaaaan Kai is fine, sure he leveled up and became Indiana Jones, investigative reporter and stuff, but he's still Kai in the end. He can only be badass so much!Negi Springfield said, August 01, 2014, 04:47:25 pmI do think the last episode was COMPLETELY useless and a waste of time except for The last few seconds at the end where we see what Shiro and Aina have been doing since the war ended. Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty each other Last episode seems to be widely hated, but I dug it. Of course, Michel was always the most interesting character to me, so that didn't hurt. And it was free of the mostly nonsensical moralizing of Shiro, so that was good too.
The more I love something the more I recognize it's faults fyi :pBut in all honestly... ENLIGHTEN ME on Katz'(s?).... Existence. He's full gear scrappy. Even though the games ruined most of the "shocks" of the show for me I let out a huge sigh with a large does of "Finally!" When he died. He was so damn annoying.And to clarify my earlier statement, I was saying Quattro was the one having the pitty party from Amuro's sharp questions once they got back to Kennedy Space Port and Kamille "corrects" him. And Char tears up. The whole thing is akward.Not to mention Amuro's Stockholm when we first see him. And his (openly) meaningless attachment to Beltorchika (at first if you count novel CCA) the only consistently sane and/or well adjusted person throughout the whole show was Emma.I was constantly waiting for a scene of Scirocco petting a cat as he (internally) monologues his evil plans he's rather cheesy for a played-straight villian.Last bit, It also seemed like Zeta couldn't make up it's mind who was or wasn't a Newtype or what the bounds of their reach were.For example in one episode Jerid feels Scirocco's arrival onto the battlefield as much as Quattro and Kamille even noting he feels ill. Then there's the scene where Reccoa gives Sting- I mean Yazan a mental shout. I really don't get it all.
Katz is there to show how being a newtype doesn't always make things work out for you, personality-wise. This is later reinforced by Haman and Scirocco, who are Tomino's attempts at pushing back on his more idealistic concept of newtypes from 0079; the concept of newtypes leading humanity into the future and being more advanced and empathetic was mostly unchallenged by 0079 (although it was a process; every newtype character besides Lalah doesn't start like that, and I guess Chalia Bull doesn't survive long enough to go through said process). With Zeta, Tomino starts picking away at the aspect of newtypes as humanity's future (which all eventually leads to F91 and Victory, where they are few and far between, and not super relevant plotwise) as they start being shown more and more as just plain humans with paranormal powers, capable of being good or despicably evil. So much so that when Haman and Kamile start to have a newtype connection in combat (which looks like and seems like the same thing Amuro and Lalah experienced when they met in combat), Haman refuses the connection and throws Kamile out. She explicitly rejects the possibility of having an emotional understanding and possibly peace with Kamile, and moreover feels outraged that such a thing could occur.Katz is there for the same reason, only on the side of good. He is an annoying little shit who constantly fucks things up, and uses his being a newtype to justify it. He goes through the same star-crossed lovers thing with Sarah that Amuro did with Lalah, and not only are they both too damaged to experience the same kind of connection and possibility of peace that Amuro and Lalah did, but Katz becomes more hotheaded and more standoffish after Sarah's death. Which of course leads to his senseless, dumb death. That's my redemptive reading of Katz. I don't think Tomino quite pulls it off, but I definitely see where he's coming from. He tries to do this again with Quess and Hathaway, but the movie version of that at least is only done slightly better than Katz and Sarah. And that one would be improved so much more if the echoing of Amuro and Lalah was made explicit and Hathaway killed Quess accidentally (which is how it happens in the novel version, Beltorchika's Children). Instead he kills Chan and just, no, fuck you Hathaway, Chan was cool. >:[Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 05:34:49 pmAnd to clarify my earlier statement, I was saying Quattro was the one having the pitty party from Amuro's sharp questions once they got back to Kennedy Space Port and Kamille "corrects" him. And Char tears up. The whole thing is akward.Char doesn't seem as traumatized as Amuro is at the start of Zeta, but that scene shows how bitter and emotionally fraught Char really is. His cool guy persona is just the latest mask Char is wearing.Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 05:34:49 pmNot to mention Amuro's Stockholm when we first see him. And his (openly) meaningless attachment to Beltorchika (at first if you count novel CCA) the only consistently sane and/or well adjusted person throughout the whole show was Emma.He's traumatized because of Lalah's death, and without the constant threat of death and the need to protect his friends that powered him through the rest of the OYW, he's content to remain under house arrest and do nothing. Seems pretty reasonable to me.Beltorchika is just his new girlfriend, I don't really remember their relationship being all that weird?Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 05:34:49 pmLast bit, It also seemed like Zeta couldn't make up it's mind who was or wasn't a Newtype or what the bounds of their reach were.For example in one episode Jerid feels Scirocco's arrival onto the battlefield as much as Quattro and Kamille even noting he feels ill. Then there's the scene where Reccoa gives Sting- I mean Yazan a mental shout. I really don't get it all.Jerid and Reccoa were both newtypes. Weak ones, but they show enough newtype traits to be called newtypes.
No, yeah, I get Reccoa being a Newtype I was talking about Yazan there. 0079 makes it clear that Newtypes can feel Oldtypes thoughts under extreme pressure (see Dozle's last stand) but I was under the firm understanding that Oldtypes couldn't feel anything (it's kind of the entire problem with the UC) I'm only emphasizing it because of how weak of a Newtype Reccoa is and how thick and boneheaded Yazan is. But eh w/e makes good drama.And despite most videogames having Jerid squarely pegged as an Oldtype I very clearly remember one of his launch quotes in GvsZG being to the effect of "You Oldtypes are antiques now!" Or whatever he's certainly the weakest Newtype in the series I'm aware of.Oh and I loved this gem.SomeTitanfag: NEWTYPES ARE PURE PROPAGANDA!Yeah that's why you have the Flanagan and Murasame Labs.....Another "last" note.Quattro BajeenaJamitov HymenBen WooderThe OJust me or?....
Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 08:02:13 pmNo, yeah, I get Reccoa being a Newtype I was talking about Yazan there. 0079 makes it clear that Newtypes can feel Oldtypes thoughts under extreme pressure (see Dozle's last stand) but I was under the firm understanding that Oldtypes couldn't feel anything (it's kind of the entire problem with the UC) I'm only emphasizing it because of how weak of a Newtype Reccoa is and how thick and boneheaded Yazan is. But eh w/e makes good drama.Eh, the finale of 0079 has Amuro communicating with nearly the entire White Base crew, and those guys aren't newtypes (probably, maybe. Definitely not Bright, at least). There's enough hints throughout UC that oldtypes can detect some stuff from newtypes in heightened, life-or-death situations.
Except Amuro is fairly upper-middle "strength" in Newtype abilities. He's not literally powering his Gundam with mindhax (Judau) or communicating with whales or anything. But he's up there.I couldn't really feel a gauge of power from Haman or Scirocco because they completely stomped in all of their battles.Hell the show might as well be renamedMobile Suit Zeta Gundam: Char's Ass KickingDoesn't he get at least one limb blown up in EVERY battle he's in? What's the Beam coating even there for?And an odd Choice for sure but I personally think the funniest moment (besides all the random acts of physical violence) goes to when Quattro gets knocked into Earth's gravity well over Kilimanjaro and faces his potential death with"Well, this won't end well" like he dropped a glass of milk or something. Idk I found it funny.The only scene that legitimately made me feel akward was... Well.. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMxq6InZ6II
Yeah that scene was uncomfortable.Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 08:26:32 pmExcept Amuro is fairly upper-middle "strength" in Newtype abilities. He's not literally powering his Gundam with mindhax (Jerid) or communicating with whales or anything. But he's up there.I think the life-and-death thing is the big qualifier, since Amuro isn't really able to do that thing again (Bright certainly tries to communicate with Amuro in CCA, but he's relatively safe and nothing happens). Yazan and Reccoa were in a high stakes battle and had come close to death, and Reccoa was on the verge of death, which seems to be the reason why Yazan was suddenly seeing naked Reccoa in his mind.There does seem to be some correlation between extremely dangerous situations awakening newtype abilities, or strengthening them, or something. Most newtypes don't start to exhibit their abilities until they've gone through a few battles, after all.Negi Springfield said, August 02, 2014, 08:26:32 pmDoesn't he get at least one limb blown up in EVERY battle he's in? What's the Beam coating even there for?The beam coating is just an after the fact explanation for the gold coloring (I think? They might've said it was anti-beam coating somewhere but they didn't make a big deal of it if they did). Even the supplementary materials say the coating is only effective against glancing hits.
Another minor gripe I have is the lack of any sort of time scale. Like, 2-3 episodes after Kamille singlehandedly designs the Zeta Gundam out of bordem the AEUG apparently had the time and resources to Super Mass produce Wave Riders for atmospheric battle.Pretty much all of Judau's feets dip into Super Robot territoryThen there's that scene where Domon calls for his Shining Gundam and it busts out of the Statue of liberty
You can't take G Gundam too seriously. Besides that was amazing Kamille didn't single-handedly design the Zeta, he just helped solve a lot of the transforming problems using the technology from the Mk. II. The Flying Armor was already in development (designed to test the rentry and waverider functions of the Zeta).
Oh yes I know full well about that but I had a genuine spit take when I saw the Statue of liberty like that.On a side note, I don't know if you've seen G Gundam subbed bit Chibodee is a RIOT. 75% of his dialogue consists of gratuitous engrish swearing. And he rarely calls Domon by his name, always opting instead for "Japanese""Herro Japanese!" Ect. He was such an enjoyable character.Then I realized it's the same voice actor as Yazan!...
We were fortunate not to see the parts where Chibodee violated emotionally fraught newtype teenagers.
