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Hanzo Hattori by KojiroBADNESS released, Fuuma Kotaro updated!
#1  January 04, 2013, 01:02:24 pm
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The time has come. The Ninja duo is here! (I know... FINALLY! :P)

Anyway, first thing's first. I'm sorry these releases took me so damn long. I know many of you have been looking forward to Fuuma and Hanzo for a LONG time as I kept putting them off... and you harassed me for months LOL. But as a thank you for being so patient with me, I'm releasing the both of them together. :kungfugoi:

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What's left on Fuuma/Hanzo?

- Unfortunately... There is still no AI for either of them as I'm still incapable to build AI's. T_T
- More female characters for Fuuma's special intro of course.. you know what it is playa!
- 1.0 Win Quotes...
- Step away from the POTS portrait style. -_-

A quick special thanks to those who helped me out on these characters whether it was feedback and/or coding tips. You know who you are.

Get them over at Club Syndicate

(Downloads -> KojiroBADNESS -> Characters)

Happy New Year! :yippi:
Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 02:48:22 am by KojiroBADNESS

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#2  January 04, 2013, 01:07:39 pm
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Thanks for the characters. Happy New Year. :)

Downloaded Hanzo, then tried to download Fuuma ...

Are you fucking kidding me !? --; Is this the new MMV where you have DL limits if you're not a member ? :S

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#3  January 04, 2013, 01:09:06 pm
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Oh lawd, that's not good LOL. Sorry about that, I'll look into it right away.

Edit: Yeah, it does that for guests only. I didn't know this. But anyway, I removed the limitation (for now), so you should be good now.
Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 01:18:43 pm by KojiroBADNESS

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#4  January 04, 2013, 02:18:46 pm
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Thank you! I was waiting for the release of these guys.  :woeh:

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#5  January 04, 2013, 02:38:53 pm
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Awesome, congrats for release :)
By the way, does your Hanzo have that special intro vs Syn's strider? (Where they are having some conversation before fight, I saw a video of this somewhere...)

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#6  January 04, 2013, 02:58:25 pm
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Yes Sir!

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#7  January 04, 2013, 04:39:45 pm
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First impressions - solid overall, only thing I found as a bit weird is his dp move with strong punch ("z"button). Its trajectory seems a bit weird.

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#8  January 04, 2013, 04:43:42 pm
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Fuckin Awesome, downloading right now.

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#9  January 04, 2013, 05:43:10 pm
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Entering neutral pha-ah screw it, I'm enjoying these so far, here's some preliminary stuff before the SERIOUS MODO testing. As a forewarning note, I am testing ONLY on MUGEN 1.0.
- Can't chain from Light to Heavy normals.
- Having issues running and performing small jumps.

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#10  January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
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- IMO he slides too much when landing from backdash.
- Can crouch while running.
- c.MK is the trip instead of c.SK ?
- c.LP can be chained into c.MP and c.SP, but failt to connect because of pushback/cornerpush.
- Are you sure the stance is set up correctly. It looks kinda jerky to me, with a frame or two going backwards during the anim. May be like that in the original game, just felt it was odd.
- 2nd Jumping Hard Kick looks strange when performed during back jump, since he inverses the rotation.
- Tanagokoro should probably get some width, because it looks really strange when performed near the opponent (the FX appears behind P2).
- What's the point of listing target combos in the readme? Just say light links to mediums which links to strong. x,b,z and a,y,c are valid target combos and they're not listed.
- I can throw during run.
- I recall vels where similar in the original game, but the vels when going down from strong/EX Kohryuha are really odd. I think you overdid it here. Doesn't feel natural.
- There's no landing FX when landing from Ninpo Kohrin Kazan.
- With P2 in corner, medium and strong Mijin Komoru no Subi have Hanzo facing the wrong direction when he lands. Shouldn't the turn sctrl be after the posset/posadd instead of before ? Or at least triggered depending on where Hanzo is with respect to P2.
- You overdid it concerning the sound of MAX Okugi Banten Senkoujin's last projectile. The sounds loop too much and hurt my ears. :(
- Secret Taunt is very unbalanced, there are no CLSNs, allowing you to dodge projectiles and other stuff. :ninja:
- Why doesn't Ikazuchi Shikon Gekijou have a green super BG ?

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#11  January 04, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
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Nice, been waiting on these 2 for a minute lol. DLing now, thanks for the share. Looking forward to Makoto as well. ;)

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#12  January 04, 2013, 08:07:35 pm
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Great release! I hope to have some time to test the two ninjas soon, and I hope Dampir will make a CvS sff patch in the future!!


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#13  January 04, 2013, 10:27:46 pm
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THANK GOODNESS! Been waiting for you to make Hanzo forever man! Nice job! Lots of people slept on the WH series. Thanks! :2thumbsup:

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#14  January 04, 2013, 10:34:00 pm
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Lol I know they have. The series is so underrated. Very unfortunate. And thanks for the support guys.

YagamiBrando said, January 04, 2013, 02:38:53 pm
Awesome, congrats for release :)
By the way, does your Hanzo have that special intro vs Syn's strider? (Where they are having some conversation before fight, I saw a video of this somewhere...)

Why don't you try it and find out?

Garuda said, January 04, 2013, 08:07:35 pm
Great release! I hope to have some time to test the two ninjas soon, and I hope Dampir will make a CvS sff patch in the future!!

I would LOVE that. I've been trying to get a CVS conversion and/or color separation for a while now, but no one wants to bite since they're SNK sprites.

Killer Kong? said, January 04, 2013, 05:43:10 pm
Entering neutral pha-ah screw it, I'm enjoying these so far, here's some preliminary stuff before the SERIOUS MODO testing. As a forewarning note, I am testing ONLY on MUGEN 1.0.
- Can't chain from Light to Heavy normals.

That's odd. I don't have an issue with that in 1.0. Maybe it's a difference in timing vs other characters?

Killer Kong? said, January 04, 2013, 05:43:10 pm
- Having issues running and performing small jumps.

If you mean running and THEN doing a small jump, you can't do that. They always super jump if you jump during the run. Jump-ception.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- IMO he slides too much when landing from backdash.

I know what you're referring to. I didn't have an issue with it, but I'll lessen the vel. Will fix.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- Can crouch while running.

I'll look into it.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- c.MK is the trip instead of c.SK ?

Yeah. Due to lack of sprites (4 button character), I added the trip c.MK. Fuuma has always had this too. Unless I can find some spriters, it stays! :P

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- c.LP can be chained into c.MP and c.SP, but failt to connect because of pushback/cornerpush.

They're not supposed to connect. You can either connect c.LP > c.MP or s.LP > c.SP. You can't chain all 3. I'll remove the trigger for that so it's not confusing.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- Are you sure the stance is set up correctly. It looks kinda jerky to me, with a frame or two going backwards during the anim. May be like that in the original game, just felt it was odd.

LOL no, not at all. I wanted "jazz" up his stance, so he rocks back on the third 3nd loop.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- 2nd Jumping Hard Kick looks strange when performed during back jump, since he inverses the rotation.

You're right. Fuuma has the same thing too. I'll make it so that they can only perform it moving forward.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- Tanagokoro should probably get some width, because it looks really strange when performed near the opponent (the FX appears behind P2).

I'll look into it.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- What's the point of listing target combos in the readme? Just say light links to mediums which links to strong. x,b,z and a,y,c are valid target combos and they're not listed.

LOL I honestly have no explanation for this. It was something I did way back when I released Fuuma so... force of habit? XD. I'll take it out next time though.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- I can throw during run.

I didn't know that was possible. I'll check it out.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- I recall vels where similar in the original game, but the vels when going down from strong/EX Kohryuha are really odd. I think you overdid it here. Doesn't feel natural.

I'll check it out again in NGBC.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- There's no landing FX when landing from Ninpo Kohrin Kazan.

Ugh, son of a... I was just correcting this with both characters yesterday on other moves. I dunno how I missed this. Will fix.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- With P2 in corner, medium and strong Mijin Komoru no Subi have Hanzo facing the wrong direction when he lands. Shouldn't the turn sctrl be after the posset/posadd instead of before ? Or at least triggered depending on where Hanzo is with respect to P2.

I'm not sure where you're seeing this. Whether he appears in front of behind P2, he faces and lands in the proper direction for me. Maybe you can screenshot it for me?

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- You overdid it concerning the sound of MAX Okugi Banten Senkoujin's last projectile. The sounds loop too much and hurt my ears. :(

LOL my apologies. The sound isn't supposed to cater to the ears but I'll look into turning it down a bit.

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- Secret Taunt is very unbalanced, there are no CLSNs, allowing you to dodge projectiles and other stuff. :ninja:

Opps... I overlooked that part. Thanks for noticing. Will fix!

(det∇ϕ(x))²-µ(λ+µ/θ)/∂Ω said, January 04, 2013, 05:51:34 pm
- Why doesn't Ikazuchi Shikon Gekijou have a green super BG ?

My custom supers are supposed to give you a different vibe/feel, so I broke the (Blue, Green, Red) rule. And I like blue better vs green. I'll likely be changing this up anyway once I come up with a new hyper portrait style... you know... one that isn't POTS related.

Good LAWD, Cy. Less "Nice car +1" and a little more feedback? :P

Thanks for the feedback, Gentleman. I'll look into the changes.
Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 10:49:23 pm by KojiroBADNESS

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#15  January 05, 2013, 01:56:25 am
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Thanks for sharing. :sugoi:
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I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.
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There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

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#16  January 05, 2013, 02:56:16 am
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Np man. I hope you guys are enjoying them! :2thumbsup:

UPDATE (04/01/12)

Hanzo
- Added some Width to Tanagokoro.
- Added CLSN Box to the Secret Taunt (Forgot it the first time...)
- Altered Strong/EX Koryuha velocity. Flows slightly better.
- No longer slides after Back dash.
- Back dash travels further.
- Disabled attacks while back dashing.
- No longer can crotch when running.
- Disabled 2nd Jumping HK when jumping backward.

Fuuma
- No longer slides in Back dask slide.
- Back dash travels further.
- Disabled attacks while back dashing.
- No longer can crotch when running.
- Disabled 2nd Jumping HK when jumping backwards.

I fixed most of what was posted here already; took care of the bigger issues. The other stuff I either haven't seen or it isn't that important.

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#17  January 05, 2013, 03:14:49 am
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#18  January 05, 2013, 03:46:53 am
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Hi.

I've been playing around with [Hanzo] for a bit. Not bad.

I really, really like the way you worked with his velocities, especially during qcb+k. Those feel phenomenal, good job.

I found several issues that I think you should look into:

- The most important problem is that he is not consistent, standing LP and crouching LP use completely different hitdef data. I believe some of his kick moves do as well.

Usually game systems keep hitdef data for strength moves uniform so the player doesn't get confused and gets a better 'idea' of the game rhythm. This makes it feel kinda sloppy.

- Some of your CLSN design seems awkward, in the sense that you started designing CLSN one way, and ended up changing to another (different time periods perhaps). For example:



On the left, design is too detail oriented vs the right, which is super simplified.

In both cases, I feel like the design could've been improved (you could've used one box for the head+leg on the first one, the last one could've used more vulnerable areas via CLSN2).

One other problem with the current design is that the priority of basics is completely overshadowed by his specials, in the sense that basics are unsafe to use compared to his specials.

There's also stuff like this:



All CLSN2 on standing/crouching states should cover all the way to the feet unless you are adding low move invincibility on purpose.

I was trying to find an example where he would run through an opponent, and it happens against himself. :P

- The way you design throws has several problems:



- This box could miss completely on characters like Choi, throw boxes should usually cover all the way to the feet.
- The throw hitbox lasts for three frames, it should only last for 1. An opponent could teleport or walk into this throw in really extreme cases, this shouldn't happen.
- You have no distance triggers on it, so you can throw characters like Billy out of their weapons lol.
- Your hitdef has a trigger of !time, why? The actual CLSN1 comes out several frames later and it lasts for 3 frames, depending on your juggle system, there could be cases where the opponent recovers from a previous move, you attempt a throw and it doesn't work.

- You could polish his controls much more:

This is a small detail, but I think it's worth adding: if you do move that end with a certain direction (forward, back) holding the opposite direction down should not allow you to make the move.

This is very important in games like KOF. For example, let's say you are trying to do a QCF motion. If you do QCF, hold back and press the button, only a basic move will come out.

This is an important measure added so the player has better control over their character. Most people tend to miss this detail.

- His projectiles are broken, they disregard anything that has been coded with the [projectile] controller:



- I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but I can hit opponents out of air recovery (corner an opponent, hit them with LP, you can hit them again afterwards) KOF characters cannot recover from this ever, so it's an infinite on them. :(

- I like how you changed some of his air gethits, but he still sinks during some of his bounce states. Why not go all the way and fix them all once and for all? It would make him feel much better.

I like what you have here so far, I remember seeing a preview of either him (of Fuuma) some years ago and being interested in checking them out, it's nice to be able to test them now.

Anyway, good luck! I'll be checking any updates out in the future.
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#19  January 05, 2013, 07:02:33 am
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oh man this is a very nice surprise :) thanks for sharing such awesome characters!

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#20  January 05, 2013, 11:44:10 am
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Holy shit that's some nice feedback Vans. :ninja:

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Goku in the right corner, Hanzo at close distance, performs D,U,y. Reappears facing the wrong direction :


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Nice car +1 ? What's that ? I'm here to hurt feelings !!!! :twisted: ;P
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