Ash: Heilige *****! Eine riesige Katze läuft auf der Straße frei herum! says:I get PMs and I can't reply to themIced- says:banned people dont get acess to pm system?Ash: Heilige *****! Eine riesige Katze läuft auf der Straße frei herum! says:We can read them just can't *reply*Something wrong with this, isnt it?If we want to keep someone from pms we can ban them from logging in.
QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Hm, so awhile back I asked Cyanide just to ban me and leave me banned to get away from Guild.Ash: Brooklyn Rage! diz:So since he isn't here to ask about an undo and I don't need a public powow with the staff mulling it over again.Ash: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Mind if I can get that lifted?(Apparently he asked to be banned. )
Was he expecting you to just go like "OH AYE" and unban him silently? Did he then informed you that Iced was not happy that you had not unbanned him?
Iced the 8Ball said, January 02, 2009, 04:09:48 amWas he expecting you to just go like "OH AYE" and unban him silently?Honestly.
No. But maybe just because the 40 minutes between his request and my reply didn't help the conversation's momentum.
Did you ask him WHY? I mean, if he's going to come here and continue what he normally does, what's he need it lifted for. He tends to make Byakko intolerable as well, they sorta feed off each other.I do not understand, he seemed happy with a permanent ban before. Something must have changed quite drastically. Also, he's likely to want/need it back on in about 2 months.
I figured if he had any particular reason he'd have said it in the first place, but asked him now:QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Not sure how to explain it. Guess I just simply don't have a grudge to hold anymore.Ash: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Before I just told Cy to leave the ban because I was tired of how stupid things were. Now I'm just distant to a lot of it.Paul Potts diz:you do realize that this would make you be dragged into it again right? Ash: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Yeah, probablyAsh: Brooklyn Rage! diz:I need somewhere to announce the crap I work on still though.
Augh!Devils advocate.He has RS to announce everything. He has RS for wip topics too, most of the people he's actually going to listen to are there, or visit there. Announcing here would be for nothing except exposure. He could appoint a spokesperson to do it for him on the release side.I could swear i warned him this would happen. I refuse to make a decision. He doesn't get on my nerves except when he's TV evangelist on creator rights.
im with cy, how long until he is advocating again how stupid/bad/assholes we are and how much we are unneeded and just a big gorilla that cant be ignored?How long until he is butting in threads and topics supporting crap like browser takeovers?When we ban someone permanently usually it sticks and is for a good reason, going back through the threads that led into this decision he probably earn it.He can use others to announce his stuff and guild has been calmer without him jumping into situations and feeding fires.
I'm against unbanning him.He really should have thought about the whole "burning bridges" thing back in all the other 30 chances we have given him.He just needs a chance to recruit more into RS
QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! diz:Not sure how to explain it. Guess I just simply don't have a grudge to hold anymore.give us 2 seconds in a topic together~I'd still unban him, of course. As an aside, rule #24: any ban list over three pages is bad. But that's only me, and the holidays are over so I'll be pretty absent again anyway.I'd only request that you try not to hurt Guild's relationships with his associates by the way you deny his request too much, things seemed quite relaxed lately.Oh and please ban me ASAP, I almost started getting involved again with this noooooooo
QuoteAs an aside, rule #24: any ban list over three pages is bad.Lies. Banlists get that long because you have a constant proxy spammer who needs to stay away.I would not MIND kfm coming back. If i could be sure that there's no chance at all that his previous err leanings, wouldn't come to the fore.The ban was originally 3 weeks cos him defending Burori (that's his frigging name he had it when he created DBZ stuff blast it) for diverting MFG users to that popup page was the end as far as i was concerned. Massive difference between protecting your work, and being a fuckwit.
How come I got a feeling he just wants to come back so he can post in that 2009 split topic? Or something else.I got say that when the RS guys are around they don't even try to make things better. They only disrupt. I see Byakko running his face off and the KFM wants to come back? This sounds like the same thing that happened last time.I'm just asking why does he want to come back?
im on titiln side, then, being that im not undecided.he had his fair share of chances, and most of the shit he pulled he never even HAD to answer for it, instead we were the ones always giving him chances and trying to adapt to him.Too much of a source of confusion, everytime something rubbed him the wrong way I would get tons of messages about what we should be doing.he is untouchable as far as our actions go so far.If you want to give anyone that much power just give them admin status, at least officialize it instead of dancing around it.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=91914.0That thread most likely. I refuse to comment further. I've had my say.
They were already replying before I split that thread. I don't see to much wrong with it. I shows perfectly what happened. I mean a topic was derailed because somebody said the word KFM so people decided that the topic should become yet another RS will defend anything ever said about KFM topic.Since I did it, I haven't seen shit from Byakko. So someone tell me that it didn't stop some of the problems. It's not nice but effective. But as far as causing them to post. Looks like it has stopped them to me Iced.If you guys think I'm wrong then change the title. Bitch at me publicly to save face. Then watch them comeback in waves to critisize you guys for changing the title. You know they will too.
I still think Sepp isn't wrong.Proposed compromise: we fulfill his request, but with a 7 day delay. that way we make sure it's not a hasty decision or "damn I sure want to reply to that fucker in that thread right now!" or something like that.If he gets on our nerves we can always ban him again, but I suppose after this time (and RS' fading influence on.. stuff) he will be easily tolerable for a good while.sound ok?
I still don't like the idea of giving him another chance.We'll just be back here again later. We've perma banned many other people that are much less disruptive!
GUILD AWARDSBest ban of the yearworst ban of the yearbest dramaworst dramaWorst stolen characterbest "it was my brother" caseworst poster awardworst meme award
I was hoping it'd stick this time around, all the jokes made about how he'd be back soon enough cannot be allowed to win.Current exit poll:Sepp - Yes but you deal with him.Val - Yes BUT...Cyanide and Walt - Like, whatever man.Everyone else - No way.
while we're at it i find it really weird to say the least that a banned person has managed to run an awards poll at this forum
I looked back into it and if Cyanide hadn't banned him by request (or whatever), TDS would have by his own initiative:http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=74708.msg749945#msg749945But I personally see what happened at the time he got banned not as terribly bad but as a screwup good enough to ban him for the years of crap he put everyone through.
I forgot why we banned him last. It was the porn linking malware thing that messed up your browser.Yeah we should let him come back. I mean whats a bunch of porn popping up here and there.
you are forgetting that his by request was "Im gonna ban you." answered with "FINE I DONT CARE!"To him we are just the "big gorilla that cant be ignored". he doesnt respect care or concerns about anything this forum does, or the persons on it other than a way to acchieve popularity and people for his own forum.also, christ, i already have him nagging at me during the night , wasnt here but im sure he was already into showing and telling me what to do and how to do and how he was offended at the reaction to his worst awards.
Let him back, after all we need someone causing unnecessary trouble and conducting serious business don't we DON'T WE
Why was my post about the awards moved to Public?I mean is that a normal thing to do? Take the private and move it to the public?
i thought you decided to move it yourselfas much as i think we really should use this forum less, i don't think surprise post moves are the way to go
Well I'm not happy about it, I bet No Point isn't either. I guess it was about time for me to get into the thick of shit with Byakko, KFM, and RS. No sense and talking behind their back.Still, I'm new so that was a question with an expression of my feelings. I wanted to see what the rest of you felt because I'm learning from more experienced people that have been around longer and have a more learned opinion. I guess someone felt it was time for me to move on to expressing my feelings rather than learning.Next time I'll post something like that in Mugen Discussion so at least the crying and shit from the other side can be in public and not in my mailbox.Still feels like a betrayal to me. Oh well.
I moved those posts. Sorry if you didn't want those public, I thought they were rather harmless. I agreed very much with your posts but didn't say so when I moved the thread, should've done that.It happened way too often that when someone wanted to bring up a matter for the staff that they just conveniently added it to a post about something only marginally similar. While the general-purpose threads serve their purpose (doesn't look good when we make a new thread about every little thing), we should split off more seperate matters that get a number of replies. And use this forum less. Srsly.Also, did you really get mailbox crying about that?
you forgot who we were dealing with, val, its the exact same reason why I think that the ban should remain.We arent even able to keep normal dialogue without having to be careful to not offend the royalty.
Eh, I just re-read the post and I'm sorry I apparently kinda skipped the part about RS' rules and nazi etc when I first read it. Sorry about that, and I take back the harmless thing. Bleh, hope things don't get too messy Titiln said, January 04, 2009, 08:40:26 pmbasically calling them nazisyeah not just basically. Iced the 8Ball said, January 04, 2009, 08:45:28 pmyou forgot who we were dealing with, val, its the exact same reason why I think that the ban should remain.We arent even able to keep normal dialogue without having to be careful to not offend the royalty.Well it is kinda insulting, gotta give him that.. still makes me not want him back here, I move 20% more towards not unbanning him
i think things would have gotten way messier by now if it was such a problem anyway. i told kfm i'd talk to shamrock about it but i don't think it's needed anymore after this thread
Well they are kinda nazis, and Shamrock did kinda miss their prime with all the ridiculous rulesy-stuff, the current RS rules are already a direct consequence (within two days) of our change of attitude. I don't think anyone (besides Laxxe) would take you serious anymore if you gave some of the disclaimers that were common use back then
Cryings is to strong a word. Or maybe it's the perfect word. I'm having a rather good debate with Byakko. If he keeps up he might have me convinced I was wrong LOL.There is a kind of, "come to the darkside" tone going on, because I agree with how they think about some things, not about how they act.He knows how I feel about things and I told him that I would try to refrain from bashing RS in my future post so all is good......I think......
If I were you i would avoid arguing with him for too long of a time. I used to do that, be the one he would try to appeal, but then after taking a hand he wanted an arm.
shamrock said, January 04, 2009, 10:14:48 pmThere is a kind of, "come to the darkside" tone going on, because I agree with how they think about some things, not about how they act...theere we go
shamrock said, January 04, 2009, 06:24:44 pmWell I'm not happy about it, I bet No Point isn't either. I don't mind. I have said worse about them in public =pThey know how I feel about their mentalities and actions. Heck, RS formed because I was considering turning Guild into something similar to what it is now.Problem was, I asked for feedback/opinions and didn't secretly plan an overthrow. Which in retrospect was my biggest hang up.I've never been one to endorse "secret plans" and "hidden agendas". Asking for opinions? HAH, now I can look back and see how much SERIOUS BUSINESS I thought about all this.I wouldn't "discuss" with Byakko if I was you. He's had many years of practice nitpicking phrases and twisting words into a really logical argument.
I'm not concerned. I don't have to win the debate and I won't. My opinions about them and that kind or topic stand and they know that they are not going to change them.What can even Byakko say that would change any of that?
and if you take him seriously enough at first he will try to use it against you trying to pit whatever morals he thinks you follow against yourself, nitpicking and quoting at everything.
I'm on limited internet for the next few days, fucking transfer limit.Anyway. I don't see too much harm in the awards existing. If i hadn't he would have had one of his other friends do so. And there's nothing WRONG with doing them. Although i mentioned to him i hated the "worst" as well. I did not sticky them, i wouldn't have stickied them if requested. They're not in anywhere important like announcements. They're in a BAU forum and it's a pretty popular one so the thread shouldn't overtake anything else.Ban in the first place was perma at his request, i was just going to give him a couple of months. Technically he'd be back, or banned again by now.I'm still relatively "like, whatever" but other than fear of what might happen, there's no real reason to keep him banned. We've brought other people back who were far more annoying. hotreezy and evilryu ring bells for anyone?
Iced the 8Ball said, January 04, 2009, 12:35:57 pmTo him we are just the "big gorilla that cant be ignored". he doesnt respect care or concerns about anything this forum does, or the persons on it other than a way to acchieve popularity and people for his own forum.HolidaysBoredomThere's always a topic or two he would have something to say about... but especially when bored over the holidays, as recentlyBut then he can't post! Not directly, at least! Oh ggrrrrr *going Super Saiyajin smiley*Promotion of RSFurthering of The CauseSecuring His Place In HistoryDemolition/Conversion of GuildPromotion of RS AwardsIt's Ash...I think one of the first things that happens in Heir to the Empire is a space battle in which Thrawn orders his forces to engage the enemy using such a blatantly obvious maneuver ABC that the captain questions his sanity---because of course it's such a visible trap that it can't possibly work.When the enemy goes nuts a few seconds later and reacts in the worst possible way he's like, "OMG, what the hell are they doing, are they stupid?!?"Thrawn "explains" that, Look here, it might not have worked on anyone else, but these are aliens of species XYZ, which I knew at once from their attack formations, and since I happen to have studied their art ages ago---just see how they typically draw a line in their paintings!---I knew that the only response to attack ABC species XYZ is psychologically capable of would be to run bindly into their doom!!!It's the only response most of them are psychologically capable of. You see?!?!
Yeah no, see I analyzed his characters years ago. See how he does the hitdefs? It clearly means the only response he is psychologically capable of to such an act would be destroying everything in his reach, thus completing the first of his 12-step programme "destroy the world starting with mugen".
shamrock said, January 07, 2009, 09:03:37 pmIt's so stupid it has to work.Ahahaha.shamrock said, January 07, 2009, 09:11:01 pmSo does that make Byakko = Joruus C'Baoth"You're the Jedi Master [one with an education in psychology or sumthing]. You tell me."--Thrawn, The Last Command
No, no, no Sepp.Don't try the old, "lets keep the discussion on you trick."That shit only works on the week minded, remember?You do realize we are nerds, just because we know what Thrawn is?
Ouch, Lmao.Should have been, "the weak minded," remember?Really need to try the preview button, from time to time.
QuoteProposed compromise: we fulfill his request, but with a 7 day delay. that way we make sure it's not a hasty decision or "damn I sure want to reply to that fucker in that thread right now!" or something like that.Well, we've managed that. I banned him in the first place, i will be the one to UNban him again if you wish?
Fun fact, he come to me a couple of days ago complaining on how he wasnt getting unbanned and how Iced wasnt too happy about it since he had said he would....when I pointed out that I was Iced, he changed to Cyanide.Then he complained about TDS being up to his regular schemes since the staff was probably discussing him where he cant have his say.You bunch of nazi.
Cyanide said, January 12, 2009, 07:47:33 amI banned him in the first place, i will be the one to UNban him again if you wish?Iced the 8Ball said, January 12, 2009, 12:12:12 pmFun fact, he come to me a couple of days ago complaining on how he wasnt getting unbanned and how Iced wasnt too happy about it since he had said he would.when I pointed out that I was Iced, he changed to Cyanide.I heard somebody is lying.
so do we unban him? might flip a coin, or we could simply drag out the discussion until he loses interest again
I could post the exact wording if you guys want, I didnt refered anything to it back then cuz I thought it would just extend the discussion.The tds part was what irked me, "oh i got banned, how dare them mods! THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK! AND I A BANNED PERSON SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A SAY"
Well we let SBZ back, and he's an asshole. I'll mention again it was permanent on his request, otherwise it would have been 3 weeks. Ie: by my banning he should now be unbanned.
You owe me a dinner if he gets in trouble again.Also ,I would rather he didn't act like an entrepreneur, "ME AND MINE" stuff, he is not recognized as anyone spokesperson.
honestly, first message i have to my msn that he wants "us" to do something, Im just gonna post here and will tell you all that he should have stayed banned.QuoteSo anyway PotS went ahead and told me that despite Iced suggesting the ban would be removed at the end of this week that isn't going to happen.QuoteBut it's nice the staff feels they can talk about me all they like at a distance. It's good to know TDS is still TDS in that regard.Yeah, sounds like someone really sorry of what he was doing.
Heh... I like that he actually thinks I am like pushing really hard against him and "fighting my good fight".Request to have all my posts from here moved to the public section since he thinks I can only talk about him behind his back. To his surprise I try to talk nicer about him behind his back than in public.
Rikard said, January 12, 2009, 02:15:57 pmI heard somebody is lying."Kings never lie. They demand the world to be mistaken."(erm, not fitting here. But look, KFM might do just about anything he can think of if he figures it could help him get what he wants.I'll quit. I have quit. I am going to quit. I will work privately and share only between my friends from now on. I will trash my work files of Ingrid if you don't want to take her over. I shall quit MUGEN for real this time. I will withdraw from the public and from openly managing RS.I never talked to XY. Yes, seriously. I don't know where you get that idea. Really. Never. ...HOW DARE YOU READ OUR CONVERSATIONSAll of the other communities are with me. They all agreed when we talked. They will all do UHZ. Yes, all of them. Yes, they really did. No, even them. Yes they too. And so should you.I heard of POK. And GKI tells me he's really, really pissed about that whole thing, and I only wanted to let you know that everybody else feels the same. Perhaps you should reconsider. You'll get in trouble. We'll kill you. We'll sue you. We'll argue with you. We'll discuss with you. We'll talk about you. We'll talk to you. We'll plead with you. We'll beg you. ANYTHING THAT WORKSStuff like that. Not extreme examples, these are characeristic for him. He's not very intelligent, or smart, or subtle about it.)
No one is really making their minds up here. And i've seen many changes. Mine included. I unbanned him yesterday. If he steps out of line, like i said, i'll ban him again.I spoke to him in advance and explained that there were some conditions on it. The original ban was not worthy of permanence. It was only permanent because he wanted it permanent. Also, i liked that idea or i wouldn't have done it. It's been about 3 weeks since he originally requested it, so he certainly didn't "get his way" quickly.Anywho, stepping out of line will result in reban. No quarter.
Iced the 8Ball said, January 12, 2009, 09:58:36 pmhonestly, first message i have to my msn that he wants "us" to do something, Im just gonna post here and will tell you all that he should have stayed banned.QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! says:I don't know what ticks me off more, Alexlexus using the thread to whine in or Luigi Master using the thread to whine innot that terribly bad or anything, but i promised.
Hey I got one too!QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! diz:ahh, Guild. While it may change every few years, some people don't.Ash: Brooklyn Rage! diz:http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=86543.msg812945#msg812945 <- case in point.
QuoteAsh: Brooklyn Rage! says:I don't know what ticks me off more, Alexlexus using the thread to whine in or Luigi Master using the thread to whine inlol his complaining through msn is definitely more annoying than both things he mentioned
Complaining through MSN is not a bannable offence XD.On the lighter side. FrantzX's mugen clone is fucking good for it's current point in development. I'm seeing things work that shugendo didn't have working a year after it's start date. And possibly still doesn't, i don't know, latest beta is private for now.
I've been hearing chattering from foreign intelligence. I also have papers that say that KFM is bringing a malware bomb material from Africa to Random Select. I recommend we do a preemptive strike against Random Select. We shall bring Random Select Democracy.Just because we haven't been attacked by some other person, does not mean that if we don't act now that Kfm won't get enough Material to make his own Malware of mass annoyance (MMA).We should try the "United YouTube Mugen Nations", but if they don't agree we should invade Random Select, and take out these MMA's ourselves.
Kung_Fu_Man said, January 26, 2009, 10:02:22 amAre the massive banners really a necessity? Should we really feel the stage is somehow infinitely better because it has the approval of a fellow who can't maintain a consistent domain, especially when it would seem he isn't actually even hosting it so much as having a central spot for a sendspace link?did kfm really need to throw that jab at sinasta's site which in turn made a total trainwreck of a thread i'm just saying
hes been playing around like that ever since he was unbanned.He just tries to act clean, but we all know that his way of acting towards people leads into them reacting badly to them.He cant be considered a pure presence even if he isnt starting shit directly, since he has started so much and so many in the past that people will ( many times rightfully) act suspicious towards him.
Titiln said, January 27, 2009, 12:11:40 amdid kfm really need to throw that jab at sinasta's site which in turn made a total trainwreck of a thread i'm just sayingGive him a break, we all wanted to do the same.
