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Started by vegito1991, May 24, 2017, 05:48:59 pm
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#1  May 24, 2017, 05:48:59 pm
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#2  May 24, 2017, 05:57:34 pm
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Just to let you know, we do have a reports function on something like this.

Edit: Also, I realized that you just necro'd a 2 year old topic. So yeah, better to just report than post there.
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#3  May 24, 2017, 06:00:08 pm
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sorry, i register not long ago just for this matter, appreciate if you can teach me how to report the post.
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#4  May 24, 2017, 06:01:11 pm
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nvm, i found it, i will make a post on there.
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#5  May 24, 2017, 06:51:57 pm
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#6  May 24, 2017, 07:53:27 pm
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After that much time it's too late to stop it anyway
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#7  May 24, 2017, 08:50:33 pm
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even if it was done yesterday, it's not really against the rules; there have to be more  things agaisnt it to justify a deletion (liek whatever hapepend with the stalled/stolen mortal kombat project)
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#8  May 25, 2017, 01:34:16 pm
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#9  May 25, 2017, 01:39:51 pm
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even if it was done yesterday, it's not really against the rules; there have to be more  things agaisnt it to justify a deletion (liek whatever hapepend with the stalled/stolen mortal kombat project)

Yup, project still ongoing and the screenpack just leaked out like that, i represent the creator because they from china and have english barrier. I don't mind if moderator want me to show the proof for any request. I mean, can you imagine if someone shared out your original idea and pretend it like his own idea. The poster doesn't even credit to the creator as well. I don't expect what will moderator do to poster's account, i just want both one drive and mediafire link to be removed. Just a simple request.
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#10  May 25, 2017, 01:44:24 pm
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Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 01:57:37 pm by vegito1991
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#11  May 25, 2017, 02:08:07 pm
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Our policy is never removing "stolen" content. We just don't enforce creators' rights here.
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#12  May 25, 2017, 02:12:54 pm
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Also the creator rarely reminds the world that they exist at all I even thought the creator was dead for a while.
Edit: Also isn't the new version being worked on by someone else because the original creator quit or something?
Double Edit: Huh who woulda guessed it you got any ideas about a release date or something.
Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 03:59:06 pm by Memes never die
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#13  May 25, 2017, 03:57:19 pm
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Also the creator rarely reminds the world that they exist at all I even thought the creator was dead for a while.
Edit: Also isn't the new version being worked on by someone else because the original creator quit or something?

nope, creator still working on it
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#14  May 25, 2017, 04:05:55 pm
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Our policy is never removing "stolen" content. We just don't enforce creators' rights here.

Oh...my...god, i just can't believe what i seen right now, did you just realize what you are actually writing?
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#15  May 25, 2017, 04:07:50 pm
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We haven't removed "stolen" content since like 2006
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#16  May 25, 2017, 04:11:20 pm
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Summer 2007, JNP. It was like August/September 2007 that y'all did the rulechange.

Also anyone can claim they "represent" a creator.

and please stop posting multiple times in a row.
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#17  May 25, 2017, 04:42:01 pm
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#18  May 25, 2017, 04:51:40 pm
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According to that the "creator" has a "whatever" attitude about it anyway.

And you waited two years to bring this up. By now if we actually did erase the links (which very likely isn't going to happen) then we wouldn't be stemming any sort of flow anyway.
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#19  May 25, 2017, 05:09:42 pm
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According to that the "creator" has a "whatever" attitude about it anyway.

And you waited two years to bring this up. By now if we actually did erase the links (which very likely isn't going to happen) then we wouldn't be stemming any sort of flow anyway.

 i am not "waited", instead, is they just found the link of that post and reported to me, so i came here to request you guys to erase the link. 2nd, yes ...2 years is long but you cant expect them go dig all mugen forums one by one to make sure no one leaked their materials. If i ask you, if you are creator, will you go check world wide mugen forums to do this thing. The answer is definitely no, all this is just a coincidence, and since they found it, they want it to be remove. It is very simple request and reasonable. We are not actually expecting you go find and erase any link that related to KOFW in this forum coz i don't think you have time for that. If we found it, we report it, and you help us, that's all.

"Our policy is never removing "stolen" content. We just don't enforce creators' rights here." And this statement, is basically encourage the members of this forum go and steal other's project and shared out the materials without creator's permission. What kind of sense/logidc that make you think this is right especially you guys implement this policy years ago. I just don't get it, this is ridiculous.
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#20  May 25, 2017, 05:12:51 pm
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We don't encourage people to steal content,in fact,when Chuchoryu stole content not that long ago we had a big shitstorm,but it was his decision bout whether he wants trouble or whether he wants to remove it
The mods,and all other users,will strongly discourage stolen content,but the mods themselves will not delete it
If you really really want that screenpack removed then contact the original creator of that thread
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#21  May 25, 2017, 05:26:23 pm
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I dont get it... Why even report years later lol
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#22  May 25, 2017, 05:28:40 pm
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I'm not trying to be that guy but didn't the people who made kof wing use assets from KOF Zillion to make its Screenpack and kof creations by other people? With you logic wouldn't Kof Wing be just as bad and need to be removed? Then all of mugen would have to be removed because people use characters and sprites from SNK and other official companies effectively "stealing" from them. It isn't a big deal imo because people can use the assets of others work to make it better or to help them start on their own project. So like the people who made KOFW they will be able to use a screenpack or have an asset to start on making their own.
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#23  May 25, 2017, 05:42:10 pm
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Then all of mugen would have to be removed because people use characters and sprites from SNK and other official companies effectively "stealing" from them.
Ugh no. Don't say that ever again. It's fucking retarded.
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#24  May 25, 2017, 05:44:31 pm
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I'm not trying to be that guy but didn't the people who made kof wing use assets from KOF Zillion to make its Screenpack and kof creations by other people? With you logic wouldn't Kof Wing be just as bad and need to be removed? Then all of mugen would have to be removed because people use characters and sprites from SNK and other official companies effectively "stealing" from them. It isn't a big deal imo because people can use the assets of others work to make it better or to help them start on their own project. So like the people who made KOFW they will be able to use a screenpack or have an asset to start on making their own.

 KOFZ creator did gave permission to KOFW creator 3 years ago when she requesting the screenpack, both of them buddy some more. They will never simply shared the materials without creator's permission. When they want to add other people's materials, they will always "ASK" for permission  and "NEVER" shared out without permission.
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#25  May 25, 2017, 05:54:32 pm
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I'm not trying to be that guy but didn't the people who made kof wing use assets from KOF Zillion to make its Screenpack and kof creations by other people? With you logic wouldn't Kof Wing be just as bad and need to be removed? Then all of mugen would have to be removed because people use characters and sprites from SNK and other official companies effectively "stealing" from them. It isn't a big deal imo because people can use the assets of others work to make it better or to help them start on their own project. So like the people who made KOFW they will be able to use a screenpack or have an asset to start on making their own.

and this is part of why the rules got changed 10 years ago.
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#26  May 25, 2017, 06:01:03 pm
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"Our policy is never removing "stolen" content. We just don't enforce creators' rights here." And this statement, is basically encourage the members of this forum go and steal other's project and shared out the materials without creator's permission. What kind of sense/logidc that make you think this is right especially you guys implement this policy years ago. I just don't get it, this is ridiculous.
Pffft, we don't encourage anyone to do anything. We are realists. Even if we banned the user from this forum he could find other outlet to release his "stolen" works. So what would be the point of that punishment? The "stolen" works would still exist and be available for download. You can't police the internet and we're not interested in trying.

If you're petty enough fill false DMCA takedowns on your own, we're not gonna "protect" your "property".
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#27  May 25, 2017, 06:43:06 pm
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I'm not trying to be that guy but didn't the people who made kof wing use assets from KOF Zillion to make its Screenpack and kof creations by other people? With you logic wouldn't Kof Wing be just as bad and need to be removed? Then all of mugen would have to be removed because people use characters and sprites from SNK and other official companies effectively "stealing" from them. It isn't a big deal imo because people can use the assets of others work to make it better or to help them start on their own project. So like the people who made KOFW they will be able to use a screenpack or have an asset to start on making their own.

 KOFZ creator did gave permission to KOFW creator 3 years ago when she requesting the screenpack, both of them buddy some more. They will never simply shared the materials without creator's permission. When they want to add other people's materials, they will always "ASK" for permission  and "NEVER" shared out without permission.

Oh then I apologize.

But the point I'm trying to make is that if we actually do this rule where we ask everyone it becomes a pointless search. What if someone who wanted to make say a Geonitz for mugen would they have to go and ask the original voice actor to use the voice. Or anytime someone wants to make a mugen fullgame they would have to ask Elecbyte for the permission to use the engine. It just down spirals into a week or two of just asking people some that dont want to be bothered with. I understand giving credit to show that you got this work from other people so you don't claim it as your own. But how was this guy going to find the creator of KOFW to release the screenpack just like how would someone find an old SNK voice actor just to make a mugen character. It just ends up being a huge game of find the needle in the haystack that no one wants to play.
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#28  May 25, 2017, 06:50:08 pm
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I hate to be "that guy" but there is a 2 sides to this. The time spent making the content is what is "stolen". Wow it's been a long time since we had this discussion!

Think of it like this.

Someone drawing commission work that uses company IPs doesn't have to ask permission to do so. You still shouldn't take their art and sell it yourself.
Or duplicate their art or whatever.

EDIT: Doesn't even have to be commission even. DeviantArt is a good example.
Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 07:20:59 pm by Just No Point
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#29  May 25, 2017, 08:25:44 pm
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I dont get it, mugen creators let all this shit go to there
heads about ideas n shit. Yall stole ideas from snk, another
Dude stole your ideas stolen from snk, stop the shit please
Most of mugen is stolen ideas maybe 10-15% of content
Is original
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#30  May 25, 2017, 08:38:41 pm
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Is that directed at my post? Keep in mind I understand the logic but don't agree with it in regards to MUGEN. Everything I make is free to use I don't even ask for credit.

But the fact is it's still an art theft if you take without permission. That's why I only use stuff from ppl I know that are open and basically none of the Japanese :p

Or I used to. I'm pretty much to the point where I don't have to look at other's code anymore so that makes things a lot simpler. I'd probably be the next chuchoryu forgetting whom to credit!!!
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#31  May 25, 2017, 08:43:43 pm
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Is that directed at my post? Keep in mind I understand the logic but don't agree with it in regards to MUGEN. Everything I make is free to use I don't even ask for credit.

But the fact is it's still an art theft if you take without permission. That's why I only use stuff from ppl I know that are open and basically none of the Japanese :p

Or I used to. I'm pretty much to the point where I don't have to look at other's code anymore so that makes things a lot simpler. I'd probably be the next chuchoryu forgetting whom to credit!!!

Its directed to vegito who claimed a couple times last page his friends
idead were stolen
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#32  May 26, 2017, 12:44:54 am
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I love mentioning how one of the last straws for the rule change was when one japanese creator started forbidding people from posting screenshots of his character ( and he was far from being the only one, but that one did not even seem to have a semblance of a logical reason)