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How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#1 February 12, 2014, 09:35:58 pm

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ink said, February 02, 2014, 11:53:19 pm

Cool, how did you did that without making any antialiasing pixels appear?

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bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#2 February 12, 2014, 10:48:46 pm

Trinitronity said, February 12, 2014, 09:35:58 pm

Resize with Nearest Neighbor.

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#3 February 13, 2014, 05:33:49 pm

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Aside from FF3, what other programs have resizing with Nearest Neighbor?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#4 February 13, 2014, 06:03:41 pm

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msot iamge editing programs do, when it's not named nearest neighbour it's named pixel resize, same thing.

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#5 February 13, 2014, 09:08:47 pm

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maximilianjenus said, February 13, 2014, 06:03:41 pm

Are you sure? I cannot find that in GiMP or in IrfanView, and if I remember correctly, then both fall under the category of the most common image editing programs (well, at least for free)...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#6 February 19, 2014, 09:36:39 am

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Trinitronity said, February 14, 2014, 09:02:00 am

Okay, tried it out.
At first, it looked good, but when I tried to color-seperate the sprite, I notied a lot of anti-aliasing inbetween the shades and between the colors and the outline...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#7 February 19, 2014, 05:21:37 pm

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Optimize the palette to force certain colors to remain and it will adjust everything to the colors that you want.

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#8 February 19, 2014, 07:32:25 pm

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Hoshi said, February 19, 2014, 05:21:37 pm

Uhm...how do I do that?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#9 March 08, 2014, 11:35:21 am

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Seems to be.
Thankfully, the outline anti-aliasing can be easily removed with the correct programs.
However, I do have problems with the sprites having anti-aliasing between the shades when scaling them down.
BTW, could someone please help me there with that problem? Thanks in advance!

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#10 March 08, 2014, 01:04:37 pm

aka G.o.D.

Index the sprite/s (I chose Indexed, then 32 colours, but you can choose any number, and Interpolation = None) and then scale (I scaled it to 25%):

there still is some antialiasing, but you can edit the sprites.

I used Gimp.

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#11 March 08, 2014, 01:29:40 pm

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Alex Sinigaglia said, March 08, 2014, 01:04:37 pm

Well, I use GIMP, too.

And thanks for the suggestion! Gonna try it out now!

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#12 March 19, 2014, 09:30:13 am

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Trinitronity said, March 08, 2014, 01:29:40 pm

Well, I have tried it out, although I had to use 64 colours instead of 32, so the sprite doesn't look bad, and yep, still too much anti-aliasing.
Could someone please tell me how I can resize sprites with zero antialiasing? Thanks in advance!

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#13 March 19, 2014, 04:21:21 pm

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Apply the palette before resizing.

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#14 March 20, 2014, 06:29:28 pm

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maximilianjenus said, March 19, 2014, 04:21:21 pm

Sorry, but I still get too much antialiasing, especially on the most trouble places (shades near the outline). I'm not even resizing the sprite to 25% of the original size, but only 50% of the original size.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#15 March 20, 2014, 06:32:15 pm

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you palette is not good enough then. go for 5 shades per colour.

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#16 March 20, 2014, 06:34:29 pm

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Excuse me, but how do I do that with GiMP? And what do you mean with "your palette is not good enough"?
I only knew about the antialiasing, because I tried to colorseperate the sprite.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#17 March 20, 2014, 06:35:24 pm

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you don't know how to make a palette ?

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#18 March 20, 2014, 06:36:04 pm

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maximilianjenus said, March 20, 2014, 06:35:24 pm

I know, how to make a palette.
I just don't know how I can resize sprites with zero antialiasing...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#19 March 20, 2014, 06:42:45 pm

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choose 5 or less tones per colour of the character, make your palette like that, apply ti to the character before resizing, if it looks good, resize.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#20 March 20, 2014, 06:53:39 pm

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Okay, but how do I remove certain colours from the colour table in GiMP?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#21 March 20, 2014, 07:08:41 pm

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I ahve no idea , I don't use gimp.

Posted: March 20, 2014, 08:16:28 pm
I use gfx gale instead, the disadvatage is that it only work with png files.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#22 March 20, 2014, 09:03:58 pm

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I'm sorry, but I don't have gfx gale, and I don't want to get image editing programs, that actually cost money...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#23 March 20, 2014, 09:13:32 pm

aka G.o.D.

Graphics Gale doesn't cost money, I mean you can pay for it but you can always choose the free version.

How can you do it with GFX Gale, [E]?

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#24 March 20, 2014, 10:52:21 pm

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you can just copy and paste colours using it, so you do the typical stuff of creating a new palette in an image while copying colours from the actual sprite, then apply the palette. teh copy /paste palete entries commands are hiding behind keyboard shortcuts, so you have to go to the program's preferences to configure them

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#25 March 21, 2014, 04:45:06 pm

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Wait, I have understood the copying and pasteing of colours, but how do I remove colours from a colour table?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#26 March 21, 2014, 04:58:49 pm

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you paste teh transaprent color over them.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#27 March 21, 2014, 06:18:59 pm

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Yeah, but that's not removing them, but just replacing them...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#28 March 21, 2014, 10:54:15 pm

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#29 March 22, 2014, 10:18:40 am

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What do you mean?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#30 March 22, 2014, 11:28:48 am

aka G.o.D.

Replacing colours with trasparency is like deleting colours.

Think about this:
when you use the rubber in Gimp (and you added the alpha channel), you're erasing colours, with the trasparent colour; in other words you're replacing the colours with trasparency.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#31 March 22, 2014, 02:47:20 pm

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Oh, I never thought about it that way...
...thanks, gonna try out GFX Gale then.
EDIT: LOL, looks like I already have GFX Gale without noticing.
Anyway, does someone know, how I can index images with GFX Gale? I cannot seem to find an option, which would do that...
...hell, I cannot even find an option, which would resize the image...

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 02:57:31 pm by Trinitronity

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#32 March 22, 2014, 07:09:27 pm

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click teh menus up there, usaully the options dealing with palette and colur are the oens that deal with the whole image not just the current frame.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#33 March 22, 2014, 07:53:50 pm

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Thanks, I found it.
Sadly, GFX Gale's outcome is actually worse.
However, I just found an idea, which I would like to try out first.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#34 March 22, 2014, 08:51:03 pm

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post a screencapture of your gfx gale with the unrezised sprite and the palette.

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#35 March 22, 2014, 09:01:00 pm

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Okay, I tried out my method, and it worked.
Too bad that I actually already did some great mistakes before, wich caused the sprite to have too much black, resulting in an kinda-but-not-really-MvC3 feeling.
Also, with my problem basically being solved, do you still want me to post the screencaps?

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#36 March 22, 2014, 09:11:25 pm

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yes, this topic should never die.

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#37 March 22, 2014, 09:19:37 pm

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Uhm, okay.
Also, before I post, I just want to reiterate that it only started to look worse, when I have resized the sprite after indexing the sprite with the color count of 64.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#38 March 22, 2014, 10:01:22 pm

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Okay, just recently, I have found out that someone released an early alpha of Filia, and I looked into the SFF, just to see that the creator did NOT resized the sprites.
So I guess I will also do the same and will do the resizing through Localcoord. That way, there are actually lots of advantages going on here.
I just go and solve this thread then.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#39 March 23, 2014, 12:05:04 am

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Wow. Epic ending

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Re: How do I scale SkullGirls sprites to be lower resolution without antialias?

#40 March 23, 2014, 01:20:21 pm

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Okay, I also actually tried out the indexing again without the resizing, and it really looks 10 times better now.
So yeah, that's all, folks.

bitter nothings said, April 30, 2010, 09:35:51 pm

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#41 March 23, 2014, 01:55:30 pm

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Wish I would have seen this earlier. Which character are you trying to resize?

Indexing your colors can get tricky because you want to choose which colors to keep and which ones to get ride of. It will look bad if you just leave it up to a program to limit the colors.

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#42 March 29, 2014, 07:32:26 pm

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ink said, March 23, 2014, 01:55:30 pm

Well, I originally wanted to do one of my favorite characters I could theoretically code right away (Peacock, Big Band and Squigly, because Fortune and her head system will give me headaches), but because of optional animation standards, I'm forced to do Cerebella first (ugh, a grappler, I'm not feeling very comfortable with them and their 360 degree inputs). But like I said, I don't need to resize them anymore. I just try to index the sprites now without the resizing, so Localcoord could then later do the needed job.

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