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Started by Skank88, August 28, 2007, 12:04:29 pm
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You want the request section closed or open?

Closed, too spamming and leechers!!!
48 (60%)
Open, because i can't make request!
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None
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#1  August 28, 2007, 12:04:29 pm
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I've seen the request section...is a really trashcan!!! Spamming, Leechers, Chatrooming, Too request!!!!

NOW STOP!!!!

Who wants request section closed?


This poll is like a petition form!

(bad english, sorry!)


PS: please correct the poll to the "open" response.... i've writed "can't" but is "can"...sorry :P
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#2  August 28, 2007, 12:14:18 pm
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You know, the staff is going to let it as is for now, because closing it would be against all what they're now "fighting" for.

Thing is, the "rules" (if we can call that rules) is to use common-sense and self-moderation.
This worked pretty well when the section was closed and only accessible by contributors or above because, well, contributor know what they're doing, and are often smart enough to avoid bullshit.

Now that anybody can answer and talk, you'll get to see more and more trash. Why ? Because you can't ask people who are as intelligent as George W. Bush to self-moderate themselves. Hell, anarchy only leads to more anarchy.

IMO, rules need to be set for the request section. The actual rules would work only for intelligent people, which is not the case here. Don't forget that the rules are made so that even the dumbest people would apply them : if everybody knew how to drive like Mickael Shumacher, there wouldn't be any need to put speed limitations.
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#3  August 28, 2007, 12:16:48 pm
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i know but there is too spamming!

Make a request system!

one request a day for all members...
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#4  August 28, 2007, 12:25:31 pm
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:laugh: And how would the staff check that ? They'd have to spend their whole time checking if people didn't request more than one creation... and the problem is they DON'T WANT to moderate this very part of the forum. ;P

Oh, and just so that you know, you're forgetting a word in your sentence :
i know but there is too much spamming!
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#5  August 28, 2007, 12:55:32 pm
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#6  August 28, 2007, 01:05:21 pm
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#7  August 28, 2007, 01:45:57 pm
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one request a day for all members...

that could work...

I agree with you it's going wild there. At first we thought of a system that a thread would be delayed by two days (you make a request topic, two days later it's shown), but we dropped it for technical reasons. Might need some kind of replacement for that though...
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I don't see the problem with the request section.

The spammers are just old members and members from other mugen boards. Many making new accounts to spam.

I'll start kicking a few here and there. And it's just 1 section, why do I care if a section I will never use is chaos?
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#10  August 28, 2007, 02:45:49 pm
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...because it sucks for people who want to make a serious request, unlike guys like kangaroo who make like one topic every three hours --;
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#11  August 28, 2007, 02:50:46 pm
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You must change the rules!! I want the old guild back!!! :'( :'(
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...because it sucks for people who want to make a serious request, unlike guys like kangaroo who make like one topic every three hours --;
Should make a membergroup that limits the # of posts in the area by a member. Then we can simply apply it to users that are abusing the section.
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#13  August 28, 2007, 02:56:21 pm
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I made a request in that section, but it's rather a ressource request (sprites in fact) than a character or stage or whatever is just for player.

Shouldn't you add another child section in the ressource section so that people can continue requesting stuff for their WIPs without having their topic being ignored because of the thousands of other request topics around it ?
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#14  August 28, 2007, 02:58:55 pm
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I've asked them to do that many times now =P
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#15  August 28, 2007, 03:01:21 pm
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Maybe, given a few weeks, they'll burn out with the private/beta/etc requests a bit.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#17  August 28, 2007, 03:11:16 pm
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Don't really matter really. If you don't like the section, don't go there. ;)
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#18  August 28, 2007, 03:45:15 pm
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yeah, the Request section there is no order, not baned to the indicated and like also they do not erase his IP either (I don´t want say names).
What they all want is that changes the respect of some persons (I don´t want say names too) towards the users.
I knew more people that hate the Guild for that, always insults, blame of theft, is just this site that do this.
I look too that one contributor of here continue insulting, this person deserved that the baned a lot of time ago.
A contributor that insult??? WTF????
I WANT THAT THE GUILD CHANGE FOR BETTER.
thanks...  ;D
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#20  August 28, 2007, 04:03:26 pm
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#21  August 28, 2007, 04:09:52 pm
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The request board needs to be moderated. It's as simple as that.

It's the people who are request and are just damn rude in the process. Virtually nobody appears to be thankful for anything, these noobs are irritating.
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#22  August 28, 2007, 04:16:23 pm
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I share your pain guys, I know I'm not a contributor level or anything like that, hopefully yet, but it is somehow less spammed/out of control over at MugenBR, so maybe this is simply something people are getting out of their system or rebelling against staff with for making the changes. Afterall, with so many members, who's stopping anyone from creating multiple accounts and doing such a rebellious act as being an asshole on the requests board?

I'd like to give staff more credit than I think that paragraph implies, though.

I made a serious request for EvilOrochi, whether Beta or not, he looks pretty complete, and I just want a copy of to play around with. If he sucks, I'll delete him, but hell, I could tell you I simply wanted him for nostalgia and it wouldn't matter because to anyone else, I can say one thing and mean another, despite my true intentions, which are to play.

My thread was spammed, I tried to get it back on track, but two more people with rather lackluster spelling showed up and requested him too, before anyone had even announced they had a copy to send!

Now, I feel as though SO many people have requested characters, that I can't possibly recieve my request, or get an answer like "he's only an alpha stage creation" to solve my pain so I can move on with my life. I just want some closure....My thread is buried, and so will everyone else's be until people stop requesting so much and someone can finally start helping others out, if anyone is willing for it.

What I'd suggest has already been stated, partly, I think.

Create a separate request forum, hidden from regular members, where contributors and up can request characters from each other, and let the idiots currently browsing and spamming the request forum keep their crappy forum.

Thanks, I'll step off of my soap box now.
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#23  August 28, 2007, 04:19:05 pm
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Create a separate request forum, hidden from regular members, where contributors and up can request characters from each other, and let the idiots currently browsing and spamming the request forum keep their crappy forum.
That's an idea BUT ... BUT ... it would be like going back to the old system which was there 2 days ago. ;P
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#24  August 28, 2007, 04:23:57 pm
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Well, I would say it is, and it isn't, because at least the SERIOUS people can be somewhat satisfied under the new system, and the dingbats who want to post a new thread everty two seconds for a character that can easily be found ten seconds into a Google search without having to wait for someone to reply with the character, can do as they wish.

It would still be at our discretion with the current rules, but would consist solely of people who were really comitted to Mugen, rather than looking for a five minute fix on a character they'll only play once.
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#25  August 28, 2007, 04:30:27 pm
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Even if two separate forums for requests were made, what about the ones who wants to see serious requests but are non-contributors? Are they just screwed because you don't like the ones who *are* posting those requests you don't like?

In any case, I wouldn't agree with the split Request areas as well.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#27  August 28, 2007, 04:37:21 pm
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Well, Panzer, considering that I'm only a user as well, I would be giving up my right to seriously request in such a forum, now wouldn't I?

The only thing to do then is to actually contribute, somehow, even if it's only something obvious, to the point where someone can say, "Hey, he belongs in the contributors group" and voila, I would then be able to request.

But hey, it was only an idea, and it would allow for less work for staff as well, I would hope...
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#28  August 28, 2007, 04:37:52 pm
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there will be no separate request forum based on user level.
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#29  August 28, 2007, 04:41:19 pm
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Well, Panzer, considering that I'm only a user as well, I would be giving up my right to seriously request in such a forum, now wouldn't I?

The only thing to do then is to actually contribute, somehow, even if it's only something obvious, to the point where someone can say, "Hey, he belongs in the contributors group" and voila, I would then be able to request.

But hey, it was only an idea, and it would allow for less work for staff as well, I would hope...

I'm not sure of that. With these new open source rules, I wouldn't put it pass some people to make minor edits of characters just to get creator status, or for that matter, pulling an Oohwhap.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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#30  August 28, 2007, 07:26:42 pm
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and they will probably get the same kind of respect oohwap did. and never do it again. :)
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#31  August 28, 2007, 07:34:22 pm
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one request a day for all members...

that could work...

I agree with you it's going wild there. At first we thought of a system that a thread would be delayed by two days (you make a request topic, two days later it's shown), but we dropped it for technical reasons. Might need some kind of replacement for that though...

Php :yes:

You cud probably set a variable when a user post's a topic. And then reset (seems like I am talking about some Mugen stuff :P) it when 24 hours have passed.
I Dont know if its possable tho ;P i know Notinhg about Php :D
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#32  August 28, 2007, 07:39:34 pm
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Well, Panzer, considering that I'm only a user as well, I would be giving up my right to seriously request in such a forum, now wouldn't I?

The only thing to do then is to actually contribute, somehow, even if it's only something obvious, to the point where someone can say, "Hey, he belongs in the contributors group" and voila, I would then be able to request.

But hey, it was only an idea, and it would allow for less work for staff as well, I would hope...

I'm not sure of that. With these new open source rules, I wouldn't put it pass some people to make minor edits of characters just to get creator status, or for that matter, pulling an Oohwhap.
oh were going to see alot of that  :D
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#33  August 28, 2007, 08:13:00 pm
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i hate the new mugenguild now  >:(

*HINT* unrequestables list........
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#35  August 28, 2007, 08:16:27 pm
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IMO, the request section needs to have at least some moderation. How about this:
Each member can only have one thread at the requests. And in that thread, he'd make all his requests. So the requests section isn't flooded by requests by the same guy (ejm, Kangaroo). Something like "LotF's WIPs", but for requests issues: "LotF's Request Thread"

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Create a separate request forum, hidden from regular members, where contributors and up can request characters from each other, and let the idiots currently browsing and spamming the request forum keep their crappy forum.
That's an idea BUT ... BUT ... it would be like going back to the old system which was there 2 days ago. ;P
I liked that idea too. So what if it more less roots back to the "old system"?

Just some suggestions. Oh yeah, I fucking hate that cordiality, respect, tolerance is no more in that section too  :S.

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#36  August 28, 2007, 08:18:37 pm
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That's not a bad idea.

Now you can never unsee it.
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#37  August 28, 2007, 08:19:16 pm
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wow, that does actually sound really good.

let me ask the others, but I really like the idea and it's easy to implement.
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Most of the disrespect in that section is stemming from people trying to make that area worse. You don't normally see people acting like that in other request boards. And not all request boards on other forums have unrequestable lists.
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#39  August 28, 2007, 08:22:10 pm
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#40  August 28, 2007, 08:30:58 pm
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#41  August 28, 2007, 08:33:54 pm
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wow, that does actually sound really good.
Problem with that is what if you want to request a character somebody else has, would you bother them for it or what?
Uh... you just request it and problem solved? Explain, I didn't fully understand your point.
Think of it like this, You have the character, you posted your email address...

Tons of people want said character, they bombard your email, sounds fun, right?
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A better question would be would this replace the buttons? If you get 1 topic to post in the section then there would be no point for the character, stage, etc buttons
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#43  August 28, 2007, 08:39:06 pm
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Think of it like this, You have the character, you posted your email address...

Tons of people want said character, they bombard your email, sounds fun, right?
It is.
Then you can block them.

Well, not the lolis.
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#44  August 28, 2007, 08:39:20 pm
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wow, that does actually sound really good.
Problem with that is what if you want to request a character somebody else has, would you bother them for it or what?
Uh... you just request it and problem solved? Explain, I didn't fully understand your point.
Think of it like this, You have the character, you posted your email address...
Tons of people want said character, they bombard your email, sounds fun, right?
I guess that's one good reason to then use sendspace and that stuff. Also, PM could help, in the case of using email. And if you use this: "send to lotf at gmail dot com", it reduces your spam targetability in 90%. People are too lazy. Most don't read or even care to interpret. But yeah, I'm just giving a suggestion. I have no administration powah.

A better question would be would this replace the buttons? If you get 1 topic to post in the section then there would be no point for the character, stage, etc buttons
They can still be used in the release/wip sections. Do mods/administrators get their life force drained if in the request section people don't necessarily use those tags ???.

Just "legislating"  ;D. Law school ftw.

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#45  August 28, 2007, 08:40:40 pm
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wow, that does actually sound really good.
Problem with that is what if you want to request a character somebody else has, would you bother them for it or what?
Uh... you just request it and problem solved? Explain, I didn't fully understand your point.
Think of it like this, You have the character, you posted your email address...
Tons of people want said character, they bombard your email, sounds fun, right?
I guess that's one good reason to then use sendspace and that stuff. Also, PM could help, in the case of using email. And if you use this: "send to lotf at gmail dot com", it reduces your spam targetability in 90%. People are too lazy. Most don't read or even care to interpret

I still get emails for a post I made like that about a year ago at MGBR's request forum
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Well, um... you could always send the undesirables my way...
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A better question would be would this replace the buttons? If you get 1 topic to post in the section then there would be no point for the character, stage, etc buttons
yeah, it should. it's not like people in requests are using them anyway :(
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#48  August 28, 2007, 08:45:20 pm
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Lol at an organized warehoused attempt.

I already proved the chinese won you on that. There was no need to screw mugenguild :3
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Lol at an organized warehoused attempt.

I already proved the chinese won you on that. There was no need to screw mugenguild :3

actually, if you plan to put mods in the request section that is, I would suggest Wolfmage here become a mod for that section. He has done pretty well at answering requests and keeping "some" order over there from what I can see.
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#50  August 28, 2007, 08:55:00 pm
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Nah, I'm better pissing off mods:P Plus I post warehouses. :-X
But three mods at least would be needed there.
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If we go with the 1 topic per user for Requests we can always allow the topic starter to have moderation powers over his own topic. That can help prevent spam. Don't like the replies being given? Delete them!
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#53  August 28, 2007, 09:02:31 pm
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If we go with the 1 topic per user for Requests we can always allow the topic starter to have moderation powers over his own topic. That can help prevent spam. Don't like the replies being given? Delete them!

I like that, I was trying to figure something like this out earlier.
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#54  August 28, 2007, 09:03:14 pm
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If we go with the 1 topic per user for Requests we can always allow the topic starter to have moderation powers over his own topic. That can help prevent spam. Don't like the replies being given? Delete them!

That would be an "excellent" idea. It would cut down on the number of topics, and hopefully cut down on spam. Perhaps a poll should be put up for this idea?
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#55  August 28, 2007, 09:11:49 pm
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If this idea does get approved, I demand credit for it :P. And maybe a cookie.

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#56  August 28, 2007, 09:15:19 pm
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open, isn't this forum about having the char you want? pp just need to be more helpful with others and open char shops or something like that.


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#58  August 28, 2007, 09:18:58 pm
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If this idea does get approved, I demand credit for it :P. And maybe a cookie.
No u.
Your ideas were opensourced by martial law since a while ago.

They are belong to us.
OH NOEZ

open, isn't this forum about having the char you want? pp just need to be more helpful with others and open char shops or something like that.
This forum is for sharing, collaborating, helping, getting helped in Mugen projects. Not ONLY a forum from "having the char you want".

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true...
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#62  August 29, 2007, 12:32:17 am
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The tags kick ass  8)
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How about a karma when you send someone something.  You start with so much and can't post anymore if you don't answer a request?


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How about a karma when you send someone something.  You start with so much and can't post anymore if you don't answer a request?
Just by replying to topics you get karma? Or someone has to give it to you? Either way I don't see it working.
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#67  August 29, 2007, 01:06:42 am
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Do the tags have to be forcefully used in the Requests area ??? Like Titlin said, most don't even use them in that area.

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request is the place where your learn how to moderate yourself.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
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You had better check post history to see if the person gives karma for fullfilling requests. Otherwise you could run out of karma real fast!
Then you would have to make another account or something.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#71  August 29, 2007, 01:16:18 am
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sounds a bit like ebay. successful sale with no problems gives good credits.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#72  August 29, 2007, 01:19:09 am
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I've been playing that in M.I.
When first saw it thought that I was in Dr. Moreau's Island... was very strange...

 --; To be honest I never liked being "tipped" too much. The person I like most in there never did it, which I found cool.

 Oh well, but others seemed to find it fun, why not.

Re: NOW STOP!!!
#73  August 29, 2007, 01:32:28 am
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dont requset my chars tey r prevet
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#74  August 29, 2007, 11:03:39 am
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Awesome. Some very interesting posts here.

Appreciated. Thumbs up, and sorry that we're not reacting instantly. But something will come of this. :)
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#75  August 29, 2007, 11:55:57 am
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If you allow negative karma, odds are some people will give it frequently and maybe randomly just to cut down on the amount of requests - but maybe if only the topic author can do it, and only once per user that replies to the topic things might work out.
Who knows, maybe that'd even help to encourage the "1 topic, 1 creation" idea that would make the use of the tags more efficient...

Edit: if only people who have karma can request, and only people who requested can give karma to their replies, to kickstart the process perhaps only contributors initially could make requests - that star in in the profile would count as 1 karma.

That, in turn, inspires another idea: if there's a doubt on how to further attribute contributor status, perhaps an analogous system could be used in the releases section, only people with a contributor star would vote on topic starters...

Edit 2: perhaps the releases thing would at allow a tentative, non-official pre-contributor title for admins to discuss or something, since it's easy to see a purely user-based title/feedback/access system being abused...
Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 03:42:00 pm by Loona
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#76  August 29, 2007, 04:49:14 pm
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I like the karma idea (wonders why it isn't in play.) and I'd like to make a serious request without sounding like a complete leecher....That's right kiddies, I can't because...wait for it...you have idiots like kangaroo post every few hours.  Instead of the does it exist thread should have just posted all the available and open sites that have MUGEN chacters or stages.
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#77  August 30, 2007, 04:46:10 am
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Thing is, the "rules" (if we can call that rules) is to use common-sense and self-moderation.
This worked pretty well when the section was closed and only accessible by contributors or above because, well, contributor know what they're doing, and are often smart enough to avoid bullshit.


But have a lot of people here don't think in this way of common-sense and self moderation.
It's a shame.
:(
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#78  August 30, 2007, 08:13:28 am
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I may be repeating something that has already been said, but does it seem to you guys like there could be angry creators hiding behind different IPs signing up JUST to flood the request forum, and or just generally troll this place from time to time?  I know that troll is trooooooooolllllll, but some of this stuff seems a little premeditated.
Good news for all of you.

I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

Well, ungoodbye to you all and I hope you all burn in hell.

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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#79  August 30, 2007, 08:14:54 am
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Thing is, the "rules" (if we can call that rules) is to use common-sense and self-moderation.
This worked pretty well when the section was closed and only accessible by contributors or above because, well, contributor know what they're doing, and are often smart enough to avoid bullshit.


But have a lot of people here don't think in this way of common-sense and self moderation.
It's a shame.
:(
let the ban do the common sense part for them then, if it gets to be too much at times.
Good news for all of you.

I'm banned forever.

Please, just let the ban quietly pass and whatever you do, I beg you, DO NOT CHEER. Do not celebrate that you've won about the fact that I'm banned forever. Let it slide, PLEASE DO NOT CHEER. Don't cause me to shitpost again. I didn't even recall making a shitty post before I got perma'd. I hated this forum anyway. It doesn't even feel I'm taking part in a MUGEN forum.

Well, ungoodbye to you all and I hope you all burn in hell.

- Peter
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#80  August 30, 2007, 10:28:55 am
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Everybody should now be able to delete replies to their own topic in the request section.

I could also enable the POWA to modify replies to your own topics there, and the chaos goddess would be pleased, but... heh, this should be enough. =)

More things are are being discussed. edit: aaaand thanks again for all your thoughts
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#81  August 30, 2007, 05:50:39 pm
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Is it possible to implement a change in that sectin that makes it impossible for the topic author to bump it no matter how often (s)he posts? That would make it possible to post a brief "thank you" note without sinking other topics, while making it useless to be obnoxious by insisting on the request.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#82  August 30, 2007, 05:55:14 pm
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Loona, I think the best way to implement that idea would be to make the threads and forum work in alphabetical order and each thread would be by the creators name, like so:

Ichierzen's request thread
Loona's requests
Sepp's needs
etc.

The threads won't move, but whenever someone posts again, the flashy "NEW" blue thing will show up.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#83  August 30, 2007, 06:00:54 pm
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think of poor Zyxel :(
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#84  August 30, 2007, 06:06:05 pm
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I don't see how that would make things more efficient - it'd just annoy the people with usernames in the middle of the alphabet who'd have to click several times in the section's page list until they found their topic: peolpe with names starting with A would have it easy in the firt page, and the Zs could just skip to the last one, but people in between, after the thing's a few pages long would have to click every 3 or 5 pages or so to find theirs. Besides, it'd be inneficcient in the case of people who'd only every make a single request yet had an A username, keeping them perpetually in the first page... I don't think it'd be worth it...

I'm more partial to merging topics about the same creation, it might make it easier to know where to find something and de-clutters the section.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#85  August 30, 2007, 06:09:16 pm
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opened or closed,who cares, we don't set the rules the staff does, we are only to followe the rules as we always do..
it is useless to speak in that matter, the staff has best judgement,just obey them and you might feel content with your self...
obey the current rules --;
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#86  August 30, 2007, 06:12:22 pm
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wow, your ability to judge the situation is... interesting. actually, the staff has stated multiple times that we are unhappy with the request forum as it is and we're working on it. but ideas don't fall from the skies you know, it's been not even four days ;)

In the staff forum (see there for details) we have pretty much found "one thread per user + double-posting sends you to edit (your) last post in the thread within 7 days" to be a good middle ground

how's that sound?
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#87  August 30, 2007, 06:14:40 pm
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It would require moderation to merge the topics since i bet the requesters would be too ignorant to follow this rule anyway
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#88  August 30, 2007, 09:47:54 pm
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In the staff forum (see there for details) we have pretty much found "one thread per user + double-posting sends you to edit (your) last post in the thread within 7 days" to be a good middle ground
how's that sound?
Wow  :o. Who's the genious that came up with that brilliant idea  ;D.
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#89  August 30, 2007, 10:58:39 pm
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i think we should put an unrequestable list, first of all, if a newbie comes in and requests a "unrequestable" characters, most members will take a piss all over him --;
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#90  August 30, 2007, 11:08:32 pm
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you can't request an unrequestable list.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#91  August 30, 2007, 11:11:13 pm
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everything is requestable now  --;

[size=5pt]even that list : P[/size]
pls
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#92  August 30, 2007, 11:39:36 pm
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i think we should put an unrequestable list, first of all, if a newbie comes in and requests a "unrequestable" characters, most members will take a piss all over him --;

Just because someone requests something doesn't mean (s)he'll get it, and from the comments that might pop up in the request thread in the meantime that person may realise what kind of problem there may be with the creation in question - that may discourage the imitation of whatever reason made the request get frowned upon should that person ever do more than request.
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#93  August 30, 2007, 11:44:28 pm
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lol.
I'm loving that request board.

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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#94  August 31, 2007, 03:18:16 pm
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Would it be cool then, if we could make a "Don't expect to get it list," containing names of characters that the majority of us don't want out there, such as the stolen Betas and Alphas, including but not limited to those of the Scruffy Dragon's (DCvM)?

There's a lot of debate in that forum about people complaining we aren't giving out chars, when people like Wolfmage are basically giving all they can. This way, we can outline, as members, what we are and are not comfortable handing out, and I think it might curb some of the arguments.

Though, a just as simple argument against it is that the hungry n00bs don't read the damn sticked threads anyway....
Re: NOW STOP!!!
#95  September 02, 2007, 10:41:18 pm
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I fail to see what the issue is...let the people request all they want, even the spammers. In any case, all they can do is REQUEST. It's not up to them to obtain the characters they are requesting, it's up to the creators to decide if they should give the requesters what they are asking for. The creators are the ones who should decide which among the requesters really deserve to get what they want.

I guess what I am trying to see is...USE YOUR OWN DISCRETION. Sort out the assholes from the non-assholes, respond to requests from those you have a good feeling about, and everything should be fine. Nothing is perfect, and never will be, so...this is a dead issue in my opinion. And if anyone is spamming requests on that board, the easiest solution would be to simply suspend their accounts or ban them...
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Re: NOW STOP!!!
#96  September 02, 2007, 10:45:26 pm
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Some people change when you're good with them. Others have no fix though.
However you can't judge until you get to help them and know them a bit, only then one can decide.

Relying in what heart tells is even stronger than any banning button. Banning silences only some people, but doesn't change the way they are... some could be good inside.
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#97  September 07, 2007, 02:47:18 am
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Okay, in essence, this is a "voting off the island" sort of idea.

Since we have to moderate ourselves in that forum, and we don't have any real power over much more than our own thread, when someone posts a retarded thread, and keeps posting said threads, regardless of what anyone, out of good nature, tells them, that we as a group can vote their access taken from the request section.

I say this because there are a few members, and more keep coming, who'll post so vaguely, not mind their manners, post multiple topics, bump threads after only but a few hours, etc, that those of us that try and help get frustrated by the fact that they aren't listening.

Having been staff on a forum before, I know the easy answer is to only ignore them, and not pay any attention to their actions, but even then you get people who'll post links to creations that aren't what you requested, just crap renamed to look as such.

I'm only suggesting this because we have to moderate it ourselves, and when it's thread after thread after thread of the same BS, it gets very tiring. That's especially so when other users, such as those who actually help the other members obtain characters try to get one ourselves, the n00bs and leechers post 77 threads which're relatively impossible to accomodate and force our requests to a new page, meaning they won't get answered, so then we have to bump them, and look like an idiot.

Is there anything that can be done? Is there any compromise that can be met of this?
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Re: Survivor: Request section...
#99  September 07, 2007, 03:20:46 am
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Re: Survivor: Request section...
#100  September 07, 2007, 03:56:02 am
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Would it be possible to simply limit how many topics can be created in a x amount of time? Say a week?

I see no need for more than 3 topics needed a week. Unless Val is still going to implement the 1 topic per user idea.
Re: Survivor: Request section...
#101  September 07, 2007, 06:05:09 am
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i see bumping as a worse problem, currently.
Re: Survivor: Request section...
#102  September 07, 2007, 06:07:54 am
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i see bumping as a worse problem, currently.

Sadly, it seems that this is the only option.  When a non-retarded request is posted, it only stays on the first page for probably about an hour before it's knocked down by stupid noob requests.  Bumping is the only way to keep said valid requests in sight.
Re: Survivor: Request section...
#103  September 07, 2007, 11:00:47 am
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Interesting ideas.

No's to:

I wouldn't got for "voting off the island" (takes long, makes drama, takes a few minutes to register and unlock another account if you're voted off).

The bumping with double posts and the like has been brought up before, one suggestion was another forum mod that disallows bumping in that section--but

1) could be easily circumvented by two friends who bump each other's topic in turn
2) what Bane84 posted


What could be tried and done:

To improve the situation Valodim will eventually write a forum modification as suggested by L.o.t.F. and agreed upon by everybody here that allows only one topic per user in the request section (... yes but you could still register another account or: if only a third of the users have one request topic that's still 6,000 topics).

No matter the kind of technical restriction we might build... they can only help so much.

What else could be tried? Assigning moderators to the section. Meh. I can think of two ways, both could be tried

1) Giving section moderation power to "users, such as those who actually help the other members" and who are interested in having a better working request section. Depends on how many that might be. Having not checked the section much this week, I can think of around a handful of names at the moment. Hmmm. More? The more the merrier in this case, I suppose. And there's probably not gonna be a shortage of TAKE ME TAKE ME posts anyway. Hm.

2) Give all users moderation power for... okay no. XD
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Re: Survivor: Request section...
#104  September 07, 2007, 03:33:41 pm
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Thanks staff members, I appreciate it.
Re: Survivor: Request section...
#105  September 07, 2007, 04:44:35 pm
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note that if someone is to moderate the requests forums, he will moderate only that section, and he would mdoerate indictator mode, don't want headaches for the guy.
Re: Ideas for the request section
#106  September 07, 2007, 06:33:41 pm
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