Anjel said, June 30, 2008, 01:24:00 pmIN THE RIGHT CORNER, THEEEE WOOOOOORLD! IN THE LEFT CORNER, HHHHHHHJKKKKK!!!!GEET READYYY TO RUMMMBLE!I believe I'm the World Champ P.o.t.S. said, June 30, 2008, 11:49:47 amI think this is gonna turn out another coliseum if Sepp keeps dodging the question. Hasn't it been two days??
Sepp - My Sig said, June 30, 2008, 04:28:28 pmI believe I'm the World Champ that sir is impossible because everybody already knows that I AM CHAAAAAAAAAAAMP
I'm relucant to reply seriously to any of your posts anymore because replying once starts a cycle of misunderstandings that then require more and more and more and more posts---which, as you stressed repeatedly, take your time and mine---which I only invest if I'm having fun or are bored enough or care enough to go through with it. (Or a bunch of other reasons, ... point being, I won't do it without cause.)If you review our conversation in the previous coliseum, I think you'll find it ended when I ceased replying.If you review the personal message you sent me later, which said you hoped we didn't have a problem and that I wouldn't ignore you forever now (or something like that: no longer have the message) and asked for my input to one of your AI Watch topics, and I ignored that message... that was for the same reason: I had written you off as a futile conversation partner for the time being.Since a few days passed since then, you can consider the very few rather short posts I made in this topic to be double-checks (you're not the only one who doesn't entirely trust my assessments ) which you---in my opinion---then failed almost immediately.My brief entry post in this topic corrected you about a character I made and the only other thing it said was that balanced damage values across games don't exist, just look at the difference between KOF and SFA.A statement of the obvious for most interested. Not a challenge that cries out to be further discussed, not a question, not anything but a plain fact and the only thing it might say silently, with a bit of fantasy, is that ummm...of course MUGEN is heterogenous and imbalanced if you fill it with characters from different games; everybody knows that and it can hardly be otherwise. Simply making sort-of-accurate characters seems hard enough considering the low percentage of chars which are. And then also balancing them across MUGEN/games, even if only KOF and SF sounds so absurd that... why am I posting about this, why would anybody??PS.: I didn't spend nearly as much time with KOF or CvS as with SFA, but I played 'em all... a long time ago and can't now say with any confidence whether KOF or CvS hyper moves tend to do more damage. I'm don't hesitate to admit ignorance, I hesitate to reply seriously to you because sometimes I don't want to waste time.
- Let me just note that some parts of this reply will confuse you -- The last part of the reply is either a continuation of this topic, or where it will end -Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmSpoiler, click to toggle visibilty...Iced said, June 29, 2008, 10:24:48 pm...If the obvious is what comes across lately on your posts I would say by his actions its clear that he picked up on the obvious.You were saying, Iced??Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmI'm relucant to reply seriously to any of your posts anymore because replying once starts a cycle of misunderstandings that then require more and more and more and more posts---which, as you stressed repeatedly, take your time and mine---which I only invest if I'm having fun or are bored enough or care enough to go through with it. (Or a bunch of other reasons, ... point being, I won't do it without cause.)You'd sort of have to know a little bit extra about me to actually get me.Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmIf you review our conversation in the previous coliseum, I think you'll find it ended when I ceased replying.Yeah. A few of my replies in our Conversation were just me making a silent point, to no particular audience (the point went unspoken).Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmIf you review the personal message you sent me later, which said you hoped we didn't have a problem and that I wouldn't ignore you forever now (or something like that: no longer have the message) and asked for my input to one of your AI Watch topics, and I ignored that message... that was for the same reason: I had written you off as a futile conversation partner for the time being.Yes and No to, "I had written you off as a futile conversation partner for the time being."Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmSince a few days passed since then, you can consider the very few rather short posts I made in this topic to be double-checks (you're not the only one who doesn't entirely trust my assessments ) which you---in my opinion---then failed almost immediately.It's times like these that we might want to hold what we want to say back. *I would [fire], but my Mood won't allow it*Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmMy brief entry post in this topic corrected you about a character I made and the only other thing it said was that balanced damage values across games don't exist, just look at the difference between KOF and SFA.And this is where you could be wrong.In my post about your Chun-Li, I left a little message in the end, which was key.Bistard Wolf said, June 19, 2008, 05:26:47 pmAnyway, I believe that Sepp took down some of the SvC hyper damage (assuming Sepp creates for accuracy).The, "assuming that," is not literally me making an assumption, it is an "If" statement (the sentence is indefinite). I don't quite want to call it a "supposition" because then it could go in all sorts of confusing directions.Your reply post should have read:Sepp said, June 21, 2008, 10:41:39 pmI don't think so---and the assumption I did characters for accuracy (as if accuracy itself were a reason you made things for), would be wrong.to show that you acknowledged that my statement was indefinite.And yes, I know that balanced Damage across games doesn't exist, that's part of the point I was making here (but I'm mixing it in with some stuff that I probably should stop). I was suggesting that however Accurate the stuff in the specific chars were, maybe those elements should be toned down for more fairness (and if I were to explain that, my posts would become more insulting and far more pompous).Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmA statement of the obvious for most interested. Not a challenge that cries out to be further discussed, not a question, not anything but a plain fact and the only thing it might say silently, with a bit of fantasy, is that ummm...of course MUGEN is heterogenous and imbalanced if you fill it with characters from different games; everybody knows that and it can hardly be otherwise. Simply making sort-of-accurate characters seems hard enough considering the low percentage of chars which are. And then also balancing them across MUGEN/games, even if only KOF and SF sounds so absurd that... why am I posting about this, why would anybody??I'm really not just suggesting balancing across games, because I am not a fan of accuracy. I'm really suggesting balancing with what I see in Mugen overall. (*I dunno how to word this*) While making these points though, I think they're a waste and a lost cause from the beginning, so I give up before I even spell them out and, meh...Sepp said, June 30, 2008, 09:30:38 pmPS.: I didn't spend nearly as much time with KOF or CvS as with SFA, but I played 'em all... a long time ago and can't now say with any confidence whether KOF or CvS hyper moves tend to do more damage. I'm don't hesitate to admit ignorance, I hesitate to reply seriously to you because sometimes I don't want to waste time.I understand. I would pull back, but I spent a good amount of my time yesterday watching some more videos that seem to make some of the points posted here, not necessarily by you, wrong as far as I could see..
QuoteYou were saying, Iced??I am saying that according to your actions lately and your posts on the infantry, you are trolling by pretending to be dumb and trying to send whoever answers you into cycles, "answer the question! what were you saying?!" and it become extremely obvious.QuoteLOLNobody likes me there, because I sit and troll while I'm online.Where did all of this drama come from, friend.Did you read my explanations about the AI stuff...??fromhttp://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=107855.15pointed out to the moderators yesterday by some usersWhich is overall a waste of your capacities and is not proving anything you think it might be proving.
Iced said, July 01, 2008, 12:44:21 pmQuoteYou were saying, Iced??I am saying that according to your actions lately and your posts on the infantry, you are trolling by pretending to be dumb and trying to send whoever answers you into cycles, "answer the question! what were you saying?!" and it become extremely obvious.Well it's more than that...Iced said, July 01, 2008, 12:44:21 pmQuoteLOLNobody likes me there, because I sit and troll while I'm online.Where did all of this drama come from, friend.Did you read my explanations about the AI stuff...??fromhttp://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=107855.15pointed out to the moderators yesterday by some usersWhich is overall a waste of your capacities and is not proving anything you think it might be proving.I was wondering who from here would eventually see that. I would say it, but as you and Sepp both mentioned, it would be rude of me to make my classic, "..." post.
Everybody been seeing most of what you are doing, they just arent giving back that much recognition, cuz it seems to encourage you into thinking you arent wasting your time.I could even probably tell who you think you are emulating.
Iced said, July 01, 2008, 12:55:20 pmEverybody been seeing most of what you are doing, they just arent giving back that much recognition, cuz it seems to encourage you into thinking you arent wasting your time.That's not what I'm thinking. BTW, I already know that some people figured it out already. I'm very sure that PotS did, and with you insistence that Sepp did, I believed you from the second time you ever told me said it.And I'm not sitting here thinking I'm smarter than everyone else. Nothing I've posted (especially where names are conerned) has been accidental. Most of the time I just want to see what someone's reply will be.Iced said, July 01, 2008, 12:55:20 pmI could even probably tell who you think you are emulating.Who is that?Has that person posted here??
I agree with HJKHJK says: "I'm not entirely sure that you do. Knowing the way you have posted and from what I have gathered from your mentality I highly doubt you agree. I have a lot of respect for you but I wish you would just let me know what you really think" *Not trying to attack you, but man. You have an odd way of discussing things with people!*this was never a real quote. it was made entirely from fiction, based on how you seem to respond... now tell me why you wouldn't respond like thatSpoiler, click to toggle visibiltydon't really, I just know you will =P
Just No Point said, July 01, 2008, 02:37:40 pmSpoiler, click to toggle visibiltyI agree with HJKHJK says: "I'm not entirely sure that you do. Knowing the way you have posted and from what I have gathered from your mentality I highly doubt you agree. I have a lot of respect for you but I wish you would just let me know what you really think" *Not trying to attack you, but man. You have an odd way of discussing things with people!*this was never a real quote. it was made entirely from fiction, based on how you seem to respond... now tell me why you wouldn't respond like thatdon't really, I just know you will =PIt'll be long and drawn out. There's my answer.
Sepp - My Sig said, July 01, 2008, 01:02:56 pmNothing I've posed (especially where names are conerned) has been accidental. bahahaYou're correcting my English... I have you now.
Sepp - My Sig said, July 01, 2008, 01:02:56 pmIced said, July 01, 2008, 12:55:20 pmI could even probably tell who you think you are emulating.Who is that?Has that person posted here??It feels as if you are trying to emulate Byakko, "read my question! answer to that! I demand an answer from this person!"whilst being both less ( far less ) rude, but more wasteful of others time.Sorry,but its what it "feels" like.
Sepp said, July 01, 2008, 05:17:13 pmSepp - My Sig said, July 01, 2008, 01:02:56 pmNothing I've posed (especially where names are conerned) has been accidental. bahahaYou're correcting my English... I have you now. Oh Shit. I meant "posted."*Fixing*Anyway, the whhole English thing is part of it. I don't understand where it comes from, but has anyone ever noticed how many stupid topics/arguments get derailed into posts about Grammar or Diction. Some people's points are perfectly understandable, but people still go off on their stupid English tangents. I'm usually 'sitting up' making fun of it.Iced said, July 01, 2008, 05:24:23 pmSepp - My Sig said, July 01, 2008, 01:02:56 pmIced said, July 01, 2008, 12:55:20 pmI could even probably tell who you think you are emulating.Who is that?Has that person posted here??It feels as if you are trying to emulate Byakko, "read my question! answer to that! I demand an answer from this person!"whilst being both less ( far less ) rude, but more wasteful of others time.Sorry,but its what it "feels" like.Haha, nah. I like Byakko, but if anything I thought what I was doing was more like *****.BTW, I was wrong. PotS, doesn't believe it. I'm sure many others don't either, just as I'm sure that some people here are humoring me. But what can I do, except....
For those extremely bored curious, he means this:http://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=107894
P.o.t.S. said, July 01, 2008, 06:24:46 pmFor those extremely bored curious, he means this:http://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=107894Care to answer it??
Answer the question, point out what made you think it, answer why you thought it in the first place, why is that thought present?Kinda reaching there.Ps: you might be being trolled back.
Well I now have to ask why the thread got deleted and apparently PotS never replied. Iced said, July 01, 2008, 06:26:37 pmAnswer the question, point out what made you think it, answer why you thought it in the first place, why is that thought present?Kinda reaching there.Ps: you might be being trolled back.Well, it's a bummer that PotS never replied, but yeah, I was planning on trolling him.P.o.t.S. said, July 01, 2008, 06:24:46 pmFor those extremely bored curious, he means this:http://www.mugen-infantry.net/forum/index.php?topic=107894Oh PotS, oh PotS, you're so smart. It's kind of funny, because I posted like that on purpose. Oh wait, people from the Guild saw the last topic Laquak launched involving me, right. I guess it wouldn't have been safe to assume that people here would see another topic, with my name in the title, and read it? Hmmm, let's see. I just admitted to being a troll on another forum. I guess it wouldn't have been safe to think that there would be skeptics? What's the point? I knew that some fool would try to prove that I'm just an idiot in general, so I left the bait right where I thought it would be seen. As soon as that person read my redundant replies and posted about them, I was going to troll the living mess out of him/her by asking all sorts of questions. Don't you ever fucking tell me that you know who I am, got it.
Iced said, July 01, 2008, 10:01:55 pmYou just got re-trolled. That was exactly the reaction he was aiming for.I now owe him five bucks.Check my sig.Also I'm sure, he said something like, 'He'll say he knew somebody would post that.' You and Sepp point that out all the time.If he went further, hey I wanna know what he said.
I hesitated on replying but this is exactely how yestrday went down.Yesterday at Mugen-Infantry, I publickly called HJK out in front of everybody because I found out he had a hand in helping making AI for Chosen Ken. I remeber watching that chosen ken video beating 4 shotoclones and I was like "man thats really awesome". This was before I knew what goes on inside a Mugen character.After I started making my own mugen content I brought my morals into my creations. i.e. have as less NotHitBy's as I possibly can, have good clns and fair HitDef parameters (atleast to my thought process). The only thing I am guilty of is making my my characters combo alot and making them slighly faster then their original counterparts. Anyway, I though of HJK as a decent AI Coder at the time and he let me test his patches out and we talked in PM's and I liked what he had to say about what he thinks. HJK sent me Dan by Testu...well Dan is just not worthy of talk so we won't talk about Dan. My suspision thats something is not right started to develop after he sent me Terry by K.O.D. I knew that character wasn't right because of the stuff he did but I didn't bother with it because again, HJK's AI wasn't worthy enough to me, even though it was aggresive AI. I sent Chosen Ken with AI Patch out to a few guys to see if they can beat him because some guys at MI made a "Master Ken video" thread and shot videos with playing with various Ken by various creators. I wanted to shoot a video of me beating Chosen Ken with AI Patch so I loged of MI and went to go try. After a few losses I started to think that something is definately not right with this character and I opened him up in Fighter Factory and I was right. .air .cns were a complete mess. So I said ok, broken character. I went back on MI and HJK already posted that him and his cousin did the patch so thats when I got furious and publickly called HJK out in front of everybody because at that moment, judging by what I saw inside Chosen Ken, HJK was lower then low to have agreed to help for a AI patch. I made the thread that and asked HJK to send me all of his patches. I don't know why he hesitated but he didn't not send me anything so I had to get the patches from my own personal couriers.I didn't want to stop there so I went after K.O.D's Terry that HJK AI Patched. I looked inside Terrys .cns and .air, was right, and fixed and took the libery of fixing it up my self to make it fair and balanced...to my Mugen standards. I opened P.o.t.S Morrigan (Pre-Last Version, My favorite version) in Fighter Factory and I touched up some clns and modified all of her attacks and gave them default Mugen priority. After that I made 2 videos, .vs Terry and another one vs. Dan. Both where recored one time, at 250% life and Fast1 speed (my prefered speed). Updated or not, old or new, I called KOD out on behalf of HJK and vice versa and said what I said. I later found out that Terry was KOD's 1st creation and I should not give him crap for it. I agree and appologize, he doesn't deserve it...we all made mistakes when we started out. I have no beef and/or interest toward the situation with KOD.HJK was the one I was after. You still agreed/did work on that Chosen Ken *shakes head* and thats lower then Negy and Duxagi and their crew. You know what me and the guys at MI did to those patches for fun.I removed the thread I made at MI myself today, not because I was upset at the replies but because my point was proven for the time being, even though I may have carelessly jumped at KOD w/o knowing/carring if Terry was updated or not. I only did that because Tery did not follow my Mugen standards and I though your CLSN guide was very helpful (helped me out when I was building Master Hibiki). I was only fueled by finding out HJK did work on Chosen Ken and I draged your 1st born into this.@HJKPeople do change I agree, but the past will always linger and it seems as though people here at MFG have the right to say to what they say to you. Its kinda hard changing the present when the past is engraved with you.@MFG and Community.Maybe I was a bit hasty on what I did, but I like to look at peoples creations inside and just see how different authors do things, how the trigger sctrls, how their .air looks and all that because its fun for me. When I find something that like that + with AI, I look at the AI Coder and the creator as a whole and I make my judgment as a whole, not just the creator or AI Coder but both and I take what I see inside the character with it. There is no in the middle. If my actions where at some point inappropriate I want to appologize. Belive me I much rather talk about how hot Ayumi Hamasaki is Ultimately Ill do it on my own as far as Mugen stuff goes. But when in need, the one who made Morrigan Aensland and the one who talks to me in riddles I have the most respect for.
