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inadequate research fighting game genre,
#1  October 05, 2014, 06:23:50 pm
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  fighting game inaccuracies, like for one, how come there are more asian-americans than hispanic americans, when it comes to fighting games, but in real life there are more hispanics in america than there are even blacks. Another thing is cultural inaccuracies, say take for example Eric Windsor of Fightin' Spirit is supposed to be some biker outlaw or whatever but he's wearing tennie shoes, instead of boots....... Or Steve Fox, his mother was Nina Williams, Irish, but Steve is British. No mention of who his father was, but we do know he was on the run from the Mafia because he refused to throw a fight where they had money on him to take a dive (but he didn't take the dive), and Nina's father (steve's grandfather) was apparently involved in the Irish mafia. Maybe that can be chalked up to things being left to explore.

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#2  October 05, 2014, 06:45:26 pm
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#3  October 05, 2014, 06:50:57 pm
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#5  October 05, 2014, 09:45:52 pm
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The lack of linebreaks and improper use of commas make your already-difficult-to-read post even more difficult to understand.

To answer your question: Because it's fiction.

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#6  October 05, 2014, 09:48:43 pm
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I still don't understand the question.

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#7  October 05, 2014, 10:16:31 pm
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...I'm not entirely sure. Maybe? I mean the lack of proper punctuation doesn't help:
snake321 said, October 05, 2014, 06:23:50 pm
how come there are more asian-americans than hispanic americans, when it comes to fighting games, but in real life there are more hispanics in america than there are even blacks.
It's like reading one of Rufus' winquotes.

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#8  October 05, 2014, 10:48:11 pm
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#9  October 05, 2014, 11:11:51 pm
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#10  October 05, 2014, 11:14:14 pm
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snake321 said, October 05, 2014, 06:23:50 pm
Steve Fox, his mother was Nina Williams, Irish, but Steve is British.

So what? Canon wise, Nina's(& Anna's) mother is a British aikido fighter. Nationality has NOTHING to see in the videogames. If that, Kokoro(Japanese) being the half sister of Helena(French) in DoA would turn you crazy because you can't think on it.

Then we have:

snake321 said, October 05, 2014, 06:23:50 pm
No mention of who his father was, but we do know he was on the run from the Mafia because he refused to throw a fight where they had money on him to take a dive (but he didn't take the dive), and Nina's father (steve's grandfather) was apparently involved in the Irish mafia.

No one knows who's Steve's father. That's the only TRUED thing here. Everything ELSE is your supposition. Richard Wiliams(Nina's father) WAS NOT AN IRISH MAFIA GUY. He was an assassin, SUPPOSEDLY a member of the IRA.

Also, it seems that Nina's name is an acronym of No Irish Needs Apply, a phrase that was sometimes found in employment ads, due to Anti-Irish sentiment. Ironically, Nina herself is Irish, but doesn't have an Irish accent.

Check the tekken wiki:
http://tekken.wikia.com/wiki/Mrs._Williams    Nina's mother
http://tekken.wikia.com/wiki/Nina_Williams   Errr...yes, Nina's profile :P

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#11  October 05, 2014, 11:29:58 pm
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Saying nina name was given to her because of the acronym is almost like saying that bucky's name is racist. D:

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#12  October 06, 2014, 03:03:53 am
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   No everyone misunderstood, it was just a sort of a fan fiction sort of thing, pointing out holes in the story lines and char inaccuracies. I could probably come up with a lot more. F.ex. Alex is a bare chested delta force operative, but we don't see any blood pins. Special forces usually are required to get their blood pins pounded into their chests. Technically you can say the same for Jax too, he's a marine... I'm not writing like it's some major surprise or anything, this is just a threat to share inaccuracies.... Hell I'm not even saying these inaccuracies even ruin the game or even the char necessarily (it all depends on *how* big the error is).

Also I could be wrong, but I could swear it said in Nina's bio in the original game, in the booklet that came with it, I could swear it said her father was like a captain or something in the Irish mafia and that was where she was trained to be an assassin. Mafias do have trained assassins. In fact there is a somewhat militant component behind most organized crime syndicates and gangs. Many of them are even former military. I wouldn't blindly assume that all gangs are untrained thugs who don't know what to do with their guns.  Granted they shouldn't be trusted with guns, but the more organized gangs usually know how to handle weapons.
 
   As for posting in the wrong section, my bad.
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#15  October 06, 2014, 03:57:32 pm
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   Anyone can wear a gi, that's almost like saying Bruce Irving can't practice Muay Thai because he's not from Thailand. I see no error there..... Technically too yeah, people don't age but I don't recognize that as an error, it's just how fiction is.... Batman and Superman never aged either and theyr both almost 100 yrs old now (or close to it). But nobody will like seeing them as old men with canes, false teeth, and colostomy bags.

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#16  October 06, 2014, 04:07:47 pm
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#17  October 06, 2014, 11:46:54 pm
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[MFG]maximilianjenus said, October 06, 2014, 05:58:44 am
yep, that's fun; nobody ages in kof, so vanessa regrets waiting until she was on her 30s to join :(

they used to age, but SNK decided it had enough , too lazy to create a new generation and decided to make all characters ageless , other companeys also fallowed this formula like Namco with tekken , starting with 4 characters became immortals .

also going back to the main topic , the reason why there are less  hispanic americans then asian-americans  in Japan finction story is........., well , most well say that the Japanese has less encounter with them in Real life , or they simply go with what they see in media , a lot of the stories they tend to work on ether take place in a fantasy world where Nationality is simply irrelevant , or just take place in Japan with just Japanese .

by the way, don't forget street fighter , Cammy is british and is said to be a clone of someone who is Russian , and SFA3 took it to a whole diffrent level by saying that she is a copy of bison who no one knows where his from, who just happen that the good part of his soul became a women from Italy (Rose)

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#18  October 06, 2014, 11:59:23 pm
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Hey remember when nationality and your primary language were determined by the place where you're born and raised and not necessarily about your parentage / DNA
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#19  October 07, 2014, 12:01:39 am
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Devil_Raptor_B said, October 06, 2014, 11:46:54 pm
they used to age, but SNK decided it had enough , too lazy to create a new generation and decided to make all characters ageless , other companeys also fallowed this formula like Namco with tekken
this isn't a "formula" invented by snk, most videogame characters just don't age

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#20  October 08, 2014, 11:15:14 pm
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He's right about but I rather see a bit inconsistency in various storylines due to agelessness...mostly in KOF  etc
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#21  October 08, 2014, 11:31:14 pm
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I think snk refuses to age KOF characters anymore cause then they would have sprite/make  Mai Shiranui boobs saggy and hang down pass her belly. Lol. Better keep them somewhat ageless.
Thats somethin I always wondered why fighting games character seem to not age like that.

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#22  October 08, 2014, 11:47:00 pm
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Yeah, sure, women get saggy boobs and men get a full head of grey hair not even 20 years after they're not teens anymore. Many KoF characters are only in their thirties but of course if they don't have a face full of wrinkles it means SNK is afraid of making them age.
There are only a few cases where it's quite obvious the characters don't age : when they still look like teens or young adults after 20 years (Yuri, Athena, Kensou). But most of the relevant characters, like Kyo and his team, the Ikari team, the Fatal Fury guys, it's not really shocking that they don't look super old when they haven't hit 40 yet. And then there's the case with the Art of Fighting team that actually got their timeline shifted to be younger in KoF than they are in the AoF/Fatal Fury timeline, so it's normal if they were under 18 again in '94.
But speaking of AoF, as a counter example, Ryo DID actually age in titles like Maximum Impact or NGBC (so did Robert there), and quite visibly. And then there was the XIII style reboot.

I could also make a case that a lot of Asians, including Japanese, don't show their age as easily as westerners (you could look at a guy who's 50 years old and think he's in his thirties, and likewise, they tend to think that we look much older than we are), so of course it's natural to them that they'd keep making characters that don't look too old.
But I figure that by now, you get the point that I think you're not really getting the big picture if you complain about apparent age.
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#23  October 11, 2014, 09:32:50 pm
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But Here is the thing NGBC was the alternate time line dream game where Kyo and Iori looked young there like they were in NESTS Saga and  KOF MI was alternate timeline parallel to KOF Ash Saga....
I understand the point.
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#24  October 12, 2014, 02:54:31 am
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DKDC said, October 08, 2014, 11:47:00 pm
There are only a few cases where it's quite obvious the characters don't age : when they still look like teens or young adults after 20 years (Yuri, Athena, Kensou).
At the very least, Athena and Kensou probably have excuses what with their psychic powers and shit. My headcanon for Yuri is that there are thousands of clones for her ala the Kyo clones, and every time one Yuri gets too old, they pull a Morning Musume and retire her, after which the next clone is activated. Memories are stored ala those beds in The Venture Bros so every clone contains memories that the last one did.

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that theory is wrong. what the fuck does yuri need memories for ?

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#26  October 12, 2014, 06:28:59 am
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It would just make so much more sense if the KOF tournaments done more frequently than just once a year; as it is, SNK's got this weird hybrid where not only are the characters ageless (and I'm pretty sure the ages listed in their profiles has remained the same, in each successive game?), but also there's explicitly large amounts of time going by (compared to most other long running narratives that employ sliding timelines, like the Marvel and DC universes). It's pretty wacky!

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#27  October 13, 2014, 01:41:18 am
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someone monetioned monthly kof works greaqt for the numbered ones and the number is the tournament number or something and not the year.

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Monthly seems like it's too compressed, especially for things like "Kyo gets beat up by Goenitz after '95 and changes his fighting style for '96" and "Kensou trains under Chin for a year and misses 2k3"; each saga can be fit into their own year pretty well, IMO.

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#29  October 13, 2014, 02:00:49 am
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Monthly sounds a bit crazy. In a fight, depending on the injuries you get, a month is way too short to recover then train again ; especially in a tournament setup where you have several fights.
And then there was 97 where Kyo and Iori disappeared, 98 was a dream match, and 99 was their return, it would be a bit anticlimatic if that was 2 months (especially since Kyo was cloned several times over in the meantime). Same when he was in high school between 94 and 97, being held back a year.
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#30  October 13, 2014, 11:44:17 am
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DKDC said, October 13, 2014, 02:00:49 am
Monthly sounds a bit crazy. In a fight, depending on the injuries you get, a month is way too short to recover then train again ; especially in a tournament setup where you have several fights.
And then there was 97 where Kyo and Iori disappeared, 98 was a dream match, and 99 was their return, it would be a bit anticlimatic if that was 2 months (especially since Kyo was cloned several times over in the meantime). Same when he was in high school between 94 and 97, being held back a year.

its just a game, so I guess "F" logic , I mean even Tekken is doing it,  tekken 3 take place about 20 years after tekken 2 , and tekken 4 is 2 years after 3, now 5 and 6 and maybe 7 is taken place within a year

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#31  October 13, 2014, 11:54:06 am
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Well, the early KoFs specifically said in their story that a year was passing (Goenitz beating up Kyo, Kyo being held back a year before 97). Since 2000~2002 they've been unspecific, and when they jumped to XI, they completely stopped.
Tekken never associated the year to the number, so it's not really sensible to compare the two series ; there's no reason to accuse Tekken of being flimsy with their years, nothing forces them to have the exact same time pass between each game, it's completely alright if 20 years pass before 3 and only 1 year before 5. BTW Tekken 6 probably happens more than a year after 5, Jin has the time to develop his military and start wars all over the world. It absolutely doesn't mean "F logic".
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I agree with Byakko. Tekken's plot timewise has been quite consistent IMO. Though the time gaps may not be regular as how KoF does it, the story does make sense.

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The latest KoF saga has all been about the villain group being able to manipulate time and their latest attempt to do so, with Ash messing with that further to invalidate a bunch of events.
Time and its (lack of) passage is now an established aspect of the series which can be used to explain away things like:
* everyone no longer aging after 95 (Ralf dodged the mention bullet of dealing with his 40s by getting stuck at 39, Athena will always be 18, etc...),
* the AoF crew being shifted a decade in time,
* K9999 never having existed after all, retroactively being replaced by Nameless,
* SS and LB cameos in stages or as KoF2000 strikers,
* Buriki One and Fu'un series character in XI,
* whatever other oddity you care to mention.
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