The Mugen Fighters Guild - Koopakoot is sent to jail

Hoshi

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#61 October 20, 2014, 09:22:12 am

Sprite Whore

Legal because she's 700 years old.

-Red-

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#62 October 20, 2014, 11:51:34 am

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

Kinda hilarious so see so much trouble over drawings of people who don't even exist. Heck, for all we know that dude (I'll call him Fake Koopakoot) may get turned on by that kind of hentai but have no relation to anything he likes about real women.

After all, 2D women do look damn different than real women to begin with, there's almost no link whatsoever between those two, you can't really compare them that much. It's like when people like anime women with really big boobs and then they look at the real deal and just think "ewwwww".

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Umezono

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#63 October 20, 2014, 03:13:35 pm

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

Star Fucker said, October 20, 2014, 08:45:08 am

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 04:56:10 am
the rationale is that indulging in pornography of little children (andd these drawings will apparently depict VERY young children) implicitly means you are okay with this happening with children. they may not be real, but they are still children.
I don't agree with this point of view. To me, it's basically the same as saying "if you like violent movies or killing people in a GTA game, this implicitely means you're okay with people getting killed (which is an opinion and you can't be punished for thinking X or Y deserves to die) or even killing people (which is obviously false since all GTA players don't go on a killing spree)".

THere's a huge difference to me between fiction and reality (captain obvious to the rescue...). I can laugh when seeing a movie about someone being tortured or cut to pieces, enjoy violence, etc. but this is only because I know it's entirely fictional. The same thing would happen for real, I'd be disgusted.
It could be the same for these loli mangas.

i understand the gaming angle i just want to see some sources that no correlation has been found between looking at lolicon and actual sex abuse or tendencies

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#64 October 20, 2014, 04:40:42 pm

I like Berserk. It unfortunately despicts attempted and (non graphic) succesful rape of minors, one implied to be in her early teens and the other stated to be like 9 years old (and seemingly consensual sex between a 17 years old girl and a slightly older lad). Oh, and also the graphic rape of some adult women down the line.

Thing is, Berserk isn't some twisted porn. The sex scenes aren't that common, all of them together make up like... 10% or less of the whole story. Also, most of that rape isn't fortuitous, it's important to the characters' background. Plus, it's relevant to the setting of the story, in its dark medievalesque world sexual violence must be a common everyday thing, much like looting.

...but none of those explanations would save my ass if the wrong agency got a hold of my hard drive. I have some pictures despicting sexual violence against fictional minors, therefore I am a child abuser and on the same league as someone who keeps children around to exploit them and share some pictures of them with other equally twisted men.

...wow, that sucks.

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#65 October 20, 2014, 05:08:50 pm

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 03:13:35 pm

Star Fucker said, October 20, 2014, 08:45:08 am
Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 04:56:10 am
the rationale is that indulging in pornography of little children (andd these drawings will apparently depict VERY young children) implicitly means you are okay with this happening with children. they may not be real, but they are still children.
I don't agree with this point of view. To me, it's basically the same as saying "if you like violent movies or killing people in a GTA game, this implicitely means you're okay with people getting killed (which is an opinion and you can't be punished for thinking X or Y deserves to die) or even killing people (which is obviously false since all GTA players don't go on a killing spree)".

THere's a huge difference to me between fiction and reality (captain obvious to the rescue...). I can laugh when seeing a movie about someone being tortured or cut to pieces, enjoy violence, etc. but this is only because I know it's entirely fictional. The same thing would happen for real, I'd be disgusted.
It could be the same for these loli mangas.
i understand the gaming angle i just want to see some sources that no correlation has been found between looking at lolicon and actual sex abuse or tendencies

How do you even prove that to begin with? What kind of study can one perform in order to prove such thing? Are you going to grab 10000 random people and check their criminal record if they have ever abused somebody and then if the answer is "No", ask them if they have Magica Madoka porn? Who's going to say "Yes" to that kind of surveys when you have silly laws like these?

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Titiln

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#66 October 20, 2014, 05:12:16 pm

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there's a difference between what you watch or do for entertainment and your porno folder. if my porno folder is full of pictures of pale women with big ass titties (3d and 2d alike) it's safe to assume i like pale women with big tits, even though it might not be the case, but it's not a huge stretch. if i play videogames in which murder is involved it's not safe to say i like to murder people in real life because if that were the case the murder rates in which videogames are popular would be astronomical

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#67 October 20, 2014, 06:11:45 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 03:13:35 pm

i understand the gaming angle i just want to see some sources that no correlation has been found between looking at lolicon and actual sex abuse or tendencies

wikipedia on fictional child abuse states that there is not a single study that can correlate them. I am quite positive the original danish report is written in danish, so I am not sure how useful it would to find the actual article compared to english articles talking about it.

http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless.2255.html
http://therealosc.blogspot.mx/2012/07/all-images-are-harmless.html

from what I get is that this study was made so the link could be proved as it was ordered by a conservative party, but such link could not be found.
google Sexologisk Klinik cartoon or Lars Barfod cartoon

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#68 October 20, 2014, 06:23:11 pm

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I am just stunned...after this

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#69 October 20, 2014, 06:48:31 pm

it's also a big difference between fantasy and reality for a lot of people (I assuem all healthy individuals), like threesomes are a great fantasy for me, but in reality it's really difficult to pull up with the jealousy and other related feelings as well as the mechanical part of it such as the fact that I have only one penis and alternating penetration can never work like it does in doujins.

Umezono

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#70 October 20, 2014, 06:54:25 pm

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

-Red- said, October 20, 2014, 05:08:50 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 03:13:35 pm
Star Fucker said, October 20, 2014, 08:45:08 am
Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 04:56:10 am
the rationale is that indulging in pornography of little children (andd these drawings will apparently depict VERY young children) implicitly means you are okay with this happening with children. they may not be real, but they are still children.
I don't agree with this point of view. To me, it's basically the same as saying "if you like violent movies or killing people in a GTA game, this implicitely means you're okay with people getting killed (which is an opinion and you can't be punished for thinking X or Y deserves to die) or even killing people (which is obviously false since all GTA players don't go on a killing spree)".

THere's a huge difference to me between fiction and reality (captain obvious to the rescue...). I can laugh when seeing a movie about someone being tortured or cut to pieces, enjoy violence, etc. but this is only because I know it's entirely fictional. The same thing would happen for real, I'd be disgusted.
It could be the same for these loli mangas.
i understand the gaming angle i just want to see some sources that no correlation has been found between looking at lolicon and actual sex abuse or tendencies

How do you even prove that to begin with? What kind of study can one perform in order to prove such thing? Are you going to grab 10000 random people and check their criminal record if they have ever abused somebody and then if the answer is "No", ask them if they have Magica Madoka porn? Who's going to say "Yes" to that kind of surveys when you have silly laws like these?

the same way they can disprove violent video games making you violent.

you can deny the power of research all you want to defend the free speech of loli porn, but basical statistical analysis is the closest we can get to a fundamental understanding of correlations between things. models can not perfectly prove anything but they give us information that is enough to establish an association or at least a correlation between two things, so that we can deduce they are in some way related. so yes an observation of a large random sample of sex offenders and their porn habits would be a legitimate sort of study. you can doa retrospective study based on internet history. of course its not just one study that can prove it but many along the same trends will give us something to base the actual laws off of. the same way it was done for violent video games.

scoffing at studies because your subjective opinion about anime porn is no way to properly handle this issue. please don;t trivialize my argument because you assume a couple individuals lying would screw over everything. statistics accounts for outliers, and there is nothing wrong with using statistics as a base to which make decisions off of.

and BTW, theres more to studies than surveys. surveys are the least legitimate way to conduct an observation or experiment. thankfully research methods have evolved sufficiently there are alternatives that work.

[MFG]maximilianjenus said, October 20, 2014, 06:11:45 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 03:13:35 pm
i understand the gaming angle i just want to see some sources that no correlation has been found between looking at lolicon and actual sex abuse or tendencies

wikipedia on fictional child abuse states that there is not a single study that can correlate them. I am quite positive the original danish report is written in danish, so I am not sure how useful it would to find the actual article compared to english articles talking about it.

http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless.2255.html
http://therealosc.blogspot.mx/2012/07/all-images-are-harmless.html

from what I get is that this study was made so the link could be proved as it was ordered by a conservative party, but such link could not be found.
google Sexologisk Klinik cartoon or Lars Barfod cartoon

thank you for the links, ill read them when i get a chance.

Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 07:00:20 pm by Gaza Haganer

KensouSye

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#71 October 20, 2014, 07:20:39 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 20, 2014, 06:54:25 pm

so yes an observation of a large random sample of sex offenders and their porn habits would be a legitimate sort of study.

Actually, that yields a flawed number. You'd have to compile data from all people you can find who look at loli porn then find a correlation between them and the amount who commit sexual acts against children, not just sex offenders who likely represent a significant minority.

Actually, by that logic, one can argue that if a survey were taken of sex-offenders who violate adults while trying to link their behaviour to viewership of adult pornography, then adult pornography can be found to create situations that endanger adult women(/men) too. You can't automatically say that loli porn leads to a problem while dismissing the blatant impact that porn itself can have. It's all dangerous (or harmless?) on some level.

Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 07:29:35 pm by KensouSye

Umezono

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#72 October 20, 2014, 07:23:50 pm

i will meditate and then write a really epic post
jai ho

youre right, apologies for messing up but heres what i was thinking:

i actually accounted for that when saying models cant perfectly prove something. all im saying is it works to find a statistical trend- correlation is not causation but it still correlation. i also proposed a retrospective study afterwards, the large sample part is simply describing the sample not the methodology. while im not perfect with statistics, i find it a good starting point - the original studies concering violent vidoe games were observations of high school boys who showed aggressive tendencies, not all high school boys. there can be a control of regular people but like i said im not too on the up and up on the legitimacy of that.

my thought process concerned using convicted sex offenders as a representative sample of a broader community that would engage in some acts. people who do this stuff are a minority after all. its flawed but i cant think of a way to find people who access loli porn casually without huge privacy issues.

Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 07:28:34 pm by Gaza Haganer

Bastard Mami

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#73 October 20, 2014, 08:04:08 pm

Ideally this is somethign that qwe fix differently, we find the people who are actually potential pedophiles, then we forbid them from looking at loli/shota porn (see note 1), just like we would deny a person with violent behaviour access to violent videogames and more importantly guns.

note1: we will ignore the fact that lookign at loli /shota porn actually decreases child abuse crimes as I don't want to google for the studies that prove so as I only read that in related topics while reading about this event ("koopakoot" is an asian/muslim who had already been convicted on simialr charges so he was already on a watchlist).

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