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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1541  December 16, 2014, 10:32:18 am
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1542  December 18, 2014, 08:15:13 pm
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more Spidey-Sony stuff: a dude on Reddit is claiming that Marvel and Sony have already worked out a deal, and just met to knock out the last remaining kinks. If it works out, Spidey could/will be added to Civil War and Age of Ultron in cameo roles (as it's too late to do anything else), with a solo film later on down the line. Logan Lerman is supposed to be the favorite to play the role, but it hasn't been cast yet. An offical announcment is supposed to come after January's Spidey-summit.

also Gunn posted this last night:

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1543  December 18, 2014, 10:09:02 pm
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Urgh... Lerman? really?

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1544  December 18, 2014, 11:22:40 pm
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A reddit user who claims they have a friend close to Disney is stating a deal is now in place for Spider-Man to appear in the Marvel Studios movies.
is there any reason at all to believe this shit? this sounds like my uncle that works at nintendo

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1545  December 18, 2014, 11:34:21 pm
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Not a ton, no. It does seem fairly plausible and fits with the other rumors from more reliable sources (Latino Review, pretty much), but I just recently saw a purported email sent to one of the Sony execs with basically the same information and that seemed obviously fake, which is not a great sign.

But I wanna believe, dammit.

[DKG] said, December 18, 2014, 10:09:02 pm
Urgh... Lerman? really?
Wasn't he supposed to be great in The Perks Of Being A Wallflower, though?

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1546  December 19, 2014, 05:01:18 pm
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https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/tim-burton-bored-of-marvel-movie-formula-105016046921.html

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“Marvel, they have their thing and there’s a certain formula to it all which seems to still be working.”

“But how many times can you say ‘you’re wearing a funny costume’ with the tights and stuff? That’s been going on for 20 years now.”

“Yes, we all know that superheroes are damaged individuals. Maybe we need to see a happy superhero?”

“I remember ‘Batman’ getting so much flak and criticism at the time for being too dark and now 20-30 years later, it now looks like a light-hearted romp, it’s such a strange thing to go through.” Burton told Yahoo Movies.


This is satire right? Tim Burton can't be that unaware of himself.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1547  December 19, 2014, 05:28:35 pm
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What are you talking about, all those movies starring Johnny Depp in pancake makeup as a crazy weirdo with strange tics who wears a fancy hat are like, the opposite of formulaic! (actually, though, his new movie Big Eyes is supposed to be pretty good and a return to form for him, and it doesn't even have Johnny Depp or Helena Bonham Carter in it)

also seems weird to call out Marvel for dark depressing superhero movies when DC's right there, fresh off from the Dark Knight trilogy and is currently making movies about sad depressed Superman who doesn't save people.

But uh yeah, I mean, he is kinda right; the MCU movies are somewhat formulaic, most of them follow a pretty rigid three act structure with three major action scenes (a beginning, establishing scene; a second scene where the heroes lose; and a third scene withan ultra mega aerial battle usually over a city as the heroes have a final battle to stop the villains from unleashing their MacGuffin that will kill everyone). The good ones disguise this well, but it's still there, and it feels somewhat limiting, and hopefully the comments Marvel has made about Dr. Strange about not doing an origin movie is a signal that they're moving away from it.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1548  December 19, 2014, 05:54:43 pm
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"But how many times can you say ‘you’re wearing a funny costume’ with the tights and stuff? That’s been going on for 20 years now."

"Yes, we all know that superheroes are damaged individuals. Maybe we need to see a happy superhero?"
I don't even understand those ones. What about the funny costumes, does that mean superheroes shouldn't wear a costume ? As for seeing a happy superhero rather than damaged people, that's just nonsense, Marvel doesn't make that the focus of their stuff, "happy" is what they do all the time.
Iron Man had this "damaged hero" because he was the first, Thor had his origin movie and then immediately fucked off in the opposite direction of "damaged" (and even then he was only "damaged" for a small part of that movie, after he failed to retrieve the hammer and when he tried to sacrifice himself, he was happy all the time otherwise), Cap is leagues away from that in both his movies, Avengers is a slugfest, GotG doesn't give a crap (of course they acknowledge the past that Rocket, Drax and Gamora have but as a team they're pretty forward). This comment only works on origin movies, and that's because that's just how the characters are most of the time - because they've been like that for decades.

In fact, the "that's been going on for 20 years" makes me think that when he says Marvel, he means Sony and Fox too. In which case that's totally true.
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Last Edit: December 19, 2014, 06:00:09 pm by DKDC

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1549  December 19, 2014, 06:14:12 pm
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I swear to God, whoever thought that Spider-man should be crying all the time and be very emotionally compromised needs to be taken behind the shed.
five Spider-man movies in and he is a constant emotional wreck sobbing for his mum.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1550  December 20, 2014, 07:14:31 pm
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Not just the movies-

Clone saga "I AM THE CLONE!" *weep weep*
Marvel Zombies "I just wanna die"
Evolve or die, where he spends half of it crying before "dying", his 'body' forming a cocoon around at Ironman's building (while still dead) and breaking out of it like a frigging butterfly...........Yeah, that happened.

It's only after Otto Octavius said this-
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Rajaa said:
Leave this man alone. He didn't do anything super horrible to anyone or to the community, and he doesn't deserve this shit.
^I'm proud of this guy.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1551  December 20, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
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Dc and marvel are essentially different kinds of universe and ficiton, superman and batman dont have "potential" they have powers.
they are fine for myth like stories and are good for what they do.


Spider-man is a much more broader character with much more themes to him and focusing on his sad arcs without seeing the rest of his characterization is what those movie makers are doing that is making their movies be a failure in the narrative sense.
you are basically attempting to agree with me while doing exactly the kind of thing i was criticizing!

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#1552  December 20, 2014, 08:29:05 pm
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atleast spiderman inst like batman

Who had his Ass kicked so hard by a Homeless without his 2 legs, 2 10 years old kids from brazil, and Ze Batroc....

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#1553  December 20, 2014, 08:45:08 pm
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Batroc is a marvel character.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1554  December 20, 2014, 08:45:57 pm
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Yeah, I'm completely lost.
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Dreams you never lived and scars never healed
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And find me waiting there, you'll see if you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1555  December 20, 2014, 08:47:26 pm
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I assume it's a reference to this?


But uh yeah don't you dare say shit about Batroc the Leaper >:[

Iced said, December 19, 2014, 06:14:12 pm
I swear to God, whoever thought that Spider-man should be crying all the time and be very emotionally compromised needs to be taken behind the shed.
five Spider-man movies in and he is a constant emotional wreck sobbing for his mum.
You're right, why can't they follow the comics where he never ever cries, it's almost as if they thought his first appearance ended with him in tears or something
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Spider-Man is a hero who is fundamentally shaped by tragedy. There is a very real sadness about him, whether it's the tragedies of his life or his woes that plague his every day life. That's his whole deal; there is of course a simultaneous bright happiness about him, of soaring through the skies of Manhattan on a webline and beating up bad guys, but it is the blending of the two that makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. The two moods are an absolutely essential part of the way Spidey works, and to discard one is to discard the whole. And none of the movies, even the two I hate, ever go so far as to discard either of these.

Even in the rumors (or leaks? I don't remember what's a leak or rumor at this point) for Marvel's plans for another Spider-Man reboot movie, it's mentioned that the thing they want to move away from in the Sony movies is not "Spider-man crying all the time", or whatever, it's the romance. The Sony movies have all been about the romance aspect in some way, and while I would never say that's a wrong choice, it would be good to explore some other areas in future movies.
Evangeline Lilly mentioned her Ant-Man character being the daughter of "the founders of the Avengers", and mentioned Wasp by name. Now, some sites are saying maybe she's just referring to the comics version, but heck, in Iron Man 1, Nick Fury already had some plan called the "Avengers Initiative". Is it really a stretch to assume there was an earlier team in the 1960s? It certainly wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the Marvel Universe, which had a couple of superhero teams in between the Golden Age of superheroes in WWII and whenever on the floating timeline superheroes reemerged onto the scene in the modern day.

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#1556  December 20, 2014, 08:51:00 pm
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I would not be surprised if the Avengers Initiative turns out to have started somewhere in the 60s and Hank and Janet are a part of it with a young Nick Fury. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they start setting it up as early as Agent Carter.
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And find me waiting there, you'll see if you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
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#1557  December 20, 2014, 08:54:06 pm
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Exactly what I was thinking.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1558  December 20, 2014, 09:01:07 pm
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well they could probably use kraven now



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Spiderman crying has been the focus of five of those movies, crying over mary jane, crying over aunt may, crying over unca ben. Why do you want to see the super hero cry so much?
Whats with the fetish to see spider-man suffer?

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#1559  December 20, 2014, 09:08:24 pm
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I think the problem with the original Spider-Man movies is that you don't get enough of the sense of freedom that Spidey gets when he's behind the mask (because there's little to no quips). You get a little of that in the Amazing movies, but they're hampered by poor writing. I don't think moving away from romance is necessary because that's always been a big part of Spider-Man anything, I think they need to present more of the positive things being Spidey means to Peter and less of the sadness.
If you close your eyes, your life a naked truth revealed
Dreams you never lived and scars never healed
In the darkness light will take you to the other side
And find me waiting there, you'll see if you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe: Strange is Benedict Cumberpatch!!
#1560  December 20, 2014, 09:20:10 pm
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Spider-Man is built on suffering, but also on overcoming suffering. I think is helpful to think of the Lee/Ditko run for this; the very first issue is of course the famous origin, ending with Spider-Man wandering off, sobbing; and one of the final Ditko issues, the famous FINAL CHAPTER, has Spidey trapped under a ton of machinery in Doc Ock's flooding lab, giving up and languishing off to oblivion, before deciding not to give in to pain and suffering, and straining every muscle in his body to lift up the wreckage that is trapping him. That's the essence of Spider-Man right there.
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