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#781 November 04, 2014, 01:58:26 am

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I liked the voice acting; well, most of it... or maybe just some of it. It had a lot of varying degrees of quality; Wolverine's voice is still what I picture whenever I read him, but then you've got voices like Xavier's, which was so whiney (and so prone to YELLING IN PAIN every episode).

Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 01:22:06 am

Dude, you are giving it way less credit than it deserves, it's not as awful as you're making it out to be. Yes it wasn't the greatest thing in the world but it was awesome. and I wasn't even talking about the cartoon, I was referring to that time period in X-men in general. As bland as the 90's were The crazy storylines and bright colors is what drew a lot of people to it.

I know you weren't talking about the cartoon, but other people were!

I also got into X-Men through the cartoon, but it's definitely not a show I would want to watch now, nor show to my nonexistent children. There's much better ways to get into X-Men (whether through the Claremont run of comics, the movies, or even the Wolverine and the X-Men show), and much better superhero cartoons in general.

Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 01:22:06 am

And writing, seriously? it was a kids show, nothing had great writing in kids action shows back then wtf were you expecting something worthy of an emmy?

... yes?

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#782 November 04, 2014, 01:59:23 am

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#783 November 04, 2014, 02:26:36 am

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Jmorphman said, November 04, 2014, 01:58:26 am

I liked the voice acting; well, most of it... or maybe just some of it. It had a lot of varying degrees of quality; Wolverine's voice is still what I picture whenever I read him, but then you've got voices like Xavier's, which was so whiney (and so prone to YELLING IN PAIN every episode).

Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 01:22:06 am
Dude, you are giving it way less credit than it deserves, it's not as awful as you're making it out to be. Yes it wasn't the greatest thing in the world but it was awesome. and I wasn't even talking about the cartoon, I was referring to that time period in X-men in general. As bland as the 90's were The crazy storylines and bright colors is what drew a lot of people to it.
I know you weren't talking about the cartoon, but other people were!

I also got into X-Men through the cartoon, but it's definitely not a show I would want to watch now, nor show to my nonexistent children. There's much better ways to get into X-Men (whether through the Claremont run of comics, the movies, or even the Wolverine and the X-Men show), and much better superhero cartoons in general.

Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 01:22:06 am
And writing, seriously? it was a kids show, nothing had great writing in kids action shows back then wtf were you expecting something worthy of an emmy?
... yes?

Batman is batman, it had a way better driving force behind it. But seriously the stories weren't that bad. Nor was the show in general, And NO wolverine and the X-men AND the movies do not do good jobs of representing the X-men's mythos the way the 90's show did. both of those were wolverine centered as fuck and as much as I liked WATXM I didn't like how so many people felt like shells in it (don't even get me started on cyclops in it, bleh) I just put the DVD on an hour ago to see for myself, and it looks fine, it's not the best looking thing in the world by any means, but to outright basically slam it the way you did is just horseshit :p

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#784 November 04, 2014, 02:31:22 am

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I agree they focus on Wolverine too much but I think the movies (the good ones, at least) do a great job of representing what X-Men is all about (I can't speak for Wolverine and the X-Men because I've never seen it, but I've heard nothing but good things about it).

But c'mon, Batman being Batman doesn't change anything. A critically acclaimed, Emmy winning X-Men series was definitely possible back then (and still is), you just need the right people! Get Greg Wiseman on that shit or something, there's no need to settle for a subpar show like 90s X-Men!

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#785 November 04, 2014, 02:35:28 am

does this look like the face of mercy?

what, like this?

Honestly the x-men tas show was leagues ahead most of the stuff at the time, it was way better than the spider-man show the ironman show, the hulk show, or any of the avengers shows.

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#786 November 04, 2014, 02:37:44 am

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We will not speak of the anime.

and c'mon, being better than the Marvel shows still isn't a great badge of honor (and actually I would rate Spider-Man above X-Men, not saying it's great or anything, just slightly better). We deserve better shows! >:[

Neocide

Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#787 November 04, 2014, 02:38:19 am

No cupcakes 4 u

Jmorphman said, November 04, 2014, 02:31:22 am

I agree they focus on Wolverine too much but I think the movies (the good ones, at least) do a great job of representing what X-Men is all about (I can't speak for Wolverine and the X-Men because I've never seen it, but I've heard nothing but good things about it).

But c'mon, Batman being Batman doesn't change anything. A critically acclaimed, Emmy winning X-Men series was definitely possible back then (and still is), you just need the right people! Get Greg Wiseman on that shit or something, there's no need to settle for a subpar show like 90s X-Men!

Yea, but it was still good for what it was, it still told a better phoenix story than the movies did, it still had the best roster assembled and walt you're tripping the voice dubbing was good, minus xavier's AAAAHHUHHH. It had two voice actors from RE's heyday too (Jubes VA does claire's voice, and Jean's did jills) not to mention in all the Vs games those were the voices used.

X-men Evo was a great X-men show if you want a cartoon. And I'm gonna have to disagree to an extent about the good movies representing what the X-men were about, as much as I love first class, it didn't really feel like "fighting and saving a world that fears and hates you" it had that in the final scene in the first movie, and the second tried to do that a little bit with the DOFP storyline, but to it's core it's just been a story about 3 friends.

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#788 November 04, 2014, 02:40:38 am

Haters are toys

Jmorphman said, November 04, 2014, 02:37:44 am

We will not speak of the anime.

Agreed

I would love to know who thought making Wolverine look like Vega( Claw) was a good idea. lol

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#789 November 04, 2014, 02:42:52 am

Sky79 said, November 04, 2014, 02:40:38 am

making Wolverine look like Vega( Claw)

Not the same anime. There was an X-Men one and a Wolverine one, Iced posted the opening to the X-Men one.

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#790 November 04, 2014, 02:44:36 am

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Iced said, November 04, 2014, 02:35:28 am

Honestly the x-men tas show was leagues ahead most of the stuff at the time, it was way better than the spider-man show

For the record, the 90s Spiderman feels very much like the aftermath of how high the bar was set by the XMEN show, and it did a pretty good job at showing who Peter Parker was as a character, and not a goofster in tights 24/7 like those Newspaper Comic strips JMM posted the other day, or the Hannah Barbera show that spawned countless memes.

To me personally, it's all the way up there with Batman TAS in terms of how serious they were to explore the characters. That 90's Spiderman show made me realize how deep down the rabbit hole the Spiderman mythos could go (bear with me, I was a very young teenager). Pairing that with the arcade releases of XMEN COTA and later the MSH games from Capcom, that's when my appetite for Marvel Comics really grew. We didn't really have access to the comics around here, so that was all we had.

Later those same guys that made Spiderman made a Fantastic Four show, and a Hulk cartoon too around that same time, and those were HORRIBLE.

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#791 November 04, 2014, 02:45:55 am

does this look like the face of mercy?

Jmorphman said, November 04, 2014, 02:37:44 am

We will not speak of the anime.

and c'mon, being better than the Marvel shows still isn't a great badge of honor (and actually I would rate Spider-Man above X-Men, not saying it's great or anything, just slightly better). We deserve better shows! >:[

dont mess with perfection, we already had the perfect shows.

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The nineties hulk had a kickass opening too, even if the show itself was pretty bad.

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#792 November 04, 2014, 02:46:52 am

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I've heard that the Hulk show (season one, at least) is the best of the 90s Marvel shows, but I haven't seen it since it aired so I dunno how accurate that is. But Jesus that Fantastic Four cartoon, I can't believe I used to get up at like 6 to watch that and Iron Man. On school days.

Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 02:38:19 am

Yea, but it was still good for what it was, it still told a better phoenix story than the movies did

That's not saying much! The Phoenix story the animated series told was pretty bad too!!! D:

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#793 November 04, 2014, 02:49:07 am

I haven't watched the X-Men animated show in about 15 years. I liked it back when I was younger because the characters were cool. But even then, I always felt that there was something "cheap" about the presentation, and apparently this recent discussion gives more validity to that feeling (while describing it in a far more informative way).

Yeah, the design and color direction was easily it's strong point. That kind of stuff tends to stand out among the youth (when one isn't as knowledgeable on the more technical aspects). It could've definitely been better, but I wouldn't call it a bad show considering the target audience.

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#794 November 04, 2014, 02:57:51 am

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Neocide said, November 04, 2014, 01:22:06 am

Jmorphman said, November 03, 2014, 10:43:27 pm
Guys, I know pretty much all of us grew up on the 90's X-Men series, but like, seriously, have you watched it recently? It's fucking awful; don't let nostalgia blind you. The writing is wretched and the animation is somehow worse. $:-\$

Dude, you are giving it way less credit than it deserves, it's not as awful as you're making it out to be. Yes it wasn't the greatest thing in the world but it was awesome. and I wasn't even talking about the cartoon, I was referring to that time period in X-men in general. As bland as the 90's were The crazy storylines and bright colors is what drew a lot of people to it.

And writing, seriously? it was a kids show, nothing had great writing in kids action shows back then wtf were you expecting something worthy of an emmy?

I thought you were talking about the Jim Lee comic.

I never liked the Marvel cartoons, even as a kid. The aesthetic always reminded me of Captain Planet where every character has a gargantuan jawline.

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#795 November 04, 2014, 03:09:31 am

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Jmorphman said, November 04, 2014, 02:46:52 am

I've heard that the Hulk show (season one, at least) is the best of the 90s Marvel shows,

The first season is great and it legitimately has one of the greatest openings of any cartoon ever (tells you everything you need to know about the character in a minute! THAT'S how you do a theme song!) The second season, where the animation changes and She-Hulk becomes a main character... not so much.

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