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#81 December 19, 2012, 04:01:46 am

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Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 03:43:32 am

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No.

Great Lakes Avengers

There's nothing wrong with big events, only ones that don't leave us with anything lasting or build from the stories that came before.

Siege = Fantastic event.

Fear Itself = Pointless summer garbage.

AVX = Some of the best comics I've seen in a while.

Shadowland = Ahahaha... haha... ha... shoot me now.

Jmorphman

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#83 December 19, 2012, 04:13:00 am

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Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 04:08:58 am

AVX = Some of the best comics I've seen in a while.

... really? Out of character nonstop pointless fight AvX?

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#84 December 19, 2012, 04:14:14 am

Did you read the end, and the Uncanny X-Men tie-in issues, and just Uncanny X-Men in general leading up to it, and the Consequences aftermath series?

Some of the best character development in mainstream comics, tying up things Gillen has been seeding throughout his run and Bendis has been seeding since House of M.

Jmorphman

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#85 December 19, 2012, 04:20:14 am

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I just meant the main book itself, I have heard the tie-ins are good and help somewhat with the characterization in the main book.

but the main book is just godawful, I don't know why I read it after hearing all the bad things about it. Morbid curiosity, I guess.

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#86 December 19, 2012, 04:24:09 am

The beginning, yeah, somewhat. The end, no. Basically when Romita stops drawing it... God I hate his art for this kind of thing. The characterization isn't out of character in the slightest, you just didn't read the development.

Kind of unfair to judge how jarring part of a story is without reading it all.

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#87 December 19, 2012, 04:35:57 am

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Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 04:24:09 am

Kind of unfair to judge how jarring part of a story is without reading it all.

An event should stand on it's own, and not require the reader to have read multiple books to have crucial things explained.

But I do know what happens in the tie-ins anyway, and I didn't really think they helped much.

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#88 December 19, 2012, 04:39:56 am

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An event should stand on it's own, and not require the reader to have read multiple books to have crucial things explained.

I completely and utterly disagree. Events should be things that build from smaller stories happening in other books over a long period of time, and have their effects felt in books that they would naturally be felt in. Why on earth would anyone read comics in a shared universe if they aren't interested in that kind of interaction?

Go buy a novel or an independently-written series if that's what you're looking for. Marvel and DC comics are fundamentally different, and most of what Bendis has done are the best examples of how those kinds of events should be done. Dark Reign was really, really, really good. Civil War and Secret Invasion, less so. I liked the lead-up to SI, but the ball was massively dropped on the actual event.

Another great example of this kind of thing is all the cosmic books put out by Marvel in the last 5-6 years. Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest, Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, War of Kings, Thanos Imperative, etc. Fantastic universe-spanning storytelling that all wrapped up nicely at the end.

Jmorphman

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#89 December 19, 2012, 04:42:25 am

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I don't mean build-up stuff, I mean tie-ins to the event itself.

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#90 December 19, 2012, 04:43:37 am

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I thought Siege and AvX were pretty terrible, too. If the main book wasn't good then I don't consider the event good, because the main book is what everybody will be reading. For instance, Civil War: The Confession is one of the best comics I've ever read but it doesn't retroactively make Civil War #1-7 any less a pile of out of character decisions, shock deaths, and strawman arguments.

Your mileage varies, of course. I will say that keeping Cyclops alive and letting him and his brotherhood keep a book was a great decision, even if I'm still not interested in reading X-Men.

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#91 December 19, 2012, 04:48:38 am

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I will say that keeping Cyclops alive and letting him and his brotherhood keep a book was a great decision, even if I'm still not interested in reading X-Men.

Did that actually happen? What book will he be in? I'm a month or two behind.

The main book of Siege was great, and Siege: Frontline was amazing. Urich and Volstagg! URICH AND VOLSTAGG! If they made an ongoing Urich/Volstagg ongoing buddy book, I would buy 10 copies.

I think the second half of AVX was written very well, and as long as you have read the build-up, I don't think you need to read the tie-ins to understand it. I'm definitely not alone in this opinion. This is the first I've heard of people disliking it.

Maybe some of the Colossus/Magik stuff was in UXM tie-ins, idk. The UXM stuff is all I would consider essential.

I agree that the Civil War ongoing was shit. The event as a whole had some good points, like the Penance stuff (don't shoot me)

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#92 December 19, 2012, 05:02:07 am

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Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 04:48:38 am

Did that actually happen? What book will he be in? I'm a month or two behind.

His team will once again be the focus of Uncanny X-Men when it relauches in February.

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#93 December 19, 2012, 05:21:30 am

YAY UNCANNY IS RELAUNCHING WOW HOLY SHIT YES YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

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#94 December 19, 2012, 10:13:36 am

haven't got a clue

Sums up a few of my feelings on #700.

I will say that that while the obvious back doors for him to be Peter again (somehow) can be seen from a mile away if you read the story....it's not hard to see why people raged.

Do I like it? Meh, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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#95 December 19, 2012, 02:46:30 pm

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Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 04:48:38 am

This is the first I've heard of people disliking it.

Well, this is the first time I've heard of people liking it!

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#96 December 19, 2012, 03:00:34 pm

Snakebyte must probably only be hanging out at CBR where they pretty much like anything Marvel throws at them.

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#97 December 19, 2012, 03:06:02 pm

No cupcakes 4 u

I read the issue today (ASM 700) and yes I raged big time. I found it totally stupid to just shoehorn otto into pete's origin and basically steal it. And him going through those memories magically making him want to be good now.

It's just fucking stupid as fucking shit. Fuck off Dan slott.

I'm tired of them trying to make everything so god damn dark. Spiderman doesn't need to be dark. I thought that was the reason for scarlet spider

Also AvX was fucking shit. And the CBR boards hated it as well (At least the X-boards) making cyclops as the bad guy when he was totally right and basically bullied into being the bad guy was stupid and backfired on marvel big time. He's by far their most popular X-man now.

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#98 December 19, 2012, 05:03:39 pm

does this look like the face of mercy?

Snakebyte said, December 19, 2012, 03:43:32 am

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Slott is a good writer,
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Slott is a good writer,
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Slott is a good writer,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

Good writing is not pointless gimmicks that never last and don't develop anything.

He lost his spider sense! This is going to be the new status quo! He learned kung fu!

--Reverted within a year with no lasting impact--

Those aren't stories. Those are gimmicks, and awful, awful, awful writing.

I've read every issue of every ongoing spider-man comic, excluding MC2 and ones based on the TV show. Ultimate aside, I'm done now. This is so much worse than Brand New Day.

I thought of all those directions as coming from above him. his work on she hulk was phenomenal. I keep what I said! I think Slott is good.

Now, someone i would like to see with free reign would be Peter David. Anything he does turns out into comic book gold.

In AVx the only things I really liked were the gillen books, but that happened in such a way that if you had excised the whole event and just had let gillen books tell the story alone I would have thougth the event had gone alright.
With the added "OH NO PHOENIX IS EVIL" hubris, it all seemed very stupid.
Shit, give gillen spiderman, give peter david x-men, they would make solid gold. The last time peter david and warren ellis had control of a universe, it turned out great (until the fallout, but lets not speak of that ), so seeing another stint like that would be pretty great.

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#99 December 19, 2012, 09:10:07 pm

No cupcakes 4 u

BMB is doing a excellent job with All New X-men tbh. A lot of people were skeptical of his writing but he has done a wonderful job thus far. His magneto is excellent. His Cyclops is great. The team at the Jean grey school is great as well. And the 05 ( minus iceman and angel) have been wonderful.

I can't wait for the next few issues. I feel bad for teen Cyke. Everyone seems to hate him for what his adult self did :/

I can't get onboard Superior spiderman at all. I don't care. the premise to me is stupid.

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Re: Marvel Universe discussion (no filthy muties allowed)

#100 December 19, 2012, 11:12:57 pm

Space Dandy wa uchuu wa Dandy de-aru

And finally Marvel killed one of its main superheroes once for all. I read about Superior Spider-Man but I'm afraid of read the comic book itself because of those rumours of Ock being Spidey and viceversa, and the possibility of Peter dead. And they're true. In 90s, Marvel attempted to kill Peter in Clone Saga (making the rumour that Peter was the clone and Ben the real one), but now it concretes finally after they killed him in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Spidey was one of my favourite superheroes and now he's gone. I feel sad now and probably I'll never read something new about Marvel since now Y_Y

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