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Michigan House is passing a bill that allows EMTs to refuse treatment to gays...
#1  December 11, 2014, 06:14:09 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyecS_QiRK8

Just... just watch the video on Youtube itself, and read it's description....

I swear, America's getting progressively more, and more disgusting as time passes....

I just wanted to spread this news around. You don't even have to watch the video, just read the description.
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#2  December 11, 2014, 06:17:15 pm
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#3  December 11, 2014, 06:25:49 pm
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#4  December 11, 2014, 06:27:19 pm
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#5  December 11, 2014, 06:30:56 pm
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It is still a very hurtful and dangerous bill. :|
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#6  December 11, 2014, 06:31:13 pm
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Wow, that is fucked up.
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#7  December 11, 2014, 06:32:16 pm
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#8  December 11, 2014, 06:32:58 pm
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#9  December 11, 2014, 06:35:06 pm
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In my sources, it states the bill is as such, however, I note the title of the link I've posted is indeed propaganda.
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#10  December 11, 2014, 06:41:54 pm
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What I have gathered:

- it does provide people with innocuous claims like "i dont want to bake a cake for a gay wedding because of my religion" that power. whether or not this is religious discrimination or freedom of religion is hard to tell. i err to the side of discrimination... i would hope that the law will not protect people in restaurants who refuse to serve muslim people just because they are christian. they also cited "a muslim butcher not wanting to work with kosher meat" as a scenario.
- if used as defense in court to refuse medical service, they would have to prove its unreasonable for the government to intervene as it would violate their beliefs. the government could easily prove that it has the right to intervene in that all citizen should recieve medical service - this is gross oversimplification tho. From the source: "First, the individual would have to prove the request violated his or her sincerely held religious beliefs, and the government would then have to prove the law achieved its policy goal through the least restrictive means possible."
- its really broadly worded and gives a lot of power to businesses
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#11  December 11, 2014, 06:43:08 pm
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#12  December 11, 2014, 06:45:48 pm
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Oh cool, another stupid bill was written. Apparently something like this happened in Arizona but fortunately was cut short.

A form of the RFRA was already vetoed in Arizona this past February, as a Republican-led legislature passed the bill only for it to get shot down by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer. The bill made similar claims about religious freedom in that it allowed individuals the right to refuse service based on conflicting beliefs with homosexuality. LGBT activists argued the bill unfairly targeted the gay and lesbian population and that the First Amendment’s protection of freedom of religion did not apply.
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#13  December 11, 2014, 06:48:26 pm
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What I have gathered:

- it does provide people with innocuous claims like "i dont want to bake a cake for a gay wedding because of my religion" that power. whether or not this is religious discrimination or freedom of religion is hard to tell. i err to the side of discrimination... i would hope that the law will not protect people in restaurants who refuse to serve muslim people just because they are christian. they also cited "a muslim butcher not wanting to work with kosher meat" as a scenario.
- if used as defense in court to refuse medical service, they would have to prove its unreasonable for the government to intervene as it would violate their beliefs. the government could easily prove that it has the right to intervene in that all citizen should recieve medical service - this is gross oversimplification tho. From the source: "First, the individual would have to prove the request violated his or her sincerely held religious beliefs, and the government would then have to prove the law achieved its policy goal through the least restrictive means possible."
- its really broadly worded and gives a lot of power to businesses

Ah... I see. So it's not as bad as I initially thought. But it still should be stopped. Since it COULD lead to at least some form of discrimination or hassle for gay/bi people.

Again, I'm sorry for not looking into this deeper... I guess I was a bit too hasty to post this.
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#14  December 11, 2014, 06:49:15 pm
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#15  December 11, 2014, 06:50:23 pm
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What I have gathered:

- it does provide people with innocuous claims like "i dont want to bake a cake for a gay wedding because of my religion" that power. whether or not this is religious discrimination or freedom of religion is hard to tell. i err to the side of discrimination... i would hope that the law will not protect people in restaurants who refuse to serve muslim people just because they are christian. they also cited "a muslim butcher not wanting to work with kosher meat" as a scenario.
- if used as defense in court to refuse medical service, they would have to prove its unreasonable for the government to intervene as it would violate their beliefs. the government could easily prove that it has the right to intervene in that all citizen should recieve medical service - this is gross oversimplification tho. From the source: "First, the individual would have to prove the request violated his or her sincerely held religious beliefs, and the government would then have to prove the law achieved its policy goal through the least restrictive means possible."
- its really broadly worded and gives a lot of power to businesses

This first case is almost harmless enough, until you consider that someone can refuse to sell plan B or birth control pills or shots, because they "cause abortions"* and that is against their religion.
*Hint, hint - Plan B and birth control methods aren't abortives. They prevent fecundation of the egg. Also, birth control pills, shots and patches are used for much more than just preventing pregnancy to happen.

The second case wouldn't help much the person that was denied service, as said person would likely be either dead or permanently crippled by the time government intervention happen...

And it giving a lot of power to businesses is pretty bad. We already saw large business denying to cover birth control because it goes against their "religion freedom".

It is a pretty shitty bill.
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#16  December 11, 2014, 06:54:27 pm
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This first case is almost harmless enough, until you consider that someone can refuse to sell plan B or birth control pills or shots, because they "cause abortions"* and that is against their religion.
*Hint, hint - Plan B and birth control methods aren't abortives. They prevent fecundation of the egg. Also, birth control pills, shots and patches are used for much more than just preventing pregnancy to happen.

The second case wouldn't help much the person that was denied service, as said person would likely be either dead or permanently crippled by the time government intervention happen...

And it giving a lot of power to businesses is pretty bad. We already saw large business denying to cover birth control because it goes against their "religion freedom".

It is a pretty shitty bill.

Yeah, it really is. It might not be EXACTLY as the video I posted said it was. But this is still REALLY bad.

Heck, in some ways, it's actually worse then I thought. Since yeah, it has pretty much the same problems from that video. And more to it.
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#17  December 11, 2014, 06:55:19 pm
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how would they know that a patient is gay though? is there a sexual orientation section on IDs?
this bill is stupid and it won't work because a) they're not gonna ask every patient if he's gay or not, and b) even if they did, a patient can simply lie.
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#18  December 11, 2014, 07:01:38 pm
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how would they know that a patient is gay though? is there a sexual orientation section on IDs?
this bill is stupid and it won't work because a) they're not gonna ask every patient if he's gay or not, and b) even if they did, a patient can simply lie.

why should they have to lie ?
What if its an uncoscious person and the paramedics find out its transexual? Do they dump him or her in the side of the road?
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#19  December 11, 2014, 07:11:16 pm
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It allows the "religious freedom" of small things, but the scariest of them all is that the bill allows EMTs to refuse treatment to gay people... which is true. The dude in the video made it seem like that's all the bill was for. It's just one of the things that one could do under the protection of this bill if it was passed. I don't give a fuck what you practice, but if you're going to deny treatment to a life as an EMT, then you're doing something wrong... Shit like this is exactly why I don't follow a religion. I'm hoping that this does get vetoed completely because a person's religious beliefs should NEVER be above saving a person's life.

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#20  December 11, 2014, 07:13:17 pm
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What if its an uncoscious person and the paramedics find out its transexual? Do they dump him or her in the side of the road?
I guess only transexuals are gonna get dumped out hospitals because of this bill.
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