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#41  September 19, 2014, 07:23:29 am
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Niitris said, September 19, 2014, 07:07:20 am
But it's also important to equip people with the emotional tools to learn how to handle it as well.

Responding to my own post ftw.

I also want to add that in the case of young children and/or people with disabilities, that efforts are made to make sure the right support system is in place. It's less likely that they would be able to handle the stress of public intimidation on their own, so ensuring that they have people in their corner is a great way to empower them when they don't have the capabilities to do so yet.
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Re: Middle school student commits suicide at school
#42  September 19, 2014, 01:40:26 pm
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Jmorphman said, September 19, 2014, 06:16:08 am
Are we seriously suggesting that a kid commiting suicide is just "natural selection" and "thinning the herd", and there's nothing to be done about it, oh well? Is this seriously fucking happening? What the fuck Jesus fucking Christ?

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Nucka said, September 19, 2014, 05:34:37 am
Is it too gross to call this bully behavior a "thinning of the herd" trait of evolution?
this is the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard

i dont know how anyone could possibly say this other than to make people angry.



I might not be the best with wording things. Sometimes I offend myself, but I'm right.

I think society would co-exist a lot better if we started to look at things more scientifically and less....arrogantly. If the same behavior was presented to you, not from people but from pigs or spider monkeys, what would you think the reasoning behind the behavior would be, if the behavior was consistently exhibited throughout the species (and not linked to a drug or virus)?
Why would you think we're better than that when all evidence points to that we're not?

Of course bullying is an evolutionary means of maintaining the strength of the species. When all of existence is based on fighting against destruction, how can you expect our easily-overridden intelligence to escape the gravity of that influence? Bullying seems more atavistic (that's a good word) but I can't say whether or not it isn't necessary for maintaining a balance.

But maybe as a society, if we didn't give all this shit such power by getting all worked up about it, by taking it so personally...maybe we could use our ability of objective self observation to pause, access the situation for what it really is and conceive of a legitimate solution.

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#43  September 19, 2014, 01:49:55 pm
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#44  September 19, 2014, 05:09:06 pm
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B.Hatter 1995 said, September 19, 2014, 06:41:27 am
Yes I'm syrian myself. And concerning jordan I heard from one of my aunts that a university girl refused the advances of some guy in her class.  When he wouldn't stop she resorted to reporting the guy to the dean. In the end he got expelled but the guy in turn killed the girl in a dark alleyway by stabbing her to death. Said hw did it to "preserve his honour".  Dunno bout you man but that is fucked up. prerty asure that counts as bullying and psychosis.  Also she told me that these kinds of things are prevalent in jordan. Mind you my aubt is also jordanian. So I don't think it is Any better in the middle east whether syria or jordan man.
yeah i heard about that incident, i also heard that the guy who did it is spending the rest of his life in prison. look i won't deny that jordan has alot of problems too and i never said that it was crime free, but my point is, just because you experienced a bad childhood somewhere doesn't mean that everyplace is bad.
i feel for you though, being ganged up on is the worst thing a child could ever experience.
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#45  September 19, 2014, 05:20:23 pm
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B.Hatter 1995 said, September 19, 2014, 06:41:27 am
the guy in turn killed the girl in a dark alleyway by stabbing her to death. [...] prerty asure that counts as bullying and psychosis
Or, you know, murder. Like [E] said, it's better to use the actual term so that people understand that those things actually are a crime, like racket and physical abuse/torture and what do you have.
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#46  September 19, 2014, 06:19:36 pm
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Nucka said, September 19, 2014, 01:40:26 pm
Why would you think we're better than that when all evidence points to that we're not?

Of course bullying is an evolutionary means of maintaining the strength of the species. When all of existence is based on fighting against destruction, how can you expect our easily-overridden intelligence to escape the gravity of that influence? Bullying seems more atavistic (that's a good word) but I can't say whether or not it isn't necessary for maintaining a balance.
For the sake of argument, let's assume this grossly unscientific and hilariously stupid theory is true: bullying is some kind of deeply embedded behavior designed to weed out weaker members of the population. So fucking what? Humanity, as a species, is not really affected by natural selection anymore, overall. We've advanced further and faster than evolution (which is, of course, incredibly slow) through the development of advanced technology, medicine, and establishing stable societies. We aren't bound by our basest instincts anymore, we as a species aren't teetering on the brink of death anymore (OK fine, we still are, but not because of natural causes, now it's all because of us); we can and have conquered disease and hunger, and there is absolutely no reason why bullying in particular must be surrendered to, out of everything else. We can crack down harder and more often on incidents on bullying, we can provide counseling services to bullied children, we can run campaigns raising awareness and a million other things. There's no reason to throw one's hands up at this particular issue when we've come so far in every other respect.

But that's if bullying was some kind of evolutionary tactic. Which, it isn't. Jesus Christ.

also LOL highlighting typos, what the fuck

Legendary DeMoNk@I said, September 19, 2014, 07:14:10 am
exactly point from begining. simply thrown down and kick ass for yourself and not cry like a bitch when the shitty things start to happen from shitty people^^
this is pretty terrible advice for suicidally depressed kids :-\

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#47  September 19, 2014, 06:27:32 pm
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DKDC said, September 19, 2014, 05:20:23 pm
Like [E] said, it's better to use the actual term so that people understand that those things actually are a crime, like racket and physical abuse/torture and what do you have.

I agree with that as well.

Thinking about it, bullying does sound like a term used to give kids a pass for being "kids" who don't know better, which is bs considering that children are taught and encouraged to be considerate of others and their differences (share, take turns, be kind, etc). It damn sure should't even be a thing in the teenage group when one should know better than to be a antisocial jerk.

Either way, it certainly should be taken more seriously and harsher reprimands should be given for those who engage in such acts, combined with putting more emphasis on programs that genuinely encourage others to "be a better person." Not that it's pointless, but 15 second commercials, while the intention is noble, naturally wouldn't be as effective in sending the message.

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damn nucka you're highlighting typos now? i'm disappointed man

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#49  September 19, 2014, 06:52:44 pm
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Lord forbids they actually use the adult terms. Hell, add what sentencing that term will get you if you decide to continue the act. Freedom usually begat acts of that because people take it for granted. If the boy is learned to assault other people, take them to a juvenile hall-type scenario. That will further help understanding the kid's reasoning. If the child is content on staying, lets understand why. Go to the family. investigate them.

TL;DR: Stop calling it bullying, Tell the child the adult punishment, send them to juvie if they continue, lets point to the family if the child shows no response in juvie.
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Re: Middle school student commits suicide at school
#50  September 19, 2014, 06:54:14 pm
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Niitris said, September 19, 2014, 06:27:32 pm
Thinking about it, bullying does sound like a term used to give kids a pass for being "kids" who don't know better
Yeah, it's one of those things like the phrase "nobody likes a tattletale". It's not a good thing ! It's okay to report stuff when something wrong is going on, and it's not right to teach kids to shut their mouth when they think something is bad ! Only people who do bad things will say that they don't like those who tell on them, of course. but you're not the mafia, and it's not okay to do retaliatory raids on people who sold you to the cops.
In the same way, bullying is attributed to "kids being kids" which is of course tolerable, but then it's too easy to keep that word as a teen when harder shit starts coming up. It's not bullying if the kid kills himself, it's harassment and verbal or physical abuse.
Teach kids to be able to tell when something is wrong.
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#51  September 19, 2014, 07:18:56 pm
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I agree. to add, act upon it. If the kid reports something, that kid is either expecting affirmative action, or is desperate in stopping an act they feel wrong. If we do nothing about it, then that kid will feel that they can't confide with anyone, which is destructive.
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#52  September 19, 2014, 07:58:08 pm
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There's a bit of a fine line between his argument and yours Jmorphman.
 I agree that "natural selection" isn't the best word to use in all situations and that humanity's biggest threat is itself but what do you call the death of  people who refuse medical treatment or vaccines or other such things? Too many people fail to acknowledge that there is such thing as  "fittest" or what have you. Things such as proper hygiene, low risk of  heart disease on both sides of your family, physical fitness. Ect.

HOWEVER, none of that equates to being a "better" person.
And as a society it is our responsibility to regulate and deter any and all unacceptable or harmful behavior that is a detriment to our continued existence.

In a situation like this there is a dead kid and some very alive bullies. Yes, as a society it's our job to help people  like this but the  School System honestly just doesn't give a damn. It'll take something game changing like a mass suicide of students for the system to acknowledge there is a problem instead of suspending the Kids who fight back defending  themselves.

Sure I'm jaded but I honestly feel that's the truth of the world we live in.

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#53  September 19, 2014, 08:32:48 pm
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The Aboriginal One said, September 19, 2014, 07:18:56 pm
I agree. to add, act upon it. If the kid reports something, that kid is either expecting affirmative action, or is desperate in stopping an act they feel wrong. If we do nothing about it, then that kid will feel that they can't confide with anyone, which is destructive.
that, then when the kids grow up they won't report crimes to the police as well, because they have ingrained on their minds that reporting crimes is useless (boy do I know that); I live in a country where the situation is that and if your country is not like that you don't want to arrive there.

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#54  September 19, 2014, 09:45:00 pm
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Bullying was something I thought that never existed til the 6th Grade when those 8th Graders saw I wasn't joking that day they just went on with their business but my bad for getting off topic but Bullying and Fighting in general I feel can be avoided that's why I'm so quiet in Highschool now but even staying quiet is bad now, some kids my age don't do this outside to Nobody and I wouldn't either since I'm on the street at the park most of the time, I fought people bigger then me and I walked away from people smaller then me because it wasn't fair that I picked on someone littler then me but everyone has a ego these days especially in NY. Swear everyone's always asking for the hard way these days, so I think the Bullies should get a healthy serving of what's Jail like. This is from my POV growing up in Brooklyn, NY for 14 Years.

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#55  September 19, 2014, 10:34:06 pm
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DKDC said, September 19, 2014, 05:20:23 pm
B.Hatter 1995 said, September 19, 2014, 06:41:27 am
the guy in turn killed the girl in a dark alleyway by stabbing her to death. [...] prerty asure that counts as bullying and psychosis
Or, you know, murder. Like [E] said, it's better to use the actual term so that people understand that those things actually are a crime, like racket and physical abuse/torture and what do you have.

Ha your right. Fuck was I thinking?


Legendary DeMoNk@I said, September 19, 2014, 07:14:10 am
exactly point from begining. simply thrown down and kick ass for yourself and not cry like a bitch when the shitty things start to happen from shitty people^^
this is pretty terrible advice for suicidally depressed kids :-\
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So what are u suggesting? Confiding in people who dont give a shit at all? Many schools have sadly proved this

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#56  September 19, 2014, 10:49:12 pm
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Stuff like depression are a terrible thing to live through. Until you know exactly what you're doing, just stay clear away from "trying to help", and don't say things like "well duh it's easy dude, just do that" because that's just going to cause much more damage. If you know a kid who has depression issue, just make sure that his parents are aware of it, and hope that they're responsible enough to deal with it properly. If you yourself do want to help, actually document yourself on it and don't try to go at it with your guts. Your guts will be wrong.
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DKDC said, September 19, 2014, 10:49:12 pm
Stuff like depression are a terrible thing to live through. Until you know exactly what you're doing, just stay clear away from "trying to help", and don't say things like "well duh it's easy dude, just do that" because that's just going to cause much more damage. If you know a kid who has depression issue, just make sure that his parents are aware of it, and hope that they're responsible enough to deal with it properly. If you yourself do want to help, actually document yourself on it and don't try to go at it with your guts. Your guts will be wrong.

Fortunately I don't.  But your right, I was only speaking from my point of view but that's a good idea to anyone who is depressed. Should have considered that :-\

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#58  September 20, 2014, 01:21:55 am
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B.Hatter 1995 said, September 19, 2014, 10:34:06 pm
Legendary DeMoNk@I said, September 19, 2014, 07:14:10 am
exactly point from begining. simply thrown down and kick ass for yourself and not cry like a bitch when the shitty things start to happen from shitty people^^
this is pretty terrible advice for suicidally depressed kids :-\

So what are u suggesting? Confiding in people who dont give a shit at all? Many schools have sadly proved this



No. Clearly my words didnt say that. My words are FIGHT for yourself. Dont beat yourself up. Crying isnt going to help but make things worse. Depressed kids are another issue. when i was a kid i wasnt depressed i was just afraid of two things. losing the fight and being embarrassed Or my mom who would be pissed at me because i fought somebody and beat them up even if it was self defense. her thing at one point was to just avoid confrontation. my uncle whom i was very close to disapproved of this because he knew me listening to her and carrying that kind of mentality in that kind of neighborhood would be worse for me and result in disaster in JHS and HS....so he changed all that and gave me a pep talk. Losing isnt really the issue. its if you even fought period and defended yourself. Learn from your bumps and do better next time thats all.

So with that said learning to stick up for myself and fight if i had to helped me instead of going home depressed because i was scared to fight. THAT was what i meant by that. there will always be shitty people in the world. that doesnt mean you have to fold and take their shit verbally or physically. stand up for yourself and dont be a wimp your whole entire life. sympathy isnt given out very easy sad to say by people you dont know
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#59  September 20, 2014, 01:48:45 am
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Legendary DeMoNk@I said, September 20, 2014, 01:21:55 am
So with that said learning to stick up for myself and fight if i had to helped me instead of going home depressed because i was scared to fight.
I don't think depression is caused by fear. If it was, then depressed people would be too scared to commit suicide.

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#60  September 20, 2014, 05:38:03 am
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I didnt say depression was caused by fear. i was saying my issue as a kid wasnt depression. mines was fear.

Legendary DeMoNk@I said, September 20, 2014, 01:21:55 am
when i was a kid i wasnt depressed i was just afraid of two things.




Depression is a deeper issue of different sorts mentally. I can fear spiders (for example) but im not going to be depressed about it entirely where i dont want to live life. I'd just stomp on the spider and move on and feel better its not in my presence to bother me anymore. get it?^^

Anyway I stated that because what i said got confused a bit as if my advice to "depressed kids" is to listen to people who dont give a shit about them who are pretty much shitty people which was wrong of course
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