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#1  September 29, 2012, 09:47:11 pm
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Here's a little something to think about:

There are trees next to each other to form a line of n trees. In one of these trees, there is a monkey. You are a hunter, and you want to shoot the monkey, but you don't know which tree he is in. You can shoot any tree, if the monkey is in it you win, if he isn't, he will move to a tree next to the one he was in before. This tree could also be the one you just shot.

Is there a way for the hunter to be sure to hit the monkey eventually? If so, in how many steps for n trees?

Hint: try small instances of n first. Don't google. Also, use the [spoiler] tag and note if there is a hint, solution or discussion inside.
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I'll get the easy solutions out of the way.

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rajaa: this is similar to a programming question in a contest, the most important thing here is that N can be any number.
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the monkey can move to the tree you just shot.
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rajaa: this is similar to a programming question in a contest, the most important thing here is that N can be any number.
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That's why those are only the solutions for 2 and 3 trees. Not a formula to get the monkey for any amount of trees. The concept is easy to grasp, the single solution for all number of trees, if there is one, requires some thought.


And as Valodim, said your solution doesn't work. If there are three trees and you shoot the first tree and the monkey is in the second tree, then the monkey could either move to the first tree or third tree and your "shoot across all trees until you get it" solution could go on forever, given the monkey is lucky and you are unlucky (probability-wise).
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#7  September 29, 2012, 11:10:42 pm
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Not really good at this but let's try it:

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Unfortunately, developing a formula from these conclusions is something I'm not really good at.
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the monkey can move to the tree you just shot.

yeah, good point, the real hint is that the monkey has to move.

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#10  September 30, 2012, 01:31:02 am
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he can go back, so if you shoot tree one, and he was in tree two, he can move to tree one as you reposition yourself to shoot tree 2.

So the answer is,
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#12  September 30, 2012, 01:48:36 am
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wait what about


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#13  September 30, 2012, 01:53:09 am
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-  Start shooting at tree #1.
-  Shoot all trees in line order until you've shot n amount of trees.
   -  With this process, the monkey will eventually have no place to run. 

nice job using spoilers there.

also you're all wrong :P
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#14  September 30, 2012, 01:56:22 am
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Another way
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#15  September 30, 2012, 01:59:07 am
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this is not a thinking outside the box thing, you can't shoot all trees at once or something like that :P
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it's not a statistical thing either, the question is, how do I reliably and deterministically shoot the monkey, and how many shots do I need

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I swear this is related to something of a sort algorithm.. namely bubble sort.

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I am too busy drinking wine and dressing up for tonight's date to look at this thing right now.

I'd probably use something akin to

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to shot the bloody monkey down.
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#21  September 30, 2012, 02:49:52 am
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this should work in most cases
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What confuses me the most is how exactly the hunter is gonna shoot and kill the monkey obscured in the tree's foliage if he has such terrible eyesight that he can't even notice a monkey jumping from tree to tree; even the one they just shot at. Like, he has to be packing a BFG or a fucking nuke in order to hit anything.

I don't even know why a hunter would be so pissed at a single monkey that he's gonna dedicate his life to killing that monkey in some weirdass forest where there's infinite trees neatly forming a line... unless that monkey is that fucker who your hat from Super Mario 64.
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#24  September 30, 2012, 04:36:28 am
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Fire at random. The monkeys movement is random. Soon as you hit 4 trees you can shoot at trees 1-2 FOREVER and never hit him because he can bounce between 3-4. Unless you hit him on shot 1 and he is in tree 1-2, you can potentially never hit him.

Going up and down the line shooting once doesn't work, you can cross over. Shooting twice is the same deal. Bullet Monkey Tree
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Shooting 3 times is just as pointless
BMTT
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This is going to be based on probability isn't it?

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#25  September 30, 2012, 04:46:23 am
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Why would I want to shoot a monkey? :(


Anyway, keep shooting at the bananas.
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Like, he has to be packing a BFG or a fucking nuke in order to hit anything.

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Oh come on, I expected more from you guys :)
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I am trying to see how it is solvable as the monkey knows where you are going to shot next and he can just loop move as long as N>3, if I were playing monkey I could just move between tree N+1 and N to avoid the specific shot.

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Always assume worst case scenario
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#29  September 30, 2012, 05:29:54 am
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well. that's why it's a riddle ;P

the monkey doesn't "know" where you shoot next. but since the question is how can you be sure you hit him regardless of how he moves, you obviously need to consider the worst case scenario, if that's what you mean.

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#30  September 30, 2012, 05:41:56 am
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#31  September 30, 2012, 06:07:18 am
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Val, yes, that's what I mean by worse case scenario.

to byakko, so now I am the monkey
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#32  September 30, 2012, 06:14:32 am
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if the monkey moves backwards, he can loop between any 2 trees to create a buffer and you are never able to hit him for sure. Worst case scenario you are shooting at trees all day. The only real limitation the monkey has is that if he is in the n tree or in the 1 tree, he can only move towards one place, in all other trees he has two moves he can use .
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The only solution I could possibly think of is to:

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Alternatively:

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#35  September 30, 2012, 06:30:45 am
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Byakko, what i meant was that since he can loop, he doesnt need to have a definitive route, and thus he can loop in place awaiting your approach and jump out at the last minute.
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so, while you can plot out a plan to shoot him, you cant be sure of a order that guarantees a shot landed
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#36  September 30, 2012, 06:39:26 am
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#37  September 30, 2012, 06:46:25 am
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you are assuming one pattern from the monkey, nothing prevents him from crossing you over and returning to the right side or pretty much do anything else, monkeys be crazy yo.
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Where the problem lies. Monkey doesn't have to move away, he just has to move. If you could chase him up and down this is simple enough.

Edit: I see where you are coming from though and if he does enter into some sort of uniform movement in which he is 2 trees away you can catch him. Relies on him almost always going in the same direction though, and you have to keep moving from tree to tree and hope that n is what you need.


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#40  September 30, 2012, 07:31:39 am
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cy: nope, try "playing" as the monkey while teh bullet is teh one that follwo the algorithm, then try to find a way not to get hit, from what I tried the answer has been found, in your example the bullet is not following the algorithm.
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These slashes break in forum formatting. That made sense till i started count tree's, then it just fucks itself over, I have to put it in excel i think to explain.


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#42  September 30, 2012, 08:12:53 am
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let me try to put byakko's solution in simpler terms.

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Thinking about binary search and partitions is what ruined my tries at finding the algorithm as I was too stuck on a method based on that.
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That works a bit better in my head. I think.

Yeah, that makes sense.


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#45  September 30, 2012, 09:42:41 am
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don't concentrate on the monkey, eliminate the possibilities by making the tree unavailable for the monkey to leap back, use something like smoke canister or napalm to shoot the tree with, and empty everything to the last tree.
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You can't start in the middle and use dichotomy since you have no idea where the monkey is, so you can't reliably go to the correct direction. Stupid hunter.

Solved it on my side, didn't read Byakko's post, but I get the same answer : 2*(N-2)

You start from tree n°2 on the left and shoot each tree twice, to make sure he can't pass on the other side. Then you move on the tree just on the right, and shoot twice again. You repeat this process (move one to the right, shoot twice).
In the worst case scenario, monkey is jumping between tree N-1 and N during the whole time, and he'll be shot at iteration 2*(N-2).

Doing it by hand, 3 trees > 2 shots, 4 trees > 4 shots, 5 trees > 6 shots, 6 trees > 8 shots, so the case is proven for the small numbers of N.
Now you have to do a simple recurrence relation.
If you have N trees, let's assume the number of required shots is 2*(N-2).
In the case trees = N+1, the monkey gains one more tree to jump to, so you'll have to shoot an additional tree twice.
The number of required shots = 2*(N-2)+2 = 2*((N+1)-2). Hence, the case is solved for N+1.
End of problem.
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That's also the first answer given by a Google search. ;D
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#48  September 30, 2012, 01:24:48 pm
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You can't start in the middle and use dichotomy since you have no idea where the monkey is, so you can't reliably go to the correct direction. Stupid hunter.

Solved it on my side, didn't read Byakko's post, but I get the same answer : 2*(N-2)

You start from tree n°2 on the left and shoot each tree twice, to make sure he can't pass on the other side. Then you move on the tree just on the right, and shoot twice again. You repeat this process (move one to the right, shoot twice).
That doesn't work.
The monkey is on the second tree to your right, you shoot your tree once
The monkey moves on the tree just on your right, you shoot the same tree a second time
The monkey moves on the tree you just shot, while you go to the tree on your right ; you missed it.

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#50  September 30, 2012, 03:32:10 pm
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@Cybaster: That would be a bit simple wouldn't it :P

Byakko got it right all along. Nice job :)

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#51  September 30, 2012, 08:04:55 pm
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but if the monkey takes a step back  and one forward at any point in the line he will change from even to uneven, are we supposing that the monkey walks always in the same direction?
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#52  September 30, 2012, 08:21:23 pm
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No, the distance won't change from even to uneven, no matter if he steps back and then forth, since you're moving together with him. You're moving one step, he's moving one step, so in two steps total, the change in the distance has to be either -2, +0, or +2 depending on if you're moving the same direction (+0), away from each other (+2) or toward each other (-2). The distance remains an even number.
You're the one who decides when it changes by repeating a shot once on the same tree : the monkey has to move one, and you don't, so the total difference is only one.
The monkey always moving away is the worst case scenario, but if you swipe the full line once, and then back, he must have passed you once but he won't be able to pass you a second time if you changed the distance to an uneven number by not moving when he moved only one step.
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#53  October 01, 2012, 08:41:15 am
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you are right, I wasnt thinking of it like that. by repeating a shot near the end you are guaranteeing that he wasnt in the last place and setting up yourself so that at worse you are getting him with the next swipe.
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Nope. That's what Cybaster said, but it's not enough to hit the monkey ;)
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#56  October 02, 2012, 01:21:43 am
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bah my solution is the best, obliterate the tree one by one.
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#58  October 02, 2012, 01:54:57 am
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the hunter should be able to shoot faster than the monkey's jump otherwise all shooting patter is useless
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#59  October 02, 2012, 02:07:47 am
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Dang, Twilight's smarter then this ENTIRE forum combined!

We need to do better next time! We can not let her beat us again!
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yes because I posted the riddle and made you all look stupid for not knowing the answer from the start. me am smart.

nice job with this one. more riddles as I find 'em ;)
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I'll solve the next riddle and wipe that smug look off your face Twilight!
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Twilight is smarter than pikachu.
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#65  October 04, 2012, 01:11:47 am
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who has the cutest rump of the two
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define cute, twilight's rump has a better shape, is more defined and muscular but it's lacking fat and roundness, pikachu's romp is less defined, is bigger but it's softer and nicer to the tact.
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"nicer to the tact" what does that even mean :P
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I don't know, but I think means "nicer to touch".

Guess no one like to touch you Twilight!
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#71  October 12, 2012, 04:22:57 am
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Alas, the monkey is revealed.  No more riddles?
I got a few good ones if no one else does.
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#72  October 12, 2012, 12:01:08 pm
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I'd be up for it, if you got some. :)
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#73  October 12, 2012, 06:53:23 pm
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Awesome, ok here we go.  This is a two part one.  First, the first part:

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3 Men are captured by a tribe of cannibals, who happen to have a test to see if the men stupid enough to be eaten.  If the men pass, they'll be set free.  Here is the test: 

At noon, the 3 men are put in a line, front to back, so the guy in the back can see the front two, the guy in the middle can see the front guy, and the guy in front can't see anyone.  The cannibals have a bag containing 3 black hats and 2 white hats, and one hat, chosen randomly from the bag, is placed on each of the mens heads. The cannibal chief then says "If any of you can tell us the color of the hat on your own head before sundown, you can all go free.  Absolutely NO communication can take place between you.  Only one word is allowed to be spoken once from the entire group, and that is to be the color of the hat on the head of the speaker, got it?"    :crowngrin:

Hours go bye, and then finally just before sunset the man in the front says with confidence the color of his hat correctly and they all go free.  What color was his hat and how did he know?
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#74  October 12, 2012, 07:34:25 pm
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Pretty easy one.
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#75  October 12, 2012, 07:34:55 pm
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Tough one o_O

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#76  October 12, 2012, 07:56:38 pm
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Yeah, Byakko you're right.  Did you figure it out yourself?

So Valodim, do you think I should leave it up for a little while and let other people have a go at it before I break out part 2, or should we move it right along?
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#77  October 12, 2012, 07:59:50 pm
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No, I asked the little fairies that come see me when I feel real good with strange smokes.
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#78  October 12, 2012, 09:06:31 pm
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That's an easy one. Without looking at any answers:

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Post part 2 or whatever!
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#79  October 12, 2012, 09:38:43 pm
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Ok here goes part 2:

After answering correctly, the 3 men are set free.  The cannibals are evil, and follow them back to their camp, where they then capture 10 people.  True to form, the cannibals give the 10 people a test to see if their stupid enough to be eaten.  Their test is this:
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All 10 of them are put into a mud hut which is guarded by the fiercest most fucked up cannibals in the village.  They can not escape.  They are told that tomorrow they will all be lined up in the same fashion as before, the person in the back can see everyone, the person in the front can see no one.  They will each then have either a black or white hat placed randomly on their head.  There is no limit to how many hats of each color there are.  This time the bag is magic.  Like Byakko's fairies.  The chief will then start at the back of the line, and they will each be allowed to say One word and One word only. It must be either 'black' or 'white'.  Each person who get's the color of their own hat right can go free, each person who is wrong will be eaten.

They get one night to talk amongst themselves and try to figure out a system by which they can save as many as possible.  What system will save the most of them?   :huh2:

Hint: There is no system that will certainly save everyone.  :skull:

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#80  October 12, 2012, 09:49:04 pm
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lets give it a try.
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#81  October 12, 2012, 09:53:45 pm
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Please feel free to give answers for part 1 too.  I'm always looking for a more concise way to explain that answer.
I run a kitchen, and on some shifts I give riddles to my crew.  I've given both of these lots of times, and I've never seen anyone answer part 1 quickly and easily (except one kid who already knew it), so don't feel bad.   No ones ever gotten part 2.  Of course they are always paying attention to their jobs while trying to figure it out...

And thanks all for the awesome use of spoilage.
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#82  October 12, 2012, 09:54:06 pm
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Oh, that's a bit tricky since we can give an answer that will save some, but we don't know if there's a way to save more, so we can't confirm we get the right answer.
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#83  October 13, 2012, 08:33:33 pm
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to be fair about the first one, I heard it in similar expression before, so maybe it's harder than I think :)

ok here we go, proper solution ;)

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#84  October 14, 2012, 05:03:24 am
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to be fair about the first one, I heard it in similar expression before, so maybe it's harder than I think :)

ok here we go, proper solution ;)

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Yes! Very well done Valodim!  First person I've ever seen answer that correctly, and I've asked quite a few.  Never programmers tho, probably the most logical people on the planet.  Your prize: More riddles!  (if I owned the world, I would give you a small country, but we'll leave that to the future.)

2 quickie joke style riddles, and a match stick one right quick:  (the next one will be more difficult :) )

1) What gets wetter as it dries?

2) When is a door not a door?
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#85  October 14, 2012, 09:08:35 am
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Seen the matchstick one before but i'm unsure if you've done it right


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#87  October 14, 2012, 06:53:17 pm
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Cyanide nicely done on the two word riddles, and Vegeta yeah that's technically the right answer, but there is an alternate one to:
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Ok moving on.  Here's a fun one that ruined my day back in high-school once.  I love dropping this one on the crew, because even after they hear the answer, it still messes with their heads.

The Case of the Missing Dollar:

3 men rent a hotel room for the night.  The fee is $30, so they each pay $10 at the front desk, and go up to their room.  Later that evening the hotel manager remembers the 'weekday discount', and that the price of the room should have been $25.  He gives the bellboy $5 to bring up to the mens room.  The men decide that 5 is difficult to split 3 ways, so they give the bellboy a $2 tip and keep a dollar for each of themselves.  All seems well until the manager goes to do his book keeping.  He thinks "If each of them paid $9, and 9 x 3 is 27, plus the $2 that the bellboy kept, that's only $29.  Where is my missing dollar!?"
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#88  October 14, 2012, 07:04:54 pm
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