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MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#1  January 31, 2014, 05:48:14 pm
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Recent events concerned a series of posts made in Jesuszilla's WIP thread have resulted in a series of discussion amongst ourselves about the nature of certain character's readmes, and invectives directed at various users contained within. We have come to the conclusion that we should apply the same standards that govern posts made in this forum to any and all things released on this forum. Using your creations as a way to insult people, whether it's in the readme or the character itself is against the rules. Creations featuring such things will not be welcome on this forum. What is expressed in a character should be under the exact same scrutiny as what is posted on the forums. Inflammatory and or derogatory remarks, lists, or otherwise will not be tolerated.

We try to aim for a higher level of discourse. Things like insults, call outs, petty attacks, and the like, all of these aim to destroy the one thing we should have uniting us, a sense of community. A community thrives not on the lowered discourse of petty drama and grudges, but on the acceptance of new members and engaging in polite discourse amongst them.

In the past we have had readmes inciting insults towards members, whole chars made to insult people, even stages made to be racist and vulgar against members of the community.  We should be past all of this, and putting it under the guise of folly is no excuse, considering it will still rile up people and cause discomfort, lowering us all in the eyes of outsiders. A technically marvelous stage, made up of rotating pieces that read "Fuck You Infantry", does more damage to the community as a whole than a thousand badly coded characters with 8-bit graphics that turn into KFM whenever they punch.

It doesn't matter if it's all some kind of elaborate in-joke. The very fact that it has bothered people, continues to bother people, will continue to bother people is all that matters. This is a problem. It cannot be swept under the rug, or excused. This crack down will go into effect in 1 week. All we ask is to simply remove the offending portions from the readmes for future releases. We look forward to discussions about your creations being focused on what they should be: the fantastic work itself.

This has been something we should've done ages and ages ago. In the past this was exceedingly common, but has just about died out. While we wish we could say that this is a universal rule change meant not to single out only one user, the fact is is that there's really only one person who's still doing this. :-\

Feel free to leave posts in this thread to keep JZ's WIP thread from exploding.
Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 06:07:02 pm by Just No Point

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#2  January 31, 2014, 06:17:52 pm
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Do you feel this should be stickied or possibly made thread of the week??
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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm
I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.
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#3  January 31, 2014, 06:22:00 pm
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Hah. Nah, TOW is for helping authors. This is just politics. And it's just a simple statement to enforce a rule we really already had. Such things don't need a sticky.

Thanks for asking.

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#4  January 31, 2014, 06:31:11 pm
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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm
I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.
GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am
There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

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#5  January 31, 2014, 06:48:00 pm
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So I believe this also implies to that nazi screenpack thread right?  Since nazi swastikas are purposely aimed to promote hate, racism and destruction against other people even if its a joke cmon that thread should be deleted IMO.... now going back on topic, what are the measures you guys are gonna take against those found releases since some of them come from forums that most def have a different view from the guild when it comes to rules, is the user gonna have to edit the file before posting it on the thread? thus maybe causing some issues with the original creator?...
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Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 07:11:21 pm by Lord Kain

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#6  January 31, 2014, 06:53:16 pm
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As far as measures go, I think that will be handled on a case by case basis and JNP's post states how we're doing things very clearly. I wouldn't want to promote shitty banter from anyone, let alone how that would affect future replies and overall forum climate/temperature.

While I'm still new to this, I do feel that we should crack down on the riff-raff. We're here to promote our love of Mugen, not nonsense.

However, it wasn't the Nazi thing in particular. I mean, he linked it!!

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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm
I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.
GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am
There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

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#7  January 31, 2014, 07:15:48 pm
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I know its not about the nazi thread , I did read jesuszilla's thread before posting this, I said that the nazi thread implies to what jnp said aswell...since he not only mentined readmes but also screenpacks, characters and stages doing the unnecessery display
"Given the choice; whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the Fates for another throw a better throw against one's destiny... what was a king to do?
Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 07:34:44 pm by Lord Kain

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#8  January 31, 2014, 07:31:00 pm
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nazi svastikas should not be banned per se; it's about the intention as tds said. if you have a game/stage that happens in the wwii you need svastikas for the germany stage, or maybe you fight some nazi vampires who eat babies, as long as it is a proper work. but if the release is a cheaply made stage just to stir some drama over the use of the svastika, then that's a banned release.

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#9  January 31, 2014, 07:38:12 pm
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despite the verbose first post this rule change won't affect more than 2 people at best

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#10  January 31, 2014, 07:43:30 pm
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We won't be looking in releases ourselves. We will wait for someone to mention it in thread or report it.
I still don't fully think the intent of the nazi release was to insult. That one is extremely borderline and had the author also posted anything somewhat hateful the release would have been removed.

We do not encourage anyone to edit a readme from someone else so they may announce the release in found releases. However that brings up a very valid point. This could be abused as a way to prevent releases from being announced here. In the past authors have actually resorted to posting viruses to deter the announcing of it here. So I would not be against someone doing as such to post it. So those few people that might try it should consider that.

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#11  January 31, 2014, 07:52:31 pm
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Pretty much releases like that one guy that kept doing a char mocking ilu and stages where your most hated person is being ran over by cars and that kind of stuff are disallowed.

We always sort of deleted them whenever it become apparent, under the dont be a shithead rule, but now its clearer.

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#12  January 31, 2014, 08:25:08 pm
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Joking aside I don't really see why is this so needed, the
Notes like the "fuck you" lists inside txt files aren't so
Popular. The people who usually have such section aren't
Serious at all. And the people who ARE serious about it
Usually end up leaving anyway
Cause' they get bored of mugen and are dumb or lack any
Knowledge to keep coding
Stuff for it. You can also just hide messages without being explicit.
pls

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#13  January 31, 2014, 08:33:03 pm
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Pretty much releases like that one guy that kept doing a char mocking ilu
I remember people doing this on the past, or there are someone still doing this? lol

I don't give a damn about it neither affects me. I think that rule is not necessary, but...maybe it will works.

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And the people who ARE serious about it
Usually end up leaving anyway
Cause' they get bored of mugen and are dumb or lack any
Knowledge to keep coding

This.

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#14  January 31, 2014, 08:44:09 pm
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-Red- said, January 31, 2014, 08:25:08 pm
Joking aside I don't really see why is this so needed, the
Notes like the "fuck you" lists inside txt files aren't so
Popular. The people who usually have such section aren't
Serious at all. And the people who ARE serious about it
Usually end up leaving anyway
Cause' they get bored of mugen and are dumb or lack any
Knowledge to keep coding
Stuff for it. You can also just hide messages without being explicit.
:nicepost:

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#15  January 31, 2014, 08:45:53 pm
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Would it be OK to admit that I only posted that to see your reaction?
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#16  January 31, 2014, 08:47:42 pm
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It's necessary because it's being done right this moment in the thread that was linked. And it still antagonizes and makes it look like we condone it.

If it is as harmless as being suggested then there should be no problem removing it either. There is no good reason to knowingly belittle a person in your releases, read mes, or anywhere else for that matter.

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#17  January 31, 2014, 08:49:08 pm
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Crap now I can't put Evilhomer in my special fucks list 7 times for silly reasons because he's one of my best friends. Damn you children and your censorship demanding presence.

Vans said, January 15, 2014, 10:25:02 pm
I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.

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#18  January 31, 2014, 08:59:02 pm
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I don't see why you would go this far with creations but not disallowing all forms of ridicule, mockery, or insults on the forum. As not to tolerate or condone that type of behavior.

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#19  January 31, 2014, 09:00:07 pm
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Just No Point said, January 31, 2014, 08:47:42 pm
It's necessary because it's being done right this moment in the thread that was linked. And it still antagonizes and makes it look like we condone it.

If it is as harmless as being suggested then there should be no problem removing it either. There is no good reason to knowingly belittle a person in your releases, read mes, or anywhere else for that matter.

Right. More importantly though, it enforces some type of governing rule to be careful how you go about posting. Some people are offended, for example, by Nazis and some are not. So while your joke may be unintentional, others may not see it that way. Thinking through before you post something as such has better chances of keeping nonsense replies to a minimum.

While there will always be something to mod or talk about, it's nice to take steps to ensure as much smooth sailing that we can.
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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm
I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.
GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am
There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

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#20  January 31, 2014, 09:08:23 pm
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Caddie said, January 31, 2014, 08:59:02 pm
I don't see why you would go this far with creations but not disallowing all forms of ridicule, mockery, or insults on the forum. As not to tolerate or condone that type of behavior.



I thought we were trying to do that? Sometimes it can be a bit tougher to deal with after it's escalated and both sides are doing it. But we're working on it. I've been going as far as telling "victims" to pm me directly if someone is constantly picking at them.
That's a bit tougher to always deal with than the rarity of this situation.

 Always be sure to report or pm a staff member.
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