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MUGEN Releases tact and values refined (Read 8177 times)

Started by Just No Point, January 31, 2014, 05:48:14 pm
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#41  January 31, 2014, 11:59:11 pm
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I'm pretty sure that's a form of violation toward freedom of speech but since this isn't a US only forum that goes out the window or whatever.
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#42  February 01, 2014, 12:14:50 am
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#44  February 01, 2014, 03:59:18 am
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#45  February 01, 2014, 04:02:11 am
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#46  February 01, 2014, 04:28:39 am
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#47  February 01, 2014, 04:43:27 am
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there's no logical reason i can't post "GBK is a fucking shitdick and should kill himself" yet i can post my character with a readme that has a large section dedicated to GBK being a shitdick. i shouldn't get banned for it, my post shouldn't get deleted, but a moderator should tell me to cut that shit out.
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#48  February 01, 2014, 08:35:33 am
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I see this not so much as a rule that is trying to actively protect people from the heinous crimes of two or so fringe idiots who actually do this shit. It is just a safeguard to keep up the credibility of Guild as a place for quality work.
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#49  February 01, 2014, 12:28:56 pm
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The only thing this conversation reminded me about so far is that the mods are willing to create even more guideline rules just because of one person who did something like that years ago. I'm honestly starting to think that this has more to do with JZ than whatever happened in the thread itself (And don't bring that "he's not that important/ we don't aim at him/ he's just one more user" excuse, we all know that's not true, especially for some of the staff and ex staff). The issue died so fast it didn't really need something like this thread. If it's a rule you all kept in mind since forever then why even talk about it? Do you think the one or two people who would do this will stop just because you told them to? If anything it makes them want to do it even more.

I'm sure he wasn't even going to include such section in the new characters but now you all had to do this just to push him to do that even more. Way to get backfired :V . Is it childish? Maybe? But you guys pretty much asked for it :P

I'm with Cyanide on this. He explains most of the things I think about this with a far smaller amount of words :P

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#50  February 01, 2014, 02:31:20 pm
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This is far too specific. Is doesn't affect enough users for it to be even mentioned. But as always, no one here ever wants to move on, so they refuse to drop things that are irrelevant.

Feel free to leave posts in this thread to keep JZ's WIP thread from exploding.

Lets do that then.

This is, actually, some great news. Conveniently, Drex is working on some color separated sprites for Kyosuke in case you don´t know.
If you know anything about the history between Drex and Jesuszilla, this probably won't be of much use to him :(

So this is where it started. Jango brings up something that is ancient history and is no longer valid.

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I also told JZ to ignore what Jango said in the thread (which lead to his first question). The point is even if you try and enforce this on users, someone will still try and bring it up even after the dust has settled. Let's say JZ cleans up his readmes. Someone will say something like "what happened to your fuck you liiiiiiiiist~~~~~~~ " in a shameless attempt to create conflict.

Damage has been done already. No one will ever forget who said "fuck you" to them. Wouldn't it have just been easier to PM or email the users that this involved? As a global mod ordinary nobody I think this would have been the best coa.  :)
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#51  February 01, 2014, 02:36:51 pm
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The only thing this conversation reminded me about so far is that the mods are willing to create even more guideline rules just because of one person who did something like that years ago.
That's usually how rules work. Some person does something that wasn't expected to be a problem, and then a rule is made to deter the problem. The rule being the result of 1 person or 20 persons doesn't make it any less of a rule.

I'm honestly starting to think that this has more to do with JZ than whatever happened in the thread itself (And don't bring that "he's not that important/ we don't aim at him/ he's just one more user" excuse, we all know that's not true, especially for some of the staff and ex staff). The issue died so fast it didn't really need something like this thread. If it's a rule you all kept in mind since forever then why even talk about it?
The reason why the guideline was brought to everyone's attention is right in the first post and it's not a secret that it's the result of Jesuszilla's actions. You're essentially making a straw man argument because you're arguing against a point that was already admitted to, and you're attacking it as if it's some hidden agenda, even though, once again, it isn't.

Do you think the one or two people who would do this will stop just because you told them to? If anything it makes them want to do it even more.
Here are two major functions of rules:

1. Provide a guideline for people who wish to obey the rules, so that they do not break the rules and receive punishment.
2. Provide a basis for the punishment of people who deliberately aren't willing to follow the rules.

Therefore, it doesn't matter who rules will affect at any given time because rules are an agreement between the users and the staff (you agreed to them when you registered to the forum). Also, rules don't make people commit offenses (act out) even more because that's simply not how logic works. All rules do is make certain actions forbidden, and since so few people fit the criteria of this specific rule, it won't create more rule breakers. People who aren't willing to follow rules are a minority and will continue to be rule breakers, regardless of the presence of any rule against any of the actions they might take.
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#52  February 01, 2014, 03:25:54 pm
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If it's not too much trouble, could you guys point me to the staff discussion in order to read how the decision was made?
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#53  February 01, 2014, 04:13:09 pm
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Koopakoot, someone calling out JZ with malicious intents after he 'cleans' his readmes is a different scenario. That'd be standard thread derailment and we would split/delete/give a warning or whatever in said scenario.

The difference is that when he willingly releases anything with his fuck yous attached he's throwing the first jab. Don't want people to reply to, or inquire about your ramblings? don't make them public then!
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#54  February 01, 2014, 04:23:33 pm
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It seems more like a reminder rather than a new rule. I mean, releases that promote blatant hate speech (towards people) is disallowed, I don't see why readmes with passive-aggressive shots (towards people) would be excluded. I doubt re-stating this would have any real effect on anyone who's been here for years... I could be underestimating people though, so idk. I guess it was probably just something to highlight why these things shouldn't be done.

Also...

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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#55  February 01, 2014, 05:15:28 pm
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Koopakoot, someone calling out JZ with malicious intents after he 'cleans' his readmes is a different scenario. That'd be standard thread derailment and we would split/delete/give a warning or whatever in said scenario.

The difference is that when he willingly releases anything with his fuck yous attached he's throwing the first jab. Don't want people to reply to, or inquire about your ramblings? don't make them public then!

So until his readmes are cleaned up, derailing his wip threads is fair game? It's happening right now, so I guess that's the case. Also since this is clearly aimed at one person (you didn't mention all the users who have similar readmes), why is this all public? As I said in my last post, wouldn't a PM have sufficed?
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Re: MUGEN Releases tact and values refined
#56  February 01, 2014, 05:45:26 pm
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How many active members do that nowadays? You don't expect us to scanvenge for pre- 2007/2010/whatever date readmes of people that may or may not have posted in this forum at one point and tell them to change them, right?

We don't expect Jesuzilla to take down his files are reupload them 'clean' ipso facto. We don't need such sign of good will, though it would certainly be better than two empty 'no' posts. The only thing we expect from Jz is him not posting his fuck you lists anywhere near 'our turf', if he wishes to announce his works here, or consider himself the blameless party when someone else brings his fuck you list up (because it totally IS his fault).


     Posted: February 01, 2014, 05:51:31 pm
(Cont.)

We choose to make this public, because again, 'fair warning', it's best if our userbase knows what is and what isn't acceptable (and too many people thought Jz's behavior acceptable) for future infractors.

Plus, if Jesuzilla feels entitled to tell the world he thinks lowly (be it partially a joke or dead serious) of a handful of people then why can't we tell him, within the 'borders' of our forum, that we don't want him to do so?
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#57  February 01, 2014, 05:55:36 pm
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#58  February 01, 2014, 05:56:56 pm
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Koopakoot, you were stillstaff when we started discussing this, it was even that event you dealt with that started this internal discussion.

why do all defenses to this behaviour ignore completely the actions he takes and the people he offends or insults?

Why do all keep making allowances specifically to a guy because he is your friend?

Why is it more shocking to warn ahead that he will start getting moderated over those than it is that he is doing it and has been doing for a long time?

Koop , If he had gotten moderated over it in a couple of weeks without a pubilc warning now then you would all be here claiming persecution. It says so in the first post that this had to be made public due to how many people were praising the insults, how is it shocking then that it was made public?

Even that derail, you are basically asking that someone doesnt get to answer for what he types inside what he releases. How can you be surprised someone replied to a trigger named "massah" , a racist word? Not to mention the trigger potshoting balthazar.
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#59  February 01, 2014, 05:57:32 pm
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I'd like to add in that PM's to JZ have been sent before, but with... unfavorable results. Compound that with multiple happenings of issues like this and we have every reason to take the steps that we are.

Lastly, and as I've said before, you can't police everything. That's impossible. However, you can take preventative measures to make sure that things like this are properly handled and avoided as best as possible. If things like this do continue, you get a ripple effect of "Hell, I don't like that community because of XX and YY, so I'm going elsewhere." That has happened with other communities that I've tried to post in (Mugen or not). Due to how the "climate" or whatever you want to call it was poorly handled and things similar to this happened, I don't want to go to those places.
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#60  February 01, 2014, 06:34:39 pm
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why do all defenses to this behaviour ignore completely the actions he takes and the people he offends or insults?

Why do all keep making allowances specifically to a guy because he is your friend?

Why is it more shocking to warn ahead that he will start getting moderated over those than it is that he is doing it and has been doing for a long time?
this, so hard

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