DKDC said, November 26, 2014, 08:22:50 pmI'm more inclined to think it's on purpose that they picked Freeza, and they'll come up with an explanation that will be the bulk of the whole point of the movie (a revival after more than a year, and how he'll stand up to god-level guys). We simply don't know it yet, we can have nothing more than wild speculations. The first teasers were talking about a catastrophic wish, after all, so something must be going wrong for Freeza to revive and not be ridiculously weak.As for the new outfit, I'm nearly convinced that Goku is the one who's been training with Bills or Wills or he found someone new related to them. There's no way he wouldn't insist on getting such an opportunity after the BoG fight, and Bills saw the Super Saiyan God level so Goku should have caught his fancy.Yeah, we're lacking too much information now, but that's exactly what does make speculating more interesting Bastard Mami said, November 26, 2014, 08:23:51 pmany ball-related limit is set by the namekian/kamisama that is in charge of the balls, so it's a very easy "retcon", just make a different namekian be in create the balls.Yeah, thought about that too that they may have upgraded their Dragon Balls again.
On the whole Tien vs Cell thing, it's been glazed over before that a power level is more or less excess energy that can be exerted freely and regenerated over time with rest however, if you push beyond that you literally use up your life energy and can die pretty easily as a result. King Kai mentioned it when Goku asked the people of earth for more energy for the spirit bomb before.Hercule got more volunteers. That's how Tien even managed to hold Cell back for as long as he did. On-topic: I think an alternate universe would be a good setup for the movie if they really wanna up the stakes and tie into Beerus' tease at the end of BOtG.
Kane when you're watching the anime, you can see bad guys in Hell with their bodies, so it's possible, no?After I think I remember the rule you were talking about too.I think It's time for me to open again my 42 books. Let's check stuff now!
Making this movie will take place in another universe or parallel dimension, and not cross over into the one we're all familiar with would be stupid and potentially destroy a ton of the canon that's been established if they didn't form the story properly.
Hephaistos31 said, November 26, 2014, 09:30:32 pmKane when you're watching the anime, you can see bad guys in Hell with their bodies, so it's possible, no?After I think I remember the rule you were talking about too.I think It's time for me to open again my 42 books. Let's check stuff now! Yeah I know about the scene and also liked it but as I reread a few chapters I realized that there wasn't such a scene, therefore it's a filler scene and not canon. Hoshi said, November 26, 2014, 09:49:17 pmMaking this movie will take place in another universe or parallel dimension, and not cross over into the one we're all familiar with would be stupid and potentially destroy a ton of the canon that's been established if they didn't form the story properly.That might be the case, I also think that's it actually very unlikely to happen but again, it was just an idea of mine I'm kinda interested how Akira will pull this off. And by the way, the History of Trunks Special, was one of my favorites so I don't think that it would be that stupid. It could give an interesting twist to it, giving other characters a moment to shine though I guess that DKDC was right, when he said that the concept of different universes in Battle of Gods wasn't meant in such a way.
Most Dragonball Z Movies are just side stories, uncannon. This could be a uncannon Story. Even so, didn't Akira Toriyama say when they were developing the previous Battle Of Gods Movie that power levels didn't matter anymore? Maybe he goes with the early Dragonball team battle idea. You know all Z-Warriors were able to battle with the villian. He could be moving back where he wants everyone to fight again there.
Omega said, November 27, 2014, 12:46:51 pmMost Dragonball Z Movies are just side stories, uncannon. This could be a uncannon Story.No.
All of those moviews being made by toryama directly are canon, they are more canon than gt or anything of the like.Toryama was also the designer for many of the movies so I wouldnt be surprised if he brought anyone from them back.to clarify, this means:=> son goku and his friends anniversary episode : Where the gang takes turns pulling turnips and fighting avocado=> Battle of the gods: Where the gang realizes that power levels are bullshit=> New freeza movie: where the gang fisticuffs with God freezaare canon and happen either in place of the original ending or before it.
Iced said, November 27, 2014, 01:15:11 pmAll of those moviews being made by toryama directly are canon, they are more canon than gt or anything of the like.Toryama was also the designer for many of the movies so I wouldnt be surprised if he brought anyone from them back.to clarify, this means:=> son goku and his friends anniversary episode : Where the gang takes turns pulling turnips and fighting avocado=> Battle of the gods: Where the gang realizes that power levels are bullshit=> New freeza movie: where the gang fisticuffs with God freezaare canon and happen either in place of the original ending or before it.Yeah, the special with Vegeta's brother is canon considering that he was mentioned in Battle of Gods. Also Battle of God is set between the 10 year timeskip at the end and the new movie with Freezer is set after Battle of Gods. And to quote Akira Toriyama:Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.
Haha, no kidding ? He really wants to drop all the power level stuff he was pushed to build at the end of the Cell Saga and into the Buu Saga. It also sounds exactly like what he tried to do with Ultimate Gohan, implying he tried it back then but had to go back to SSJ3 Goku finishing off Buu, and now that he has free rein, he's going for it again : out with the many levels of transformation, no SSJ14 and such.Also, if he views the other states as "powered up variations", it sounds like introducing Super Saiyan God was an attempt at developing really different things : there's SSJ, and there's SSJGod that's something else entirely. Since SSJ God should be gone now, maybe there's going to be something new again, more different forms, who knows.Also yeah, on the movie canon thing, don't mix up the old movies that were made as fillers and just by / for the studio that did the anime (the Thales, Slug, Cooler, Bojack etc. movies) and the ones that Toriyama specifically wanted to make to restart the series.
The main sin that haunted him forever was introducing power levels early in the saiyan saga. It bounded him. People would say "So this numerical value exists, so more is better" and he had to do more and more until shit got crazy out of control.
I know that post was made in a sarcastic fashion, but my take on power levels is that they mean nothing after scouters weren't being used in the series. It's all about X being stronger than Y.
it was funny because scouters ended up being used specifically to show the powerlevels as being extremely fallible."HAH he is just a eight, hold my beer and watch this."
Goku used the Kaioken in his SSJ state against Pikkon in afterlife but, that was all filler. Now that Akira Toriyama makes such variations, it would be Excellent to see the Kaioken move back in action as it gives more power. Maybe Goku could upgrade it and use it without limits till the battle ends. So how stronger he becomes, how stronger his Kaioken becomes there.
kaioken puts a burden on the body but can be used in smaller amounts of time; what I mean is that I am under the impression that kaioken has been mastered so it has stopped being sucha big a factor, kind of like flying and teleporting.
That is true but, limits like that could be updated as Akira Toriyama did similiar with the USSJ form. It was a strong form but, it was decreasing speed. Vegeta for example never used it the way Trunks did. Goku figured it's weakness and stayed as a SSJ with Gohan to keep it's power and speed. A similiar thing like this could be done with Kaioken. Maybe King Kai could figure something out and tell, inform Goku about it.
Wow....so your telling me that whole time during Dragonball, Mr.Po Po was way stronger than King Piccolo, WOW LOL I didnt even know that lol
Mr. Popo's shown to be in a league of his own immediately after Goku defeats King Piccolo. If Popo > Goku and Goku > King Piccolo, then the logical conclusion is...
