UrbaneVirtuoso said, October 17, 2014, 07:02:51 am

Might as well throw in a fucking school.

^^
DLC..

If this don't influence kids and people to go ape shit I don't know what will smh..

Why is everyone going "social justice warrior" on the game?
It's like GTA with better graphics and more killing
The only scene I found particualry shocking in the trailer is the "execution" style murder anyway...

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 08:24:38 pm

Why is everyone going "social justice warrior" on the game?
It's like GTA with better graphics and more killing
The only scene I found particualry shocking in the trailer is the "execution" style murder anyway...

not a fair comparison, gta has tons of other stuff you can do besides killing. this is taking the "killing innocents" mechanic of gta and making it its own game.

This is a good write-up about the game.

Iced said, October 17, 2014, 11:46:15 am

If they had their way we would be burning games like they did with comics.

Yeah, I dunno about all that. That's a really disingenuous comparison; there's a fairly significant boundary between "this has no reason to exist/this shouldn't exist" and "this deserves to be destroyed so it no longer exists because it is poisoning the childrens". Like, I dunno, here's a bad comparison: the difference between saying the New 52 shouldn't exist and actually going out and burning down DC Comics, say.

Gaza Haganer said, October 17, 2014, 08:40:45 pm

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 08:24:38 pm

Why is everyone going "social justice warrior" on the game?
It's like GTA with better graphics and more killing
The only scene I found particualry shocking in the trailer is the "execution" style murder anyway...

not a fair comparison, gta has tons of other stuff you can do besides killing. this is taking the "killing innocents" mechanic of gta and making it its own game.

If the game is bult around that, than that's the point of the game, it's a mechanic like any other
No one bats an eye about violent movies, no one bats an eye about books with questionable themes, so why do people still "flip" when a new violent game comes out?

Nothing game wise or book wise needs to adhere to a standart minimum of ART or whatever to be allowed to exist.  And yes i do think that starting to argue that something shouldnt exist because of ethics or whatever is a step towards trying to censor or ban things like it happened with the books. 

They took your porn and horror comic books and it completely neutered the american comic book for decades until Vertigo started pushing decent comics for adults again.

ive seen horror exploitation movies, its the same formula, but generally they dont get high profile releases like this do they? just wondering

i cant remember the last "exploitation film" that got a theatrical release, that wasnt r rated and not that bad

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 09:27:36 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 17, 2014, 08:40:45 pm

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 08:24:38 pm

Why is everyone going "social justice warrior" on the game?
It's like GTA with better graphics and more killing
The only scene I found particualry shocking in the trailer is the "execution" style murder anyway...

not a fair comparison, gta has tons of other stuff you can do besides killing. this is taking the "killing innocents" mechanic of gta and making it its own game.

If the game is bult around that, than that's the point of the game, it's a mechanic like any other
No one bats an eye about violent movies, no one bats an eye about books with questionable themes, so why do people still "flip" when a new violent game comes out?

because the whole point of this is violence, theres no other plot, like most of the other stuff

basically because its trying so hard to get negative attention like this, its getting it. not that hard to understand.

If people dont want to see more games like those they should vote with their wallets and not buy those , not try to make campaigns against it or shit like that. To me, the act of trying to convince others that this shouldnt exist is the first steps that eventually leads to stuff like the book burning with praying americans.

Also that game looks like shit so far, but it barely rates anything in the shock o meter. Not even close to those hollywood movies about torture porn that people are so into those days.

If this game featured zombies, cyborgs, a militia or Nazis instead of innocent bystanders who are begging for mercy, then there wouldn't be too much of a fuss. Why didn't everyone get all crazy when Modern Warfare debuted with US Soldiers shooting Middle Eastern Soldiers?? Granted, the Middle Eastern characters had weapons and were the enemy, but you're still shooting someone and it's the same type of violence. The context of who you are shooting is what is causing the issue here if you ask me.

es, in Grand Theft Auto you’ll be shooting at gang members much of the time, but everyone who has ever played that series knows that you as the player can easily go off the rails at any time and starting killing civilians, attracting the cops and then murdering them too. The same is true for other games in the open world genre from Saints Row to Fallout to Deus Ex to any game that gives you a weapon and places you around civilians. Only rarely do these “freedom of choice” games explicitly prevent you from killing innocent characters.

The difference here is that A) the game goes out of its way to be unusually brutal with its executions and B) the explicit purpose of the game is to kill these innocents, rather than it being a diversion or an action that’s actively punishable. Go on a rampage on Fallout and you might lose a huge collection of quests for killing NPCs who would have given them to you. Do the same in GTA and you’ll be unable to progress in the story due to the swarms of cops sent to kill you. But do it in Hatred? It literally is the entire content of the game.

Iced said, October 17, 2014, 11:54:14 pm

If people dont want to see more games like those they should vote with their wallets and not buy those , not try to make campaigns against it or shit like that. To me, the act of trying to convince others that this shouldnt exist is the first steps that eventually leads to stuff like the book burning with praying americans.

But no one is making campaigns. At most you have a few randos saying this is the outrageous and should be banned (who can easily be ignored), most of the rest is a general sentiment that the game looks like shit and the developers are just going for shock value, the news sites either blandly rephrase the developer's press release for their own articles (JOURNALISM!) or "this game looks like shit and the devs are just going for shock value". There's no real panic here. There's no real hand-wringing by anyone/thing major. It just doesn't make a ton of sense to compare this to one of the worst moments in censorship and hysteria in recent memory, IMO.

Iced said, October 17, 2014, 11:54:14 pm

Also that game looks like shit so far, but it barely rates anything in the shock o meter. Not even close to those hollywood movies about torture porn that people are so into those days.

Having the player partake in the brutality themselves gives it a more visceral level, I suppose.

Its entirely comparable. That kind of pearl clutching was what lead to that eventually,
It isnt so bad now but just wait until the tumblr moral wannabes start trying to make a thing out of it on a larger scale.
The comic book burning is just the logical conclusion of that kind of stuff, what else do you expect to happen when you have people shouting "this shouldnt be made"?  That they all politely agree on what should be made instead?

But none of that is even remotely likely; even if there was some kind of wide-scale campaign, it sure as hell wouldn't be emerging from a small minority on Tumblr: it would be from cable news and idiot pundits. But even that is all old hat, not only is this game is not high-profile enough to reach their attention, the whole "violent video games are gonna corrupt the children" thing is all sort of old hat, whenever it pops up, it doesn't last. It died with Jack Thompson's respectability, and everytime is gets brought up in situations where it actually gains traction (like when the Vice President of the NRA complained that violent video games/movies were the real problem not guns), it always fades away from the conversation; there are far, far more pressing matters in the gaming world than a phantom of a imagined possibility of a problem. Worrying that a tiny subset of people on the internet could bring anything comparable to the backlash against comics in the 50s is pretty much the definition of pearl clutching. It's not even worth thinking about.

there are far, far more pressing matters in the gaming world than a phantom of a imagined possibility of a problem.

you have a whole group of people taught  that Sexism in videogames cause sexism in real life, how far from that is "violence in videogames create violence in real life"  that Jack Thompson did?

Situation is interesting and is related to the comic book censorship. It hasnt scaled to that point obviously nor do I think it will but its still comparable and giving that comparison benefited the thread.

I disagree, what would those be? Discussion of censorship and potential breakdown seems far more pressing on the highlight of this trailer and the discussions it sparked.

“We don’t care. ”

Valve has removed Hatred from Steam Greenlight.

"Based on what we've seen on Greenlight we would not publish Hatred on Steam. As such we'll be taking it down," Valve's Doug Lombardi told Eurogamer moments ago.

That didn't take long.

Hatred developer Destructive Creations has commented on having the game removed from Steam Greenlight, and has also provided some stats from its short-lived campaign.

The game received 13,148 yes votes and reached number seven out of just over 2,000 games on Greenlight. This would have put it on course for approval on Steam.

The developer said Valve was in its rights to remove the title, but questioned why other ultraviolent games were still available on the store.

"Even though games like Manhunt or Postal are still available on Steam we of course fully respect Valve’s decision, as they have the right to do so,” read a statement.

“In the same time we want to assure you that this won’t in any way impact the game's development, game’s vision or gameplay features we’re aiming for. The game is still to be released in Q2 2015 as planned."

-Red- said, December 16, 2014, 07:10:54 pm

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, they removed a game that got in the top 10 in two hours for totally vague reasons. How does that make them neutral at all?

Among the options they had, it was probably seen as the one likely to court the least amount of controversy for them. Valve doesn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole, most likely.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, they removed a game that got in the top 10 in two hours for totally vague reasons. How does that make them neutral at all?

People aren't defending the game because it's good or because it represents them, but because a move like this encourages stuff like that to happen more often whenever a controversial game comes out, it doesn't even need to be a violent game.