Nothing game wise or book wise needs to adhere to a standart minimum of ART or whatever to be allowed to exist.  And yes i do think that starting to argue that something shouldnt exist because of ethics or whatever is a step towards trying to censor or ban things like it happened with the books. 

They took your porn and horror comic books and it completely neutered the american comic book for decades until Vertigo started pushing decent comics for adults again.

ive seen horror exploitation movies, its the same formula, but generally they dont get high profile releases like this do they? just wondering

i cant remember the last "exploitation film" that got a theatrical release, that wasnt r rated and not that bad

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 09:27:36 pm

Gaza Haganer said, October 17, 2014, 08:40:45 pm

FastFlash said, October 17, 2014, 08:24:38 pm

Why is everyone going "social justice warrior" on the game?
It's like GTA with better graphics and more killing
The only scene I found particualry shocking in the trailer is the "execution" style murder anyway...

not a fair comparison, gta has tons of other stuff you can do besides killing. this is taking the "killing innocents" mechanic of gta and making it its own game.

If the game is bult around that, than that's the point of the game, it's a mechanic like any other
No one bats an eye about violent movies, no one bats an eye about books with questionable themes, so why do people still "flip" when a new violent game comes out?

because the whole point of this is violence, theres no other plot, like most of the other stuff

basically because its trying so hard to get negative attention like this, its getting it. not that hard to understand.

If people dont want to see more games like those they should vote with their wallets and not buy those , not try to make campaigns against it or shit like that. To me, the act of trying to convince others that this shouldnt exist is the first steps that eventually leads to stuff like the book burning with praying americans.

Also that game looks like shit so far, but it barely rates anything in the shock o meter. Not even close to those hollywood movies about torture porn that people are so into those days.

If this game featured zombies, cyborgs, a militia or Nazis instead of innocent bystanders who are begging for mercy, then there wouldn't be too much of a fuss. Why didn't everyone get all crazy when Modern Warfare debuted with US Soldiers shooting Middle Eastern Soldiers?? Granted, the Middle Eastern characters had weapons and were the enemy, but you're still shooting someone and it's the same type of violence. The context of who you are shooting is what is causing the issue here if you ask me.

es, in Grand Theft Auto you’ll be shooting at gang members much of the time, but everyone who has ever played that series knows that you as the player can easily go off the rails at any time and starting killing civilians, attracting the cops and then murdering them too. The same is true for other games in the open world genre from Saints Row to Fallout to Deus Ex to any game that gives you a weapon and places you around civilians. Only rarely do these “freedom of choice” games explicitly prevent you from killing innocent characters.

The difference here is that A) the game goes out of its way to be unusually brutal with its executions and B) the explicit purpose of the game is to kill these innocents, rather than it being a diversion or an action that’s actively punishable. Go on a rampage on Fallout and you might lose a huge collection of quests for killing NPCs who would have given them to you. Do the same in GTA and you’ll be unable to progress in the story due to the swarms of cops sent to kill you. But do it in Hatred? It literally is the entire content of the game.

Iced said, October 17, 2014, 11:54:14 pm

If people dont want to see more games like those they should vote with their wallets and not buy those , not try to make campaigns against it or shit like that. To me, the act of trying to convince others that this shouldnt exist is the first steps that eventually leads to stuff like the book burning with praying americans.

But no one is making campaigns. At most you have a few randos saying this is the outrageous and should be banned (who can easily be ignored), most of the rest is a general sentiment that the game looks like shit and the developers are just going for shock value, the news sites either blandly rephrase the developer's press release for their own articles (JOURNALISM!) or "this game looks like shit and the devs are just going for shock value". There's no real panic here. There's no real hand-wringing by anyone/thing major. It just doesn't make a ton of sense to compare this to one of the worst moments in censorship and hysteria in recent memory, IMO.

Iced said, October 17, 2014, 11:54:14 pm

Also that game looks like shit so far, but it barely rates anything in the shock o meter. Not even close to those hollywood movies about torture porn that people are so into those days.

Having the player partake in the brutality themselves gives it a more visceral level, I suppose.