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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#61  October 18, 2014, 09:19:54 pm
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Its entirely comparable. That kind of pearl clutching was what lead to that eventually,
It isnt so bad now but just wait until the tumblr moral wannabes start trying to make a thing out of it on a larger scale.
The comic book burning is just the logical conclusion of that kind of stuff, what else do you expect to happen when you have people shouting "this shouldnt be made"?  That they all politely agree on what should be made instead?
But none of that is even remotely likely; even if there was some kind of wide-scale campaign, it sure as hell wouldn't be emerging from a small minority on Tumblr: it would be from cable news and idiot pundits. But even that is all old hat, not only is this game is not high-profile enough to reach their attention, the whole "violent video games are gonna corrupt the children" thing is all sort of old hat, whenever it pops up, it doesn't last. It died with Jack Thompson's respectability, and everytime is gets brought up in situations where it actually gains traction (like when the Vice President of the NRA complained that violent video games/movies were the real problem not guns), it always fades away from the conversation; there are far, far more pressing matters in the gaming world than a phantom of a imagined possibility of a problem. Worrying that a tiny subset of people on the internet could bring anything comparable to the backlash against comics in the 50s is pretty much the definition of pearl clutching. It's not even worth thinking about.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#62  October 18, 2014, 09:22:21 pm
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#63  October 18, 2014, 09:39:22 pm
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But none of that is even remotely likely; even if there was some kind of wide-scale campaign, it sure as hell wouldn't be emerging from a small minority on Tumblr: it would be from cable news and idiot pundits. But even that is all old hat, not only is this game is not high-profile enough to reach their attention, the whole "violent video games are gonna corrupt the children" thing is all sort of old hat, whenever it pops up, it doesn't last. It died with Jack Thompson's respectability, and everytime is gets brought up in situations where it actually gains traction (like when the Vice President of the NRA complained that violent video games/movies were the real problem not guns), it always fades away from the conversation; there are far, far more pressing matters in the gaming world than a phantom of a imagined possibility of a problem. Worrying that a tiny subset of people on the internet could bring anything comparable to the backlash against comics in the 50s is pretty much the definition of pearl clutching. It's not even worth thinking about.

you have a whole group of people taught  that Sexism in videogames cause sexism in real life, how far from that is "violence in videogames create violence in real life"  that Jack Thompson did?
You have people in this same thread going on about how they are worried about what kids would do with the violent games.  These same people were raised on violent games and should know better.

Situation is interesting and is related to the comic book censorship. It hasnt scaled to that point obviously nor do I think it will but its still comparable and giving that comparison benefited the thread.
The same kind of situation i think could no longer happen to movies who by now I think people feel are not debatable in the same way comics or videogames are. They are considered a superior form of art to those.


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there are far, far more pressing matters in the gaming world than a phantom of a imagined possibility of a problem.
I disagree, what would those be? Discussion of censorship and potential breakdown seems far more pressing on the highlight of this trailer and the discussions it sparked.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#64  October 18, 2014, 09:49:44 pm
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Yeah, basically speaking the truth about the supreme dissonance that is honestly, only found in America(Not just Japan, but even places like Britain have zero issues with Sex and even have some nude ads once in awhile, but they rank violence pretty high up there...and lets not even get into Germany).

Otherwise, what is the point of this? Not the game, but the smear campaign AGAINST the game? It's a violent shooter that relies on the fact it's controversial to get appeal...and people are GRANTING IT THAT APPEAL.
Hell, I can easily see this being a steam blower at absolute best and a time waster at worst and that's pretty much it, and considering that this is purely an exploitation game just like Postal, why is people even fettering past SJW Journalists basically crying about how this isn't "art" or "it's too edgy"?

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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#65  October 18, 2014, 09:59:05 pm
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you have a whole group of people taught  that Sexism in videogames cause sexism in real life, how far from that is "violence in videogames create violence in real life"  that Jack Thompson did?
Most people, even the tumblr people everyone gets all bent out of shape about, actually argue about that. There's been enough studies to prove that violent videogames don't actually promote increased physical violence in the people who play them; however, there have also been a number of studies that the media we consume affects our views and the way we think about stuff. Media can be a very powerful tool for the latter, for good: a quick example would be shows like Ellen and Will And Grace leading to a growing tolerance of gay people (but not like, watching it instantly changed people's minds, it just opened them up to the possibility). I mean obviously it's not like those two shows were magic pills that changed everyone's minds instantly, but they led to some subtle shifts, that combined with a multitude of other factors (growing comfortableness with being openly gay, among other stuff) eventually led to very real change. What they're arguing is that, basically, and it's a lot more subtle and a lot less dangerous than what Thompson was going off about.

Situation is interesting and is related to the comic book censorship. It hasnt scaled to that point obviously nor do I think it will but its still comparable and giving that comparison benefited the thread.
It's just that the comics thing is SO big and SO outrageous and dangerous that it feels like bringing a nuke to a gun fight. That was a dark period in history, where everything that could've gone wrong practically did, and I don't think it should be used as an example lightly.

I disagree, what would those be? Discussion of censorship and potential breakdown seems far more pressing on the highlight of this trailer and the discussions it sparked.
The parasitic nature of the mainstream gaming press and the widespread harassment of females in games. Those are actual issues to be worried about.
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#66  October 18, 2014, 10:38:34 pm
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The game is too focused on its gimmick, it doesn't even try to tell you about other things in the game, it just wants to shock you.
like for example: can you drive vehicles? how many weapons in the game? is there a hand to hand combat in the game?online? etc...
yeah, its very stupid and its not worth the attention its getting.
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#67  October 18, 2014, 11:01:34 pm
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yall should just go ahead and admit you really wanna play this game

and lol, the current debate over women and videogames is far more of an actual issue tha the fact some people scared that people dont want them to play murder simulators.
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#68  October 18, 2014, 11:42:15 pm
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The parasitic nature of the mainstream gaming press and the widespread harassment of females in games. Those are actual issues to be worried about.

thats almost a complete non issue that is feeding itself into regularly showing up, yes the parasitic nature of the gaming jounalism is a shit but all the recent cases of harassment are completely derived from those issues and the narrative push that comes with them.
The more harassment there is the more that parasitic press gets attention
All that press should be talking about games instead of trying to be moral police and create narratives around their heroes and villains.. Their involvement makes it impossible to properly discuss anything related to that. What else can a normal gamer say other than "well i dont harass people thats a stupid thing to do."


I hardly think that those situations existing makes it that no one should discuss the censorship cases and you are just dismissing the comic book scenario because it hits close to home. Most people here wouldnt even have heard of it as they go crying about kids becoming tainted by the same murder simulators they enjoyed as kids.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#69  October 19, 2014, 12:06:17 am
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People being driven out of their homes because of threats is the exact opposite of a non-issue, holy shit.

And that existing doesn't mean censorship can't be discussed, it's just not as big of a deal right now. It doesn't make sense to compare it to the comic banning craze.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#70  October 19, 2014, 12:22:23 am
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You dont really have a lot to discuss about the threats and harassment, everyone thinks they are bad, normal people dont do that kind of shit, and thats not something anyone is going to argue in favour of. 

Its like, what is even there to debate or discuss about it? Is titiln going to go like "but wait this one girl was being a real bitch so I sent her photos of herself as a corpse to scare her into losing at smash bros with me, so harassment has its uses!" ?

I think anita is a big bloated hot air balloon, I also think that about the twilight author lady, but I wouldnt defend hurting any of them for being a bad writer and a bad critic
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#71  October 19, 2014, 12:27:11 am
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There's still just more to discuss there, there really isn't much to talk about here. There's a few dumb dumbs complaining this is the worst thing ever, but their voices are miniscule, and not worth worrying about. If it gets picked up by non-gaming press (and I wouldn't totally rule that out but since it's not a major release I would doubt it) then it would be more worrisome but as things stand now, it's a trifle. There's always gonna be someone complaining about something on the internet, and there's no need to expend effort to dismissing them.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#72  October 19, 2014, 06:13:56 am
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#73  October 20, 2014, 08:20:37 am
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I see a bunch of dislikes in the reveal trailer and them a bunch of stupid comments and videos in youtube about the game.
When i see the trailer, i really get shocked. But now i'm really interested to play that (just for curiosity)

All this controversy about Hatred reminds me Carmaggedon and some other games that could take the same impact.
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#74  October 23, 2014, 10:59:55 pm
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http://www.gamona.de/games/hatred,interview-pc:article,2549037.html


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gamona: A lot of gamers are worried, that Hatred might be exactly the kind of game, that gives the mainstream press the fuel to brand all gamers as violence loving, rough and aggressive people. Do you understand those concerns?

Jarosław Zieliński: No, they're simply exaggerating. Let's face it - most games are about killing, we're just telling it straight. There is also no simple, plain evidence that games are pushing people to go on a killing spree. Such controversy as ours happened before and will happen again. And we gamers and developers are still standing here, aren't we?


gamona: What would you say to someone who lost a loved one in a mass shooting and feels hurt by your game, who can't understand how anyone can develop a game where the player is supposed to shoot as many innocent people as possible?

Jarosław Zieliński: Innocent virtual people. That's the main point. Nobody get's harmed by our game. Anyway - war is a terrible experience for all soldiers out there, what would you say to them while playing Battlefield? But the difference is that soldiers are tough guys, not some moaning p**sies, so they don't complain about their experiences being reference for virtual entertainment. Back to the beginning of your question: I'm really sorry for anyone who has lost beloved ones, but it doesn't have anything to do with our game.

Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#75  November 04, 2014, 12:11:25 am
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#76  November 04, 2014, 06:11:07 am
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#77  November 04, 2014, 07:29:01 am
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Took me forever to watch the trailer after hearing about it.

I've done worse in games, but this wasn't a good look.  :-\
Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#78  November 04, 2014, 09:15:18 am
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I'm convinced this guy needs to lose his job...

Seriously, these level of tactics only make you look not only like a complete asshole, but a condescending piece of shit too. Hatred is a video game that has you kill people with the ONLY difference from GTA and other sandbox games is that you have to do so. There is no point to that considering no one is even being hurt.
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Re: New postal like game announced- Hatred
#80  November 05, 2014, 02:52:24 pm
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