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Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#1 April 03, 2012, 07:34:24 pm

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IGN's latest opus "Your Local Game Store is going bust" shook up a few thoughts of mine into the whole DRM thing.

http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1222036p1.html

Microsoft has stated that the next X-Box will have to be plugged into your online connection at all times to ensure proper playability. If you peer deeper into what M$ is saying, they are making it harder for pirates, and hackers, to copy material and play with no problem. SFxT comes to mind immediately.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1222119p1.html

What does that mean for the average consuer who isn't tech savvy?? Blocking used games. Once you purchase a title, it's locked into your console and that's it. So what does this mean for GameStop?? Will they be put out of busines?? Will gaming sales be affected overall?? Will Capcom's bottom line be affected so they don't pull this "locked content" BS again?? Will a giant riot ensue and bring about a Hunger Games/Running Man fiasco within the gaming industry??

I for one loved the way gaming was back in the Playstation/Dreamcast era. Once a title was released, that was it. No add on's, no yearly sequels (Well, some). Tekken 2 lasted me at least three years. I played Super Metriod to death, well into the Playstation launch and beyond. Companies now have the control and ability to release unfinished and locked software to unsuspecting fans who genuinely love the material. And there's nothing we can do about it, except to buy into it or wait for a patch. The problem I see here is that M$ is taking away the choice of buying something discounted, or from a friend. Whatever happened to the shareware model?? That's right, it's now a demo. I think that locking content into a console removes plenty of choices from us, the consumer. I'm not too keen on it either.

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Caddie

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#2 April 03, 2012, 07:43:11 pm

Most dangerous person in Mugen

This and what the next Playstation are going to do are horrible attacks on the consumers and I really hope that there is a huge backlash on both companies for this. People are already sick of on disc DLC and "online passes" and scummy business models, so whats gonna happen if people are angry at both the game developers and the system developers?

Hopefully something will happen and force everyone involved to stop trying to screw over the people who buy their products for their own financial benefit. I'm not happy thinking that if I move into a new house that doesn't have an internet yet, or can't afford internet at the time, or it's temporarily down, consoles I purchased are dead. I don't think there is a single person who would be happy with that idea.

Bastard Mami

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#3 April 03, 2012, 07:53:19 pm

IIRC, Gamestop already said that they are not going to sell/support any consoles that lock discs, walmart already did that to the pspgo so tehre is precedent of retailers telling companies to fuck off.

Duos

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#4 April 03, 2012, 07:58:53 pm

@[E]: That is very good news. This DLC/anti piracy shit is really getting out of hand, and I hope that consumers will stand up for themselves instead of forking over money to play the newest games only to be trod upon.

Glisp

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#5 April 03, 2012, 08:02:29 pm

MC2 said, April 03, 2012, 07:58:53 pm

@[E]: That is very good news. This DLC/anti piracy shit is really getting out of hand, and I hope that consumers will stand up for themselves instead of forking over money to play the newest games only to be trod upon.

Though, as proven by the fans who gave Capcom the idea whoring DLC and the online stores was a good thing, some retards are going to do it. Just watch. Oh and off topic, but I posted those sounds for Crispy. Did you get them MC2?

Alpaca-San

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#6 April 03, 2012, 08:05:59 pm

I bite the faces of people who don't wanna be cool

I thought I could hide from the war on consumer's rights through console gaming but the DRM bullshit is apparently gonna be there too. You know, I think I could spend this next generation finishing some NES and SNES games I never got to finish.

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#7 April 03, 2012, 08:12:19 pm

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Alpa-San said, April 03, 2012, 08:05:59 pm

You know, I think I could spend this next generation finishing some NES and SNES games I never got to finish.

I'm with you 100%. I'm actually going to have a MAME fighting game get together soon. I think I shall call it something along the lines of rocking it hard like its the SNES era.

Seriously though, DRM and consumer control are getting out of hand. There's only so much you can do to prevent losses. How about heightening quality control's standards to ensure gamers will actually buy without question?? Locking out a shitty game to a console only locks the game, NOT the shitty content.

Blame the stock holders. Greedy fucks!!

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#8 April 03, 2012, 08:18:52 pm

Humanity can be so much more

Haven't PC games been locking themselves to systems, with product codes since forever? Well I like to buy my games new anyway, so that and online passes don't bother me at all. What I find disturbing is the idea of needing a constant connection to play games properly. My connection is awesome, but assuming this is true, MS would be making a huge mistake because not everyone with an XBox will have internet access. Some with internet access have crappy connections too, so that could really work against them.

SlenderMan

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#9 April 03, 2012, 08:28:46 pm

I'm behind you!!!

all I know is noone will buy the new systems...buying used games saves us money..and the gaming companies don't like it since they make no profit from it. but there won't be a difference if noone buys their new console. I can understand that there are people pirating shit but it hurts the ones who actually buy the game(used or new).

all I know is fuck the new system...Im gonna stay with PS3, xbox360

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#10 April 03, 2012, 08:32:57 pm

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Well looks like i won't have a Xbox or Playstation to go along with my Wii U if this is true.

blackstar

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#11 April 03, 2012, 08:35:59 pm

meh my money's on Nintendo for the new generation, they know how to treat there customers right, by releasing some of the greatest games of all time with no bs dlc. So the wii U is a sure buy for me

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#12 April 03, 2012, 09:03:00 pm

2015 - OCR.com and GA-HQ.com

^^ just wait.

DLC crap is just arriving at the 3ds and in 1-2 years it will be the same shit on nintendo games as everywhere else.

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#13 April 03, 2012, 09:05:53 pm

does this look like the face of mercy?

it all sounds iffy, both companies have developers leaking about the same system in use on both future, never talked about, consoles?

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#14 April 03, 2012, 10:25:05 pm

Make sense? What fun is there in making sense?
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What needs to be done is for the companies to stop trying to punish everyone to try and stamp out pirates, and instead reward people for legitimately paying for their products. Ubisoft's new strategy seems like a step in the right direction. They're ramping up after-launch support for their titles and overhauling their customer service in an attempt to make piracy the least appealing option. What MS is doing here is just wrong. Preemptively treating their entire customer base like pirates in potentia is going to do nothing but cause problems for everyone.

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SlenderMan

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#15 April 03, 2012, 10:27:45 pm

I'm behind you!!!

they'll realize it too late when noone buys the new systems

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#16 April 03, 2012, 10:41:47 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the supposed "Used game locking" and constant internet connection were merely rumors.

I have my doubts that MS and Sony will seriously go through this unless they want for Nintendo to monopolize the Next gen systems.

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SlenderMan

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#17 April 03, 2012, 10:51:39 pm

I'm behind you!!!

well if it is just a rumor then it's a rumor and we can asll jump for joy

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TRUEMicah

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#18 April 04, 2012, 12:48:30 am

Smile, you're still alive. :)

Saikoro said, April 03, 2012, 07:34:24 pm

Will a giant riot ensue and bring about a Hunger Games/Running Man fiasco within the gaming industry??

Lol, I doubt it.
However, I do agree with Caddie when he stated that this is an attempt to restrain and attack consumers indefinitely.

OZ

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#19 April 04, 2012, 01:38:13 am

ಠ_ಠ

blackstar said, April 03, 2012, 08:35:59 pm

meh my money's on Nintendo for the new generation, they know how to treat there customers right, by releasing some of the greatest games of all time with no bs dlc. So the wii U is a sure buy for me

bwahahahahahaohwaityou'reserious

nintendo better get off it's ass in the gaming department for this next generation then, because i found the wii's game library to be absolutely DISMAL

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#20 April 04, 2012, 01:55:26 am

.....meh

I Thought Microsoft confirmed they didn't have any plans for a new Xbox
If they are seriously going with this then fuck them.

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Rozay

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#21 April 04, 2012, 02:16:32 am

Put molly all in her champagne, she don een kno it

Please be aware that these are all rumors and there is not substantial proof behind any of the "Durango" or "Orbis" claims.

But yeah, not buying any next-gen console if this turns out to be true.

Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#22 April 04, 2012, 02:33:36 am

ಠ_ಠ said, April 04, 2012, 01:38:13 am

nintendo better get off it's ass in the gaming department for this next generation then, because i found the wii's game library to be absolutely DISMAL

that's what I thought about XBox 360.

anyways, the music industry gave up on drm, the ebook industry is in the process of learning the same lesson, and the gaming industry will do the same. that, or the hacking scene will live up to new challenges

TempesT

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#23 April 04, 2012, 02:35:03 am

If you thought that about the 360, then... you must have also thought that about the PS3? Unless you meant you thought that BEFORE the 360 was released and are referring to the original Xbox's games?

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#24 April 04, 2012, 02:39:26 am

ಠ_ಠ

Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 02:33:36 am

ಠ_ಠ said, April 04, 2012, 01:38:13 am
nintendo better get off it's ass in the gaming department for this next generation then, because i found the wii's game library to be absolutely DISMAL

that's what I thought about XBox 360.

that's why 3rd party developers are a nice thing to allow on your system

excuse me while i enjoy whatever games are out right now

ಠ_ಠ

TempesT

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#25 April 04, 2012, 02:44:33 am

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-release-date-news-and-rumours-937167

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Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#26 April 04, 2012, 02:48:48 am

TempesT said, April 04, 2012, 02:35:03 am

If you thought that about the 360, then... you must have also thought that about the PS3? Unless you meant you thought that BEFORE the 360 was released and are referring to the original Xbox's games?

I have both a PS3 and a Wii. Both have great games and a number of pretty neat exclusives.

I have access to a 360 now, and I have yet to find (or be shown) a single exclusive game on it that I would be excited about.

To be fair, I don't care about online gameplay aspect at all, but from what I saw that's where the 360 shines.

I'm just going to throw MGS4, Tekken 6, the Uncharted series, and Gran Tourismo 5 out there. The two xbox exclusives I took the time to try were Dead Rising 2 and Fable II, and they both didn't meet my expectations at all.

Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 02:52:11 am by Valodim

SlenderMan

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#27 April 04, 2012, 02:56:33 am

I'm behind you!!!

I don't own either system..but I do buy used games. I think it'll be the companies downfall if they start making people buy games brand new..now my question is let's say I get this so called system(s) and I get a game..it get's broken and I have to buy a new one..do I have to start all over cuz games have to be registered? I'd hate myself for buying a system like that

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#28 April 04, 2012, 02:57:02 am

ಠ_ಠ

this wasn't exactly a generation of exclusives

neither 360 or PS3 have many exclusives that i care about; both have practically the same library
i have a 360 because it came out first and didn't cost a bajesusillion when it came out
certainly not because of exclusive content

nintendo on the other hand seemed to aim for almost strictly exclusive content and i feel they've suffered because of it
i'm not saying all wii games are bad, but if you want to play something that isn't NINTENDO your wii can't help you

in my mind (despite the ongoing fuss and feud and with of course some technical differences) 360=PS3 when it comes to your gaming experience

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Girard

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#29 April 04, 2012, 03:02:07 am

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Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 02:48:48 am

I'm just going to throw MGS4, Tekken 6, the Uncharted series, and Gran Tourismo 5 out there. The two xbox exclusives I took the time to try were Dead Rising 2 and Fable II, and they both didn't meet my expectations at all.

Tekken 6 isn't a PS3 exclusive.

D'Evil

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#30 April 04, 2012, 03:04:22 am

"Draw Pilgrim" or something.

Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 02:48:48 am

I'm just going to throw MGS4, Tekken 6, the Uncharted series, and Gran Tourismo 5 out there. The two xbox exclusives I took the time to try were Dead Rising 2 and Fable II, and they both didn't meet my expectations at all.

Dead Rising 2 isn't exclusive either.

Person Man

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#31 April 04, 2012, 03:22:26 am

Make sense? What fun is there in making sense?
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ಠ_ಠ said, April 04, 2012, 02:57:02 am

nintendo on the other hand seemed to aim for almost strictly exclusive content and i feel they've suffered because of it
i'm not saying all wii games are bad, but if you want to play something that isn't NINTENDO your wii can't help you

You're not wrong about the Wii having a limited library of worthwhile titles, but I don't know if that's really Nintendo's fault. The general nature of the Wii and how prevalent it became with newer casual gamers made it really easy to churn out shovelware and turn a sizable profit. I'd say lazy developers carry a pretty hefty chunk of the blame for how the Wii ended up.

Valodim

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#32 April 04, 2012, 04:45:51 am

I'm kinda going by "how much gaming content would I lose if this console vanished tomorrow", and thinking like that there's quite a lot for the Wii, not much for the ps3, and nothing at all for the 360 for me. The Wii is a gaming console in a class of its own, ps3 and 360 at this point are basically pcs specialized for living room convenience.

There are heaps of crap on Wii though, can't argue with that. But that doesn't mean there isn't a decent number of good games on it, even if very few of these are third party games.

Iced

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#33 April 04, 2012, 04:49:36 am

does this look like the face of mercy?

I too think that ps3 and xbox are very alike, but my personal preference is ps3. I prefer the online system thing going on.

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#34 April 04, 2012, 05:05:52 am

ಠ_ಠ

Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 04:45:51 am

The Wii is a gaming console in a class of its own

yes, but i don't consider that class to be up to snuff with the gaming standard

i view it as an auxiliary system, not one i'd choose as my main

ಠ_ಠ

Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#35 April 04, 2012, 05:14:19 am

agreed.

Speedy9199

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#36 April 04, 2012, 05:48:14 am

Make her whiter! Make her whiter!

If microsoft or Sony or whatever does do this "no used games" things they had better make their game exclusives of A++ quality if they are going to get gamers to buy their stuff since so many people hate the idea of no used games and won't buy a system because of that. That is the only reason I would buy a system like that only if they had A++ quality games.

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#37 April 04, 2012, 05:56:08 am

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It's okay Microsoft is already working on a AAAA title. That's one A more than usual.

Cazaki

Re: Fuck the Wii

#38 April 04, 2012, 06:29:26 am

360 is just as good as the PS3, 360 has MUCH better online support while the PS3 has many more good games. DRM on either one would suck, but i would be lying if i said i wouldn't buy it because of that. The Wii on the other hand is a flaming pile of shit right now. Don't you dare say it's better than the PS3 or the 360. Limited, almost no online support, it's own gimmick, motion controls, are still extremely shitty after 6 years, terrible control scheme, it has no power in graphics or anything, most games cant even support 10 character models on a screen at one time, shitty games, as a matter of fact only 3 worthwhile games come out for it yearly for the last 4 years. I cant even name 30 good games for it that would warrant a buy. Who cares if 360 is pretty much all 3rd party games, even XBLA games are better than most Wii games.

Rozay

Re: Fuck the Wii

#39 April 04, 2012, 06:52:13 am

Put molly all in her champagne, she don een kno it

Cazaki said, April 04, 2012, 06:29:26 am

360 is just as good as the PS3

Don't say that. You'll have a bunch of niggas come in here and turn it into a debate about how the 360 is less powerful and how Live is the biggest scam on earth.

Although there is nothing that will ever urge me to buy a shitty Nintendo console, which at this point has become less about the games and more about what new gimmicks they can come up with.

Saikoro

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#40 April 04, 2012, 11:19:44 am

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I think Nintendo itself has been a recent pile of shit.

It seems that since the days of sticking to a cartridge format instead of moving to a Disc based medium (N64 anyone??), Nintendo has reduced itself to a selfish mess.

The SNES, to this day, still kicks ass. Fuck, even the 8-Bit NES still rocks hard. Nintendo had very good 3rd party support back in the 8 and 16 bit days. Perhaps it was bad business practices or whatnot, but yeah, Nintendo sucks in my eyes. Don't get me wrong though, their first party franchises are still amazing, even if its the same game, just revised. I love Mario and Zelda, but I want more than just Mario and fucking Zelda. Nintendo has been overly reliant on their small golden stable. If you think about it, we have been playing the same core titles since the 16 bit days (Mario Kart, I'm looking at you) with the same characters and gameplay elements. Nintendo needs to desperately change their plan, and they need to do it quick, or the Wii U is going to repeat Nintendo's recent track record.

I'm sticking to the SNES and my F-Zero GX machine for Nintendo goodness.

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#41 April 04, 2012, 04:02:57 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 02:48:48 am

I have access to a 360 now, and I have yet to find (or be shown) a single exclusive game on it that I would be excited about.

Many people I know consider the very existence of Mass Effect reason enough to buy a 360.
Gears of War and Halo themselves are reason enough for the console to have taken off the ground in the first place.
There are SO many exclusives in XBLA for arcade games, and Kinect is vastly superior to the PS Move.
While the PS3 has free online, Xbox Live Gold is superb. Dunno about PSN+

While I consider Halo to be utter shit, I bought the console because of Gears of War, and Kinect has been a welcome addition to play party games with family and friends.

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#42 April 04, 2012, 05:04:49 pm

ಠ_ಠ said, April 04, 2012, 02:57:02 am

i'm not saying all wii games are bad, but if you want to play something that isn't NINTENDO your wii can't help you

No more Heroes 1&2
Madworld
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Red Steel 2
Xenoblade Chronocles (the best JRPG released this decade)
The last Story
Tatsunoko Vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Little King's Story
Sin & Punishment 2
Rayman: Origins

So that's 12 wii games not made by Nintendo that are on par or better than PS3 Aand XBOX 360 games, honestly look at the reviews for these games. So i'd say you're wrong there

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Girard

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#43 April 04, 2012, 05:16:18 pm

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Okami shouldn't be counted replace it with MH3 but still 11 games doesn't compare to the number of 3rd party games on PS3 and Xbox but Wii U looks more opened to 3rd party games then Wii so there shouldn't be a panic that Wii U will only be good for Nintendo Games and a few 3rd party titles.

Saikoro said, April 04, 2012, 11:19:44 am

but I want more than just Mario and fucking Zelda. Nintendo has been overly reliant on their small golden stable.

Well if Kid Icarus: Uprising is any indicator they plan on bringing back some of the older titles Donkey Kong Country: Returns was a nice start and Pikmin 3 is already announced for Wii U i expect we'll see a Star Fox or F-Zero soon also.

Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 05:27:18 pm by Girard

Bastard Walt

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#44 April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

None of those can compare to genre-equivalent games in current game consoles, and you can't play in HD TVs without those looking like shit (yeah, I saw NMH in a 32" LCD, it looked like shit) + You can't play contemporary blockbusters like Street Fighter 4 (played in EVO, for actual money) nor play co-op in RE5, nor play RE6.

Yeah, Wii rocks :woohoo:

Everything that is relevant is outside that console. Low Def, PS2 looking games, and jerking off to Mario is a niche thing.
I'll only give you No More Heroes and Madworld, and those won't make me buy a console.

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blackstar

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#45 April 04, 2012, 05:39:27 pm

I personally don't care much for graphics, I'm more of a gameplay and storyline kind of guy. On that note look at the graphics for Red Steel 2, Muramasa the demon blade and Sin & Punishment 2 and show me a ps2 game that can do the same. Although I can appreciate graphics of course but at the end of the day I would use FF XIII and 2 (which both have beautiful graphics) as a paper weight and actually play Xenoblade Chronocles (the less said about this games graphics the better) any day

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#46 April 04, 2012, 05:48:55 pm

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

None of those can compare to genre-equivalent games in current game consoles

Ok now you're just wrong here. For example, give me one JRPG on PS3 or 360 that can live up to Xenoblade. And please don't say FF XIII.

btw add Rayman: Origins to that list above, that game was a blast.

ALSO it is not like the first party games didn't count! and there are quite a lot of really awesome ones in that category.

Bastard Walt

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#47 April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

I know for a fact that RPG lovers enjoy the Nintendo consoles very much.

Anyway, you piqued my curiosity. I looked up Red Steel 2, and it looks like they used cel shading on the models on low polygon count models. Sure, it looks good ... because the art direction is good, but that's not exactly being innovative, as it is creative. Celshading exists since PS1, and not many developers used it because of the industry moving forward to more realistic graphics.

There were a few PS2 games that also pushed the console's limits, BLACK was a shooter that was close to being a newer generation game graphic wise. What the cube or the Wii do is not impressive at all, in an era where impressive is the Arms Race.

@Valodim First party games Nintendo games are only relevant to long time Nintendo fans, and kids. So yes, they don't count.

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#48 April 04, 2012, 06:02:33 pm

Portrait Prodigy EX+

Valid points from everyone. The Wii does indeed have some decent software, but those decent games are far and in between. You have like 1 good game for every 8 shit titles. Mad World and Epic Mickey are fantastic. But that's two games, used comparatively, out of how many?? The 360 has its share of crap, but its not a SEA of crap like the Wii has.

I'm also with you guys on the graphics don't matter argument, but seriously, PS2 style graphics do not do well in an HD era. Spruce the graphics up a bit. That's all I'm asking.

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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.

GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am

There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

Just No Point

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#49 April 04, 2012, 06:23:19 pm

It's really all about what you like.

The wii has more games I personally would buy. The PS3 and 360 have the same games for my taste. The main difference is that I don't want to pay for online, I prefer the PS controller, and I wanted a blue ray player. Even though I only have 1 blue ray XD (Came with SF4)

If I ever get a 360 it'll just be for kinect. As I played it at my friends and it's super fun!

I don't have a large variety that I like playing however. I like fighting games. That is all I have on PS3 besides Tomb Raider.

And I like side scrollers and Zelda
So for the Wii I like the Mario games, Zelda, Kirby, DKC, and Rayman Origins. Mario Kart is also the only racing game I ever liked.

Though I'd say I'm probably a minority XD FPS , God of War, MGS, etc fans really should stick to other consoles. PS3 and 360 have more titles deemed popular.
Basically wii is a better console for casuals too I guess

Valodim

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#50 April 04, 2012, 06:30:10 pm

Saikoro said, April 04, 2012, 06:02:33 pm

Valid points from everyone. The Wii does indeed have some decent software, but those decent games are far and in between. You have like 1 good game for every 8 shit titles. Mad World and Epic Mickey are fantastic. But that's two games, used comparatively, out of how many?? The 360 has its share of crap, but its not a SEA of crap like the Wii has.

That quantity comes from the amount of titles because publishers were shoveling out crap. There still are easily 40+ good games on Wii (yes, counting first party)

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I'm also with you guys on the graphics don't matter argument, but seriously, PS2 style graphics do not do well in an HD era. Spruce the graphics up a bit. That's all I'm asking.

In that department, you get what you pay for. Simple as that. You want better graphics hardware, you gotta spend twice the money on it.

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 pm

@Valodim First party games Nintendo games are only relevant to long time Nintendo fans, and kids. So yes, they don't count.

That's a gross overgeneralization, and at least missing the casual gamers. You can't just dismiss Nintendo classics right after stating Kinect is a great addition for parties.

We are probably going in circles here, most of us have informed decisions about all three consoles and made up their opinions over the years. We are not really disagreeing on anything either, just putting different weights on different points.

OZ

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#51 April 04, 2012, 07:21:01 pm

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blackstar said, April 04, 2012, 05:04:49 pm

So that's 12 wii games not made by Nintendo that are on par or better than PS3 Aand XBOX 360 games, honestly look at the reviews for these games. So i'd say you're wrong there

you actually just kind of proved my point

ಠ_ಠ

blackstar

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#52 April 04, 2012, 10:43:14 pm

Although the way you worded it sounded as though you were saying the wii has no third party titles worth mentioning, i'd say 12+ is a decent number

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OZ

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#53 April 05, 2012, 01:43:49 am

ಠ_ಠ

it's not, but okay

ಠ_ಠ

Lobo

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#54 April 06, 2012, 05:36:17 am

Bounty Hunting.....FOR PROFIT!

I guess back to the point:

If they will do this it wont stop piracy. If anything it's going to help make it better. I honestly think the gaming community shouldn't alienate its userbase anymore than it already has. DLC is good but paid unlockables is kind of lame even if you are a fan of the series. To be honest I wish that the community went back to its hayday back in the days of when you were mailed a demo disc of a game and it was more about the game itself rather than the label on it. Not saying that people like us are easily bought by a brand or icon, but to discourage growth within the industry through false reputation is discouraging.

Valodim

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#55 April 06, 2012, 07:50:39 pm

Lobo said, April 06, 2012, 05:36:17 am

If they will do this it wont stop piracy. If anything it's going to help make it better.

there is kind of a critical mass of pissing off people with restrictions. once you get the wrong high caliber people involved they will find a way to break your system, if only as proof of concept, and once that happened you will be dealing with the damage for the rest of your platform's lifecycle. That's what happened to hdcp, for example.

Lobo

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#56 April 07, 2012, 04:32:56 am

Bounty Hunting.....FOR PROFIT!

I see.

But still it means alot when a company does this kind of thing. I know that once something has been done like this there is no real solution but they should make it harder for them instead of just making it harder for the consumers. I seriously hope this is merely rumor and that gaming isnt headed down that dark, narrow road.

Lasombra Demon

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#57 April 07, 2012, 05:37:44 am

WIP: SF4 CE

The Wii won the war for its era, like it or not. $ numbers do not lie. The way I see it now, it's all wether the fugly expensive giant WiiU controller beats the Kinect. Sony is out of touch in this area, the 'Move' controller was an unsuccessful bleh. Maybe with the Vita + Next Gen Console combo they'll manage to do exactly the same: mimic Nintendo's latest successfull gimmick in a mediocre way and get crappy results.

MS seems to be playing its cards better than the rest; they appeal to casual AND hardcore gamers. In the mean time, they've released a Kinect for Windows, with the mild chance of causing a revolution in the world of generic applications and interphasing with electronics - not just games. The promise of a better Kinect still sparks a little hope for better games for it, too, considering most of them are subpar.

I find the whole PS3/X360 game catalogue quite similar (if anything, I'd get a PS3 because I can get the Xbox stuff that's released for Windows). Anyways, where I'm from, the only reasonable way to get a game legally is via Steam or a similar extra-cheap digital download- any other option and the exchange rate makes the stuff too expensive (as in, 'buy groceries for two weeks with the money this game is worth' expensive). Add extra-stupid DRM and physical-only media, and this stuff ain't gonna work in 3rd world countries; people will just NOT buy it.

Duos

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#58 April 07, 2012, 06:37:56 am

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

jerking off to Mario is a niche thing.

Only on a Mugen forum would you find someone saying that the most well known, popular and influential video game series of all time is a "niche thing."

Saikoro

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#59 April 07, 2012, 05:51:33 pm

Portrait Prodigy EX+

V makes a good point. If there's encryption, there's decryption. Capcom encrypted all of their CPS system games, and now we can enjoy them via emulation. Sony went nuts trying to constantly patch up the PSP, and we all know what happened there. Aren't there hacked 360 communities??

I also remember a story from back in the late 90's. Someone broke through a copy protected CD system by coloring the edge of a disc with a sharpie marker.

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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.

GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am

There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

Valodim

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#60 April 07, 2012, 08:01:52 pm

Lasombra Demon said, April 07, 2012, 05:37:44 am

fugly expensive giant WiiU controller

Who gives a crap about the controller, if it's a Wii-like system with state of the art 2010 graphics hardware - that works for me. Also I don't think the controller is that expensive - it's basically a wiimote with a touchscreen, and since the rise of tablets these aren't that expensive anymore.

Also, tablets are kind of the new thing. And I'd love to see what the hacking community can do with a remote display controller

Lasombra Demon

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#61 April 07, 2012, 10:15:17 pm

WIP: SF4 CE

Yeah, I just guess I'm not that much into tablets. And I think a more precise and less room space requiring Kinect is much, much cooler, the real next step.

Irony: over here, the PS1/2 became popular because they were quite pirate-friendly, and the N64 and GC didn't fly for the same reasons. PS3 and X360 are rather easy-to-pirate, but the Wii... dammit. You don't even have to buy the console. Just get a Wiimote and 2 candles and you can play HD games in your PC with VERY little effort. Not saying any of this is actually relevant to Nintendo's numbers, but heck, it's irony at its best. MS is also appealing to a bigger audience here: most people I know around here have gaming pcs, not consoles.
Whomever manages to implement a balance between pirate-friendlyness (specially for the most expensive games) and also has a digital-only VERY cheap delivery system (talking about games for... 5 U$Ds roughly), will probably win the whole South American market. Even with a more expensive console.

Bastard Thedge

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#62 April 08, 2012, 04:05:40 pm

Lazy spriter
Demon in heaven gotta carry a knife

Once jailbreak came out, PS3 is the default console around.

That’s when I thought, “good grief”
Just ain’t my belief
Until I saw the holes
Inside his hand

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