The Mugen Fighters Guild - Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

Bastard Walt

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#41 April 04, 2012, 04:02:57 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

Valodim said, April 04, 2012, 02:48:48 am

I have access to a 360 now, and I have yet to find (or be shown) a single exclusive game on it that I would be excited about.

Many people I know consider the very existence of Mass Effect reason enough to buy a 360.
Gears of War and Halo themselves are reason enough for the console to have taken off the ground in the first place.
There are SO many exclusives in XBLA for arcade games, and Kinect is vastly superior to the PS Move.
While the PS3 has free online, Xbox Live Gold is superb. Dunno about PSN+

While I consider Halo to be utter shit, I bought the console because of Gears of War, and Kinect has been a welcome addition to play party games with family and friends.

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blackstar

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#42 April 04, 2012, 05:04:49 pm

ಠ_ಠ said, April 04, 2012, 02:57:02 am

i'm not saying all wii games are bad, but if you want to play something that isn't NINTENDO your wii can't help you

No more Heroes 1&2
Madworld
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Red Steel 2
Xenoblade Chronocles (the best JRPG released this decade)
The last Story
Tatsunoko Vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Little King's Story
Sin & Punishment 2
Rayman: Origins

So that's 12 wii games not made by Nintendo that are on par or better than PS3 Aand XBOX 360 games, honestly look at the reviews for these games. So i'd say you're wrong there

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Girard

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#43 April 04, 2012, 05:16:18 pm

Professional Procrastinator

Okami shouldn't be counted replace it with MH3 but still 11 games doesn't compare to the number of 3rd party games on PS3 and Xbox but Wii U looks more opened to 3rd party games then Wii so there shouldn't be a panic that Wii U will only be good for Nintendo Games and a few 3rd party titles.

Saikoro said, April 04, 2012, 11:19:44 am

but I want more than just Mario and fucking Zelda. Nintendo has been overly reliant on their small golden stable.

Well if Kid Icarus: Uprising is any indicator they plan on bringing back some of the older titles Donkey Kong Country: Returns was a nice start and Pikmin 3 is already announced for Wii U i expect we'll see a Star Fox or F-Zero soon also.

Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 05:27:18 pm by Girard

Bastard Walt

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#44 April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

None of those can compare to genre-equivalent games in current game consoles, and you can't play in HD TVs without those looking like shit (yeah, I saw NMH in a 32" LCD, it looked like shit) + You can't play contemporary blockbusters like Street Fighter 4 (played in EVO, for actual money) nor play co-op in RE5, nor play RE6.

Yeah, Wii rocks :woohoo:

Everything that is relevant is outside that console. Low Def, PS2 looking games, and jerking off to Mario is a niche thing.
I'll only give you No More Heroes and Madworld, and those won't make me buy a console.

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blackstar

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#45 April 04, 2012, 05:39:27 pm

I personally don't care much for graphics, I'm more of a gameplay and storyline kind of guy. On that note look at the graphics for Red Steel 2, Muramasa the demon blade and Sin & Punishment 2 and show me a ps2 game that can do the same. Although I can appreciate graphics of course but at the end of the day I would use FF XIII and 2 (which both have beautiful graphics) as a paper weight and actually play Xenoblade Chronocles (the less said about this games graphics the better) any day

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Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#46 April 04, 2012, 05:48:55 pm

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

None of those can compare to genre-equivalent games in current game consoles

Ok now you're just wrong here. For example, give me one JRPG on PS3 or 360 that can live up to Xenoblade. And please don't say FF XIII.

btw add Rayman: Origins to that list above, that game was a blast.

ALSO it is not like the first party games didn't count! and there are quite a lot of really awesome ones in that category.

Bastard Walt

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#47 April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 pm

ALE ALEJANDRO

I know for a fact that RPG lovers enjoy the Nintendo consoles very much.

Anyway, you piqued my curiosity. I looked up Red Steel 2, and it looks like they used cel shading on the models on low polygon count models. Sure, it looks good ... because the art direction is good, but that's not exactly being innovative, as it is creative. Celshading exists since PS1, and not many developers used it because of the industry moving forward to more realistic graphics.

There were a few PS2 games that also pushed the console's limits, BLACK was a shooter that was close to being a newer generation game graphic wise. What the cube or the Wii do is not impressive at all, in an era where impressive is the Arms Race.

@Valodim First party games Nintendo games are only relevant to long time Nintendo fans, and kids. So yes, they don't count.

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Saikoro

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#48 April 04, 2012, 06:02:33 pm

Portrait Prodigy EX+

Valid points from everyone. The Wii does indeed have some decent software, but those decent games are far and in between. You have like 1 good game for every 8 shit titles. Mad World and Epic Mickey are fantastic. But that's two games, used comparatively, out of how many?? The 360 has its share of crap, but its not a SEA of crap like the Wii has.

I'm also with you guys on the graphics don't matter argument, but seriously, PS2 style graphics do not do well in an HD era. Spruce the graphics up a bit. That's all I'm asking.

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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.

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Just No Point

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#49 April 04, 2012, 06:23:19 pm

It's really all about what you like.

The wii has more games I personally would buy. The PS3 and 360 have the same games for my taste. The main difference is that I don't want to pay for online, I prefer the PS controller, and I wanted a blue ray player. Even though I only have 1 blue ray XD (Came with SF4)

If I ever get a 360 it'll just be for kinect. As I played it at my friends and it's super fun!

I don't have a large variety that I like playing however. I like fighting games. That is all I have on PS3 besides Tomb Raider.

And I like side scrollers and Zelda
So for the Wii I like the Mario games, Zelda, Kirby, DKC, and Rayman Origins. Mario Kart is also the only racing game I ever liked.

Though I'd say I'm probably a minority XD FPS , God of War, MGS, etc fans really should stick to other consoles. PS3 and 360 have more titles deemed popular.
Basically wii is a better console for casuals too I guess

Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#50 April 04, 2012, 06:30:10 pm

Saikoro said, April 04, 2012, 06:02:33 pm

Valid points from everyone. The Wii does indeed have some decent software, but those decent games are far and in between. You have like 1 good game for every 8 shit titles. Mad World and Epic Mickey are fantastic. But that's two games, used comparatively, out of how many?? The 360 has its share of crap, but its not a SEA of crap like the Wii has.

That quantity comes from the amount of titles because publishers were shoveling out crap. There still are easily 40+ good games on Wii (yes, counting first party)

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I'm also with you guys on the graphics don't matter argument, but seriously, PS2 style graphics do not do well in an HD era. Spruce the graphics up a bit. That's all I'm asking.

In that department, you get what you pay for. Simple as that. You want better graphics hardware, you gotta spend twice the money on it.

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:53:46 pm

@Valodim First party games Nintendo games are only relevant to long time Nintendo fans, and kids. So yes, they don't count.

That's a gross overgeneralization, and at least missing the casual gamers. You can't just dismiss Nintendo classics right after stating Kinect is a great addition for parties.

We are probably going in circles here, most of us have informed decisions about all three consoles and made up their opinions over the years. We are not really disagreeing on anything either, just putting different weights on different points.

OZ

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#51 April 04, 2012, 07:21:01 pm

ಠ_ಠ

blackstar said, April 04, 2012, 05:04:49 pm

So that's 12 wii games not made by Nintendo that are on par or better than PS3 Aand XBOX 360 games, honestly look at the reviews for these games. So i'd say you're wrong there

you actually just kind of proved my point

ಠ_ಠ

blackstar

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#52 April 04, 2012, 10:43:14 pm

Although the way you worded it sounded as though you were saying the wii has no third party titles worth mentioning, i'd say 12+ is a decent number

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OZ

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#53 April 05, 2012, 01:43:49 am

ಠ_ಠ

it's not, but okay

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Lobo

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#54 April 06, 2012, 05:36:17 am

Bounty Hunting.....FOR PROFIT!

I guess back to the point:

If they will do this it wont stop piracy. If anything it's going to help make it better. I honestly think the gaming community shouldn't alienate its userbase anymore than it already has. DLC is good but paid unlockables is kind of lame even if you are a fan of the series. To be honest I wish that the community went back to its hayday back in the days of when you were mailed a demo disc of a game and it was more about the game itself rather than the label on it. Not saying that people like us are easily bought by a brand or icon, but to discourage growth within the industry through false reputation is discouraging.

Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#55 April 06, 2012, 07:50:39 pm

Lobo said, April 06, 2012, 05:36:17 am

If they will do this it wont stop piracy. If anything it's going to help make it better.

there is kind of a critical mass of pissing off people with restrictions. once you get the wrong high caliber people involved they will find a way to break your system, if only as proof of concept, and once that happened you will be dealing with the damage for the rest of your platform's lifecycle. That's what happened to hdcp, for example.

Lobo

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#56 April 07, 2012, 04:32:56 am

Bounty Hunting.....FOR PROFIT!

I see.

But still it means alot when a company does this kind of thing. I know that once something has been done like this there is no real solution but they should make it harder for them instead of just making it harder for the consumers. I seriously hope this is merely rumor and that gaming isnt headed down that dark, narrow road.

Lasombra Demon

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#57 April 07, 2012, 05:37:44 am

WIP: SF4 CE

The Wii won the war for its era, like it or not. $ numbers do not lie. The way I see it now, it's all wether the fugly expensive giant WiiU controller beats the Kinect. Sony is out of touch in this area, the 'Move' controller was an unsuccessful bleh. Maybe with the Vita + Next Gen Console combo they'll manage to do exactly the same: mimic Nintendo's latest successfull gimmick in a mediocre way and get crappy results.

MS seems to be playing its cards better than the rest; they appeal to casual AND hardcore gamers. In the mean time, they've released a Kinect for Windows, with the mild chance of causing a revolution in the world of generic applications and interphasing with electronics - not just games. The promise of a better Kinect still sparks a little hope for better games for it, too, considering most of them are subpar.

I find the whole PS3/X360 game catalogue quite similar (if anything, I'd get a PS3 because I can get the Xbox stuff that's released for Windows). Anyways, where I'm from, the only reasonable way to get a game legally is via Steam or a similar extra-cheap digital download- any other option and the exchange rate makes the stuff too expensive (as in, 'buy groceries for two weeks with the money this game is worth' expensive). Add extra-stupid DRM and physical-only media, and this stuff ain't gonna work in 3rd world countries; people will just NOT buy it.

Duos

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#58 April 07, 2012, 06:37:56 am

walt said, April 04, 2012, 05:19:45 pm

jerking off to Mario is a niche thing.

Only on a Mugen forum would you find someone saying that the most well known, popular and influential video game series of all time is a "niche thing."

Saikoro

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#59 April 07, 2012, 05:51:33 pm

Portrait Prodigy EX+

V makes a good point. If there's encryption, there's decryption. Capcom encrypted all of their CPS system games, and now we can enjoy them via emulation. Sony went nuts trying to constantly patch up the PSP, and we all know what happened there. Aren't there hacked 360 communities??

I also remember a story from back in the late 90's. Someone broke through a copy protected CD system by coloring the edge of a disc with a sharpie marker.

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Unstabler said, January 31, 2013, 04:11:33 pm

I'd like to report two robots on the MFG forums: One is EXShadow. The other is Saikoro.

GarchompMatt said, September 17, 2013, 12:37:33 am

There should be a Saikoro plugin for Photoshop.

Valodim

Re: Next X-Box: Piracy and Used Games

#60 April 07, 2012, 08:01:52 pm

Lasombra Demon said, April 07, 2012, 05:37:44 am

fugly expensive giant WiiU controller

Who gives a crap about the controller, if it's a Wii-like system with state of the art 2010 graphics hardware - that works for me. Also I don't think the controller is that expensive - it's basically a wiimote with a touchscreen, and since the rise of tablets these aren't that expensive anymore.

Also, tablets are kind of the new thing. And I'd love to see what the hacking community can do with a remote display controller

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