What seems to have ignited the debate:

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

DjSturks said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

No.  I wish it was.  You'd think we were past that.

Be past what?  A joke is a joke.  The word "nigger" is funny... even to a black guy like me.

Now, he said that we should be past it.
But I mean, yes, we really should be past it... That joke is so fucking old 

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

I haven't even played your shit yet, and I still think it's awesome.  I'm also going to go download every other racist themed character in existence of mugen history and have them all fight to the death.

Wow, so that sheds some light on where you appear to be coming from.
You seem to run after this char because it's racially themed, like a fanatic.
Of course I could be wrong, but I have to say after reading that I doubt you really give a shit.  (which isn't a bad thing, it's just IMO stupid)

Wujizah Panzermanathod said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

I hate it when people refer to black people as "African American". Unless the guy *is* from Africa, and resides in America. In that case, I don't mind. But if white people can be called white people, black people can be called black people.

African Americans ARE Black, but not all Blacks are African American.
It's just a simple regional thing that makes little sense to anyone. The stories that every black person has to tell about how they're classifeied incorrectly and other people telling them... No, that's accurate; is the funniest thing to have ever known about.
Who the hell decided OK, let's call black people African Americans now ???
Who the hell decided that a small group of black people spoke for the entire population.  ???


E.G.
An Afro European, being classified incorrectly as African American, because they, at the point of the label are in America. Yes, it's a WTF.
The term African American has now become what describes all black people as far as Americans go and WTF how in the hell does that stand as politically accurate  ???


This issue, in my belief, stems from the usage of black as the color of Evil and white as the color of Good.
I just think people were thinking too much, and were just looking for something to call offensive and POP... whudda ya know...
Well I'm not even gonna get into a history lesson, because History is as funy as shit.


To me this issue is as important as all the racist elements that are piled into Dragon Ball Z



I say Black and Black it is 

Please define "Aferican".

K.O.D said, August 31, 2007, 04:36:09 pm

Real "Americans" : So-called "Red Indians"
"Black" Americans : African Descent
"Americans" : European Descent

ASIANS FTW.

   +1

Drunk Ryu said, August 31, 2007, 04:01:13 pm

Well, first off. Black people only came to the US by White man. For slave use. Hence Aferican American. Black people only come from aferica, in turn everone that is Black has Aferican Decent. So thats why they are probaly called Aferican Americans.

Yes and No.
That is way to vague and way to definite a statement.

It is said that Black people in every place are descended from their African Ancestors but it is known that they had migrated into Southern and Western Asia, even Southern Europe... ON THEIR OWN.
If those people were to migrate to come to America for a day someone would look at them and say "African American" which is wrong.


It also concerns how the people define themselves.
Most People of any ethnic background to whom I have spoken have an issue with the label of... American, behind their regional label. They say they are NOT Americans and I agree based on what they would call themselves.


The only term that in this modern day and time, whether liked or not, that can successfully define the population is the term Black unless we want to reinstate the 'unoffensive'/'offensive' term Negro






Edit - Addition

s_dot_thadon said, August 31, 2007, 04:31:53 pm

Well white man came here by boat as well and are of european decent so why are they not classified as euro-americans?

Yes but European Americans are the ones who control the labels

s_dot_thadon said, August 31, 2007, 04:31:53 pm

I feel like anyone who takes the word nigger as funny is most likely racist or misinformed. The dictionary meaning is not how it is utilized, its a slur. Nigga on the other hand is used in jest, holds a totally different meaning.

In my view both are ignorant and offensive.

"N" word defined in any form:
- Formerly, SUPPOSEDLY, used as a term for "ignorant" before it's more popularly known meaning today

- Now a term known in history as a slur used from Slave Master to Slave meaning the equivalent of...
"My Uneducated, Bitch"
"Vermin"
"Animal Who has come under My Dominion by God's Word"
"Person who is evil because their skin is an abomination"
etc.


- The stupid person's variation of the word so they can use it as a humorous joke, but then can turn around when the real thing is said, or if they're damn word is used by anybody else (WTF)... But which I confess I don't really care about. 
Yeah, I can guarantee that more White people throughout the world use the N-Word than Blacks using the C/H words, but it's really not something to spend energy on because it's useless to try to stop.

People get over it 

Yeah you can get mad at White adults who go on the 'news' and complain that blacks say it all the time, but it is precisely where they say it is and where they are... TELEVISION. The Reality is what was stated above... hate to say it but it's sadly unbiased, and true.

Drunk Ryu said, August 31, 2007, 05:36:56 pm

Its WAY off topic from Nigga Ryu

Wow,   .......   

Yes, I'm off topic, but then why did you give input into the debate in the first place as well. 

This was in every way just another addition to the debate as any other part 

Good Way, though       rather pointed but still a Good Way

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 06:20:32 pm

This is how they think, this is how they want to express themselves.  As long as they're not fucking up the mechanics of the board or plotting some huge violent movement, I could care less how often, how venomous, or hateful their use of the word is, and so should you.

Well Duh.
I've said tons of time that I don't really care about it. READ.

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

Tee Hee Hee said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

I haven't even played your shit yet, and I still think it's awesome.  I'm also going to go download every other racist themed character in existence of mugen history and have them all fight to the death.

Of course I could be wrong, but I have to say after reading that I doubt you really give a shit.   (which isn't a bad thing, it's just IMO stupid)

What I think is STUPID is your worrying about what I do in my spare time when you don't even know me.

Re-Read the quote man. I said I don't know you, Jackass.

I don't give a shit about what you do. It's the fucking Internet you can do and say whatever you want.



That was a fucking joke      Lighten Up and Calm Down 

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

Tee Hee Hee said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

African Americans ARE Black, but not all Blacks are African American.
It's just a simple regional thing that makes little sense to anyone. The stories that every black person has to tell about how they're classifeied incorrectly and other people telling them... No, that's accurate; is the funniest thing to have ever known about.
Who the hell decided OK, let's call black people African Americans now ???
Who the hell decided that a small group of black people spoke for the entire population.  ???

How about everyone not get so butthurt over stupid symantics?  In this case, it's pretty pointless.

I believe that if you had completely read my post you would see that is exactly what I said. 

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

Tee Hee Hee said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

To me this issue is as important as all the racist elements that are piled into Dragon Ball Z

The hell it is.  People will bitch about small shit like this when there's other more inportant shit.  Fuck respect issues, let's concentrate on more ways to be feul and energy efficient, recycling, better justice system, better school systems, etc.  Fuck this shit.

Are you fucking serious.

How in the Hell did you even take that comment seriously Dumb Shit  ???

Really, what in teh hell would be the purpose in focusing on DBZ. 

I even put a laughter symbol after it and worded the phrase so that everyone would know NOT to take it seriously.

Sol Badguy Z said, August 31, 2007, 11:28:46 am

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I say Black and Black it is 

Thanks for pointing that out, MASTER..........OF THE OBVIOUS.

Translation in the context in which it was written:

Just say Black and Don't give a shit about anyone else.

Of course I'd point it out stupid.
That is just to reinforce the understood bold text, again; It is necessary to be said because.... uhhh... the fact that this issue exists in the first place makes justifies posting the sentence. Not saying that I'm speaking to the masses, I'm speaking to anyone that has this question on the issue and who may read this post.

Sol Badguy Z you take things way too seriously. Most places where I use smileys such as    or   are meant as jokes.
Chill Out dude 

I am quite calm, and you didn't say that you don't "know me", you just say "of course I could be wrong" which is a cop out used to blanket your opinionated response.  You can't do that.  Either say it or don't.  I mean, "I don't wanna reply, but I will, just pretend that my post is empty, will ya?"

Lol, the smilie arguement.  Because they convey messages perfectly over the internet.  Nice fail.  Maybe I shouldn't take it seriously, but a lot of people take DBZ seriously, and that's what I went by.

...

And I'll say again, the smiley argument is retarded, never use that as a reliable excuse again.  It doesn't work.

If you'd stop blanketing your responses with pull out/retreating statements, it'd be less hard to understand you.  :\

Let's get something straight, before we both get reported by sissy, whinning little faggots who'll shit their pants because they can't handle a little name calling between posters - I only insulted you once, and it was a mild one at that.  Right now, you're manning the harpoons.  YOU are the one overreacting.

And I'll say again, the smiley argument is retarded, never use that as a reliable excuse again.  It doesn't work.

I wonder how Ryu wen't "niggah"??