Ok, guys, stop replying here, this will remain open for when navana wants to own up and explain himself, but otherwise posts that are not from him will get deleted from this point on.
You dont get to go "what he said lol"You come up with whatever you want to say, but dont brush it off duo said QuoteBest thing you can do now is to tell the truth, apologize, and move on. End result: most users will forget about this whole ordeal in the long term.you dont apologize by saying "what he said".Thats like saying "right back at you" when someone tells you that they love you.
Duo Solo said, March 29, 2011, 05:36:45 amQuoteIf you could do me a favor and at least just post in the forums saying I'm just going to be myself, and that's all I will really say. You can quote me from this if you want. Once people actually stop being rude and such, then maybe I'll explain myself in a more calm atmosphere, <-- that you can add onto the sentence up above. Other then that, sorry if I bothered you. And I don't think many people like me.This is one of the many PM's I have exchanged with Navana. Had a nice talk, told me everything [size=4pt]Kindness will take you far in life.[/size] Nice person with nice intentions, they are just misunderstood. He has a past on other forums who disliked him because of his opinions, and therefore decided to do the things he has done recently. The so called attempts of 'trolling' and 'attention whoring' were all attempts at him trying to be funny and being "liked".As stated above, Im sure Navana is willing to explain their self and talk to you guys about the posts and pictures, just as long as ya'll keep your attitudes in check and knock the facey space email stalker shit off.
Iced said, March 29, 2011, 07:14:15 pmAh that one, okay.And I'll more then likely be better at explaining in PM's, just saying.
QuoteIf you could do me a favor and at least just post in the forums saying I'm just going to be myself, and that's all I will really say. You should probably say more. Like maybe say you are sorry.QuoteOnce people actually stop being rude and such, then maybe I'll explain myself in a more calm atmosphere, Understandable but at the same time, you were being rude by lying to people and I find it even more rude that you will only explain yourself "if" Basically you are giving an ultimatum. You are saying you will only speak if people kiss your ass. Sorry that isn't the way the world works and the mods are going to keep the retards off of you. Quotedon't think many people like me.How could they? I mean you have insulted them by lying to them and now you are giving ultimatums. And lastly about your PMs. You lied to everyone in public, perhaps your explanations and apology should be in public. In short, grow up. The world isn't a bed of roses and the internet is even worse.
Goddamnit, Sham, I was trying to follow orders and not post in this thread.Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyNavana, if you do apologize in PM's, you'll need to clear your schedule and send a PM to every active user you successfully trolled. Also, don't tell us to be nice and then you'll apologize. That ain't how it works, sir. Just apologize and swallow your pride.
yeah... in less word at first I believe he was a girl, because I have meet girls with strange hobbies and I tought mugen would be possible, since we have meet Molddred, Darkgirl, Blue_blood and other females using mugen and the forum...but now I feel like a dumb, trying to be respectful to "she" because everyone was just rude... and you know what?just was a lie, so I got trolled and he lost all the respect for me, and like Shamrock says, putting an "ultimatum" will not work, you were rude man, maybe you feel a bit girly, but be a man and just apologize, even if most of us will not trust you, at least is a better start than being known as the liar here
Orochi Gill said, March 29, 2011, 08:59:46 pmI honestly really don't know what Moldredd's gender is. I've heard both. When in doubt, it's probably male. Otherwise, just choose female or both.
Mind, please dont reply unless you are navana, who so far hasnt even said he was sorry for anything, just made allusion to the reasons that were to be revealed sometime later on.Anything else is just digging his hole deeper. Just like he attempted to do at Mi pretending to not be the same person , trust issues in a place where you need to code and trust that the other person is telling you the truth and delivering you code and etc, is part of the whole package.So dont post unless you are navana trying to make amends, and dont bother me too much.
Just to clarify before I even begin to start with this apology, that my friend, did infact know I was using her pictures, and my reason will be displayed why in the apology I am going to put.Alright, so everyone found out I was a gay guy in real life, and it doesn't really bother me. I know I made a mistake, and it wasn't to actually troll anyone, nor to get anyone upset, so you guys can say "Oh he trolled us" or "He went over the line of trolling," because I wasn't intentionally doing that. Yeah, using my friends pictures is obviously not a good idea to do, and instead I should have used my own pictures. This will sound like a very stupid reason, but in all aspects, it is understandable. With those comments like "we have a Justin Bieber" here and so on, you really think I would have wanted to post my pictures to begin with? I know I don't seem like a sensitive person, nor does anyone actually care, but I actually get quite enough disrespect outside of the internet, as well as harassment, so I honestly don't appreciate being called things like "it". I'm not an unknown species, I'm a Male, and a human just like the rest of you are, and I don't like being called that. I don't have gender issues, as I heard Beatrice bring that up earlier, it's just the fact I prefer to be Female in other circumstances, rather then be a male. I'll be honest, yeah, I'm insecure of myself, but that doesn't mean you have the right to actually tell me I'm an "it." Sorry for getting off of what I was saying, but I just don't appreciate it.Onto what I was saying, yes, I do apologize for what I did, but the reason why I did use my friends pictures to begin with was because I had the thought of, (since I usually assume, I know that's a bad habit.) "Who would believe a gay guy could do creations?" Stupid reason to do it in the first place, but tough luck, because that's honestly what my answer is. Trust me, I don't like losing friends, but I'm quite used to it, so if I got anyone who dislikes me because of this, then oh well because I can move on without them. On a side note, people who understand me like Caddie, and Solo, thank you, I honestly appreciate it, and since people didn't seem to believe Solo about what I actually said in PM, I'll say it right here: I'm going to be myself, and that's all I can really do.Also, a quick note. If you're going to harass me around another forum, and be rude to me, why don't you just PM me your thoughts? Seriously, why stir it up in a forum to get off-topic when you can just tell me straight through a message that I can read, and not have other people make it a dramatic scene. You guys can dislike me, or you guys can try to like me once again, I can honestly move on with either or, and if all of this isn't enough, then tell me what else you'd like me to say, because I've pointed out the obvious of what people were wanting. Once again, I apologize for my actions, it was a mistake, and I took responsibility for it. If I ever am allowed to go in and post pictures in the "post your picture thread" you can assure it will be me, and not one of my friends. On that note, I leave this apology with everyone else.PM me if you guys have any questions.~John.
For the record, you're not the first gay guy to convert content for MUGEN. (Ew I can't believe I just involved myself in this!!!)P.S. being yourself is the shit!!!
Woah, wall of text. That was actually quite well written. To add onto what Temp said, though, no one is going to say OMG HE'S GAY HE CAN'T CREATE!!!111oneone!!. Gay or not, you can create whatever you like. Apology accepted, and I'm sure I speak for the majority of the community.On a side note, let this guy back into the Post Your Picture thread. I want to see what he looks like.
There are a lot of prominent homosexual mugen creators that frequent this forum.Aside from the occasional tounge in cheek joke, I have never seen our gay users singled out or harassed in any way.It's not something you have to lie about. There wouldn't have been a problem.The lying is what caused this.I'm not saying I (and others) acted appropriately. What bothered me is that you were obviously lying.When faced with evidence, you lied to my face(erm...screen) and called me rude.What bothered me even more was the massive response some people were giving to something I knew to be a lie.Maybe I didn't like being made to look like an ass, or maybe I just felt like I needed to save the ignorant users; neither are very mod-like and I recognize that.Now that you've come clean, I can forgive and forget.Just be you.As Iced mentioned; on the internet, trust and credibility are all you've got.Keep that in mind.
QuoteYeah, using my friends pictures is obviously not a good idea to do, and instead I should have used my own pictures. This will sound like a very stupid reason, but in all aspects, it is understandable. With those comments like "we have a Justin Bieber" here and so on, you really think I would have wanted to post my pictures to begin with? well... not to post anything at all... easy as that...there's a lot of people here that we don't know how they look like... and there's also many gay guys on mugen (I'm not gonna say names)...at least you did the first step and apologize... now like you say move on with or without the ones that don't trust you
... you had to pretend to be a woman because there were no way people would believe in a gay creator?About thirty percent of them are gay, even the user you are now berating for saying you maybe wanted to be a woman, IS a transexual and has probably faced more discrimination in real life than you have. We also have a lot of gay men that put themselves as female on their profiles .They just arent flamboyant or insistant as to make their sexual preference their only defining factor. ( except one or two unfortunate cases), and they dont post pictures of other persons, trying to trick people.Acting dramatic attracts drama, so, you pulled this on yourself.Far as communities go, if there is one thing this community is not, is homophobic, if anything you ended up showing more homophobe tendencies than people here. About the comments on your pic , they happened in bad nature because you were acting in bad nature, If you didnt want to post your picture you shouldnt post a picture at all and lying about yourself made people react accordingly.Remember , people trust only when they are trusted and while a hardened skin is better to deal with things online, people also respect honesty. You dont have to share anything about yourself, but when you do, whatever you do, try not to bullshit people, its a quick way to make them think you are a douche.Now go apprentice under caddie and shit and try to keep yourself out of troubles.
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND. Where is the apology?And if you don't want to be called "it", don't fake a different gender. Duh. For all I know you are donkey and it isn't like I can take your word otherwise, because you have not told the truth before. So If you don't appreciate "It" don't lie about things. Note that I won't use that term again, but still you typed a paragraph about "it" when you should be apologizing. This isn't all about you, you fucking Pre-Madonna. It is about the people you lied to. Perhaps your self-centeredness is why you keep losing friends; just a thought. Oh and I don't buy into your excuse you provided instead of owning up and giving an apology. I mean Bia used to be a man for Fuck's sake and nobody here gives her shit.
