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Plot holes in sci fi
#1  May 21, 2014, 06:14:33 pm
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#2  May 21, 2014, 06:31:30 pm
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Star Trek Into Darkness is the worst, most recent offender to me. It has so many I can't even list them! Most of the plot is plothole, even.

But don't worry there's good news, one of the screenwriters of Into Darkness is also going to direct the sequel!
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#3  May 21, 2014, 10:13:00 pm
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Harry Potter's Hermoine's device to travel time.
It is used in one book just to save some bird's life, when it could be used to prevent the whole Voldemort thingy.
That’s when I thought, “good grief”
Just ain’t my belief
Until I saw the holes
Inside his hand
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#4  May 21, 2014, 10:42:27 pm
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Ooh! Ooh! I'm an ex-Potterhead, I can answer this. Well, kinda.

In Book 5, J.K. Rowling must've realized she fucked up because when everyone's fighting in the Ministry of Magic, the room containing all the Time Turners was destroyed. This doesn't explain why they didn't use it in Book 4, but it covers everything after 5.

Everything before Book 4 wasn't defended officially, but the most diehard of Potterheads say that you can't use the Time Turner to alter something that has been prophesized or is destined to happen, which is bullshit. At this point I became an ex-Potterhead because I realized how terrible Rowling's writing is, and I await the day that people take off the nostalgia glasses and realize that they were basically reading a book that is as forgettable as Twilight.

For my own plot hole:

In Star Wars Episode V, how long does Luke train before he fights Darth Vader? This doesn't look like a problem until you realize the Millenium Falcon was sitting in a space worm's gut simultaneously. So either Luke stopped training after a few hours, or the Millenium Falcon was in a digestive system for weeks/months.
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#5  May 21, 2014, 10:43:38 pm
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The Falcon had many wacky months of off-screen adventures, and everyone was wearing the same clothes coincidentally!
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#6  May 22, 2014, 01:02:41 am
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Well in avengers Stark claims he is getting all of shield's info



In winter soldier turns out Shield was hiding Hydra. So Stark couldnt have gotten those. Or he did and he lied!
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#7  May 22, 2014, 01:10:39 am
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Well he got all of the regular shields info. Obviously secret evil hydra plans would not be on regular shield database.

Yeah, that works.

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#8  May 22, 2014, 01:27:17 am
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how about the whole sub plot in avengers about how fury needed a way to use the cube,  but it turns out that they had zola with shield for at least 20 years before he got roboticized ( at which point i assume he wasnt officially with shield but with evil shield)
Zola was the one that weaponized the cube in the forties why wouldnt shield just let him weaponize it again if they wanted the tech.
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#9  May 22, 2014, 02:07:56 am
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Well didn't he but his brain in the computer all the way back in 70's? Pretty unlikely that Fury would both know of that and be able to get him to make cube tech. That cube thing was ran by fury and im pretty sure he was not aware of hydra for very long.

Yeah, that works.

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#10  May 22, 2014, 02:25:46 am
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This is a comics one, but my all time favorite is Nightcrawler's father Azazel, who had the brilliant plan to escape his hell dimension by teleporting out his hell dimension to Earth to father children who could teleport him out of his hell dimension to Earth.
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#11  May 22, 2014, 02:30:17 am
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Fuck Chuck Austen.

how about the whole sub plot in avengers about how fury needed a way to use the cube,  but it turns out that they had zola with shield for at least 20 years before he got roboticized ( at which point i assume he wasnt officially with shield but with evil shield)
Zola was the one that weaponized the cube in the forties why wouldnt shield just let him weaponize it again if they wanted the tech.
SHIELD didn't want Zola anywhere near the Cube, because they didn't fully trust him with it. And the HYDRA faction of SHIELD that was pulling the strings all along didn't want Zola to do anything to the Cube because they'd learned their lesson about overt takeovers (and didn't want to equip all of SHIELD with Cube weapons, because they wouldn't be able to keep the supply exclusively in their hands); their new approach required subtlety and patience. So they had him work on other projects (Winter Soldier upkeep, perhaps?) and everyone thought he died in the 70s, when in actuality he was uploaded to a computer and developed the Insight algorithm and other stuff.

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#12  May 23, 2014, 05:10:11 pm
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Steven Moffat. Since started to lead Doctor Who after Russell T Davies, he made a lot of plot holes in his stories, the most recent one is "The Time of the Doctor" Christmas Special, the final chpter of Eleventh Doctor, when he would answer all the questions he left in this Doctor's run... and it left more plot holes than ever
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#13  May 23, 2014, 06:49:58 pm
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Don't post any examples or anything.

I mean, I agree with you but at least back up your claim.

Harry Potter's Hermoine's device to travel time.
It is used in one book just to save some bird's life, when it could be used to prevent the whole Voldemort thingy.

Any time time travel is used as a plot point without any/minimum build up, it ends up stupid.
See:Kingdom Hearts.

That being said, it's pretty much an unwritten rule in time travel media that you can't fuck with events that's already happened.
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#14  May 23, 2014, 06:52:12 pm
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That being said, it's pretty much an unwritten rule in time travel media that you can't fuck with events that's already happened.
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#15  May 23, 2014, 08:24:35 pm
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Yeah and look what happened.

I should of worded that better.
It's not that you can't mess with established events, it's that you shouldn't.
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#16  May 23, 2014, 08:29:34 pm
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Mary messes with established events and winds up in a reality where Doc isn't dead, his parents are happy and rich, his brother has a good job, his sister isn't dating weirdos. Things are absolutely better for Marty then they were before he messed with past events! :P
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#17  May 23, 2014, 09:11:39 pm
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The entire message of the series is that the future isn't written in stone so you should do whatever you want. Doc Brown flat out says this while standing in front of his time train holding his wife that should have been a century dead and his children that should not exist. I don't know how it could have been any clearer.
If you close your eyes, your life a naked truth revealed
Dreams you never lived and scars never healed
In the darkness light will take you to the other side
And find me waiting there, you'll see if you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
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#18  May 23, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
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@Jmorphman: Except Marty now is faced with the reality that he's living with complete strangers. His entire past has ceased to exist, and he has no memories of this one.

Although they kinda explained this one in the Telltale Games, saying that a time-travelling object will eventually adjust to changes made in the past if given enough time, so he possibly mentally "caught up" with the changes.

Actually, while we're talking about BttF

1) In Part Two, how does Biff return to 2015 after going back in time and changing things in the 50's? While you might say that everything Biff did will be erased by 2015, Doc already acknowledges that they can't go to there to stop Biff because the timeline will still be the Biff-created one and not the one they went to.

2) Also regarding Part II, if Marty and Jennifer jumped forward to 2015, the future they visit would be a universe where they somehow disappeared in 1985, so both they and their kids would be erased from existence.

3) As much as I love the Telltale Games' storyline, I fail to see how Doc dating Edna Strickland would turn 1985 Hill Valley into a totalitarian dictatorship run by the two of them. Unless the entirety of America adopted their system, they probably would've been out of office very quickly.
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#19  May 23, 2014, 09:19:58 pm
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Although they kinda explained this one in the Telltale Games, saying that a time-travelling object will eventually adjust to changes made in the past if given enough time, so he possibly mentally "caught up" with the changes.
That was also Ryan North's theory, expressed in his delightful blog about the novelization!

2) Also regarding Part II, if Marty and Jennifer jumped forward to 2015, the future they visit would be a universe where they somehow disappeared in 1985, so both they and their kids would be erased from existence.
Eh, unless they died on their trip to the future I think the BttF universe would be OK with it, it is pretty lenient.

As for the other stuff, I dunno, it's been a while. But you've got a chance to earn a No-Prize figuring out a solution!
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#20  May 24, 2014, 09:37:18 am
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Actually, if you take the games into consideration, there might be an explanation for Biff's time travel adventure.

Spoiler: Don't read this if you haven't played the game yet and want to play it (click to see content)
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#21  May 24, 2014, 02:23:08 pm
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The classic Doctor Who serial "The Mawdryn Undead," explicitly states that Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart retired from UNIT in the year 1976.  However, UNIT hadn't even been formed until shortly before the events of an older serial, "The Invasion," which is set in the year 1979.  So we're left with the a timeline claiming that the Brig retired after a long, illustrious career with UNIT 3 years before UNIT even existed.
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#22  May 24, 2014, 02:50:21 pm
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The TARDIS Wiki says UNIT was formed after the Web of Fear which is in 1968, quoting the tie-in website. It's just that the Doctor learns about it in a story set in 1979 (and then knows about it in stories happening after, but set years earlier), it doesn't mean that UNIT only started existing in 1979. Time travel shenanigans.
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Okay, maybe not UNIT itself, but certainly before he was Brigadier.  That same wiki actually has a whole page devoted to it.  Here's how the problem breaks down:

The Web of Fear - Lethbridge-Stewart makes his first appearance as 'Colonel,' not 'Brigadier.'  Professor Travers remarks in this serial that it had been 40 years since the last time he saw the Doctor, Jamie, and Victoria, back in "The Abominable Snowmen" which was set firmly in 1935.  This dates Web of Fear to around 1975.

The Invasion - Lethbridge-Stewart's second appearance, after having been recently promoted to Brigadier.  He mentions in this serial that it had been 4 years since the events of Web of Fear, dating Invasion to around 1979.

Fast-forward to The Mawdryn Undead, which definitively states that the Brigadier retired from UNIT in 1976, a full 3 years before he was even made Brigadier.

I know they retconned it in Nu-Who with the UNIT website and all that, but people have been trying to figure out how to reconcile that mix-up for years.
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#24  May 24, 2014, 04:35:21 pm
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Oh, the site was an attempted sneak "nothing to see here, everything's normal" retcon, I see. Okay, it's a fuck up.
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#25  May 24, 2014, 05:55:49 pm
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Someone explain me why jor el put the matrix inside Clark.
It was the thing that he thought symbolized everything wrong with their civilization why was he sticking it inside his baby before shooting him into earth.