The Mugen Fighters Guild - Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

1Ultima

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2521 June 30, 2014, 11:23:45 am

Ho Ho Holy Shit, This Avatar's bad

Damn.
They should change that for ORAS.

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2522 June 30, 2014, 12:54:02 pm

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Dammit, that abbreviation made me want the next gen to introduce Pokemon Stands

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2523 July 01, 2014, 02:08:16 pm

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Got two of the Eevees near-finished (just need to level them up)

Spoiler: Jolteon (click to see content)

Pretty typical special sweeper, except his Speed IV is substantially lower than what I would've wanted, but hey, I needed Ice HP and it's not like any of the other Eeveelutions can even compare to Jolteon's speed.

Movelist is just your standard Jolteon set plus Thunder Wave because I couldn't think of an idea for a fourth attack.

Spoiler: Leafeon (click to see content)

On the other side of the spectrum, we have a Swords Dance setup sweeper that has awesome physical defense. Unlike Jolteon, I got the exact spread I wanted (it also helps that I didn't have to breed for Hidden Power either). Moveset is temporary because I haven't leveled him up high enough to give him Leaf Sword (it will replace Rock Smash when I get it).

Also, how the word censor let those nicks slip by is unknown to me.

Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 02:24:28 pm by Jango Pyrope

Kirishima

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2524 July 01, 2014, 02:09:38 pm

♫Enigmatic Feeling♫

Jango Pyrope said, June 29, 2014, 10:29:24 pm

I think R Inanimate is

Totally a dude.

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Movelist is just your standard Jolteon set plus Thunder Wave because I couldn't think of an idea for a fourth attack.

Crazy idea but there are Choice Scarf Jolteon in hopes of outspending enemy mirrors in Rotation. Thunder Wave might not work but there's Volt Switch, or it can set up Weather to help Leafeon's speed.

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Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 02:13:32 pm by Kirishima

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2525 July 01, 2014, 02:34:33 pm

[The only one worthy of my love!]

LOL for some reason I thought R Inanimate was a girl. Also yeah, will probably swap out Thunder Wave with Volt Switch, and the Choice Scarf idea just might work (too bad Jolteon doesn't know Trick otherwise I could have more fun with it)! Don't really see any real use for weather at all in this tourney (hence why Leafeon is just running its default ability), but I get what you're saying and I can understand its merits.

So far I think the only problem I'd run into would be Sylveon, because at most I can hit it with STAB moves no matter who I pick. I'm not really worried about Glaceon or Flareon causing problems though.

Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 02:37:50 pm by Jango Pyrope

The Fisher King

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2526 July 01, 2014, 09:03:44 pm

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Flareon would take a moonblast from a sylveon really well, ironically. Even if flareon is the worst eeveevolutions in terms of viability it has its own merits.

Just hit sylveon in the defensive stat with that leafeon and you´re good to go.

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Shadow0X3

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2527 July 01, 2014, 10:50:33 pm

AMERIKUH!!

Flareon finally got Flare Blitz, so it would make the perfect counter to Sylveon in an Eevee-only tournament. Could take even three Pixilate Hyper Voices, and OHKOs with the standard Guts Toxic Orb Flare Blitz.

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Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2528 July 02, 2014, 01:39:47 am

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Heh, wow, Flareon might actually have some utility now, and IIRC correctly, only Vaporeon is a threat to it. Even better, I don't have to worry about Hyper Voice since, as was mentioned earlier, it's a move tutor move. I guess I could run something like...

Flareon Guts
Nature: Adamant (Flareon won't be outunning any of the Eeveelutions any time soon, so why bother)
EVs: 252 Att, 252 SpD (in case I accidentally switch in on a Vaporeon Surf/Scald), and... 4 HP I guess?
Flare Blitz
Facade
Bite (if I run into Espeon)
... Flame Charge maybe? I dunno, his movepool is so limited in X/Y

Hell, this almost makes me want to start my team over and make it a Drought team just to spam Flare Blitz in the Sun.

Shadow0X3

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2529 July 02, 2014, 04:22:51 am

AMERIKUH!!

Flareon @ Toxic Orb
Guts
4 HP/252+ Atk/244 SpD/8 Spe (Speed creeping on any Flareon switches that want to speed creep on uninvested opponents)
-Flare Blitz
-Facade
-Bite
-Flame Charge/Quick Attack

Flare Blitz is main stab, but against things like Espeon, Facade kills as well

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However, Umbreon almost OHKOs with Foul Play, so unless you catch it on the switch you can't do much.

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This option gives you something like a 60% chance to KO on the switch by spamming Flare Blitz and then finishing opponents with Quick Attack as priority.
And against Jolteon:

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Also, against a Flareon:

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And as seen elsewhere, Facade will be your best option against Vaporeon, scoring a 2HKO against fully invested sets. And by speed creeping, your guaranteed a safe battle on a switch into it if you spam Facade. Considering most threats aren't taking much damage from Flare Blitz, it may be safer to spam Facade as your main offensive option, especially on teams with Vaporeon. You also outspeed uninvested Umbreon and 2HKO with Facade. In fact, your biggest threat while spamming Facade is actually Leafeon, who almost always survives after the switch, and deals 50% with Knock Off, and can either try to protect stall go for the 2HKO with it.
So, after I've written this well thought out analysis paper, you can deduce that your main issues using Flareon are going to be Leafeon, Umbreon with speed investment, or other Flareon running speed investment. Also, if you run mixed defenses, even a bastard set with 124 in SpD, you can have a chance of surviving two fully invested Psychics from Espeon and OHKO with anything not named Quick Attack. However, should you decide to run Flame Charge, you remove most speed threats after three uses and after that speed issues aren't an issue on potential switches.
So, for some reason I wrote you a research paper on Flareon. Enjoi

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Kirishima

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2530 July 02, 2014, 06:44:19 am

♫Enigmatic Feeling♫

I would personally reconfigure the EV spreading instead of dumping everything to Attack. Rather i would set the Attack EVs to "kill Espeon and 2HKO anything else" range and pass the rest to HP or speed to out creep common spreads and survive something from Vaporeon.

I don't really enjoy Flame Charge on it even if it needs two to bypass Jolteon. I would rather give it Toxic, Overheat, Protect for scouting, or Last Resort over Bite.

There are other methods I'm picturing on what would be present. Trick Room Espeon with 0-Speed IV Flareon and Normal Gem Adapt Last Resort Eevee for starters, can counter in a surprising way. I still am not use to Rotation.

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Last Edit: July 02, 2014, 06:51:07 am by Kirishima

Ricepigeon

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2531 July 02, 2014, 04:01:47 pm

Mega Klinklang confirmed

Jango Pyrope said, July 02, 2014, 01:39:47 am

EVs: 252 Att, 252 SpD (in case I accidentally switch in on a Vaporeon Surf/Scald), and... 4 HP I guess?

Might I suggest a spread of 116 HP, 252 Attack, 140 SpD?

4 SpA Vaporeon Scald vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Flareon: 140-168 (51.4 - 61.7%)
4 SpA Vaporeon Scald vs. 116 HP / 140 SpD Flareon: 152-182 (50.6 - 60.6%)

Doesn't really make the difference between a 2HKO and a 3HKO in most cases, but it gives you slightly better special bulk, while also giving you some on the physical side. Just to demonstrate:

252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Flareon: 145-172 (53.3 - 63.2%)
252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 116 HP / 140 SpD Flareon: 160-189 (53.3 - 63%)

252 SpA Espeon Psychic vs. 116 HP / 140 SpD Flareon: 120-142 (40 - 47.3%) -- 1.6% chance to 2HKO after toxic damage
252 SpA Espeon Psychic vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Flareon: 109-130 (40 - 47.7%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after toxic damage

116 HP / 140 SpD also gives you a better chance of surviving Foul Play from Umbreon:

0- Atk Umbreon Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 258-304 (94.8 - 111.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
0- Atk Umbreon Foul Play vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 258-304 (86 - 101.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Against opposing Flareon:

252+ Atk Guts Flareon Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 243-287 (89.3 - 105.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Flareon Flare Blitz vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 243-287 (81 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after toxic damage
252+ Atk Guts Flareon Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 109-129 (40 - 47.4%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after toxic damage
252+ Atk Guts Flareon Quick Attack vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Flareon: 109-129 (36.3 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after toxic damage

<<-- Updated 09/14/14

Alpaca-San said, February 09, 2014, 07:44:05 pm

You limit yourself so badly when you try to avoid variables. When you get over your fear of the "complexity" of variables, you will find yourself in a better place: A beautiful world where coding is actually fun.

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2532 July 03, 2014, 12:55:59 am

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Welp, thanks for the advice, everyone, but after playing for a long time without saving and my cartridge getting jiggled, I lost the Flareon I bred and the Espeon in progress. Not really motivated to enter now

, sorry for you guys coming up with awesome sets and shit, it made me realize that the Eeveelutions aren't nearly as limited as they were last gen.

So to take my mind off of it, I'm playing through HeartGold again, just picking up Pokemon to transfer over in Johto balls for breeding. Currently transferred Sudowoodo in a Heavy Ball and Dunsparce in a Love Ball, but I'll be looking around for any other mons that might be fun to see in Johto balls.

Shadow0X3

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2533 July 03, 2014, 03:44:05 am

AMERIKUH!!

Is there any chance I can make a request for some things? I don't really know what else I could offer you for them, but I have no way of getting these myself. The only things I really care to have are Growlithe's in Level balls and Heavy balls, because I like Arcanine, and I like those two special balls (phrasing)

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Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2534 July 03, 2014, 04:01:47 am

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Ah, Growlithe. Thankfully, that's part of my version exclusive, and I'm at the part of the game where they show up! I'll go look for two of 'em tonight. Maybe while I'm at it I'll look for some Mareep or something since apparently Mega Ampharos is a thing, and that I don't really see a point in running that Pokemon with its DW ability unless you were doing something weird like non-Mega Ampharos + Klinklang in double battl-pfffffhahahaha yeah right.

Shadow0X3

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2535 July 03, 2014, 04:19:49 am

AMERIKUH!!

Yeah see I looked at the exclusives so I didn't go and be stupid and ask for Skarm or something, seeing as he's a SS exclusive. Actually, wait. Can you get Scyther in HGSS?

Also, because beating dead horses is fun, I believe I've come up with an optimal Flareon set.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Now, against other Eeveelutions, you'll still be deathbait against any revenging Umbreons, and Vaporeon swallows your Flare Blitz's or Facades and 2HKOs with surf, but you sweep up pretty much anything else. If you get the opportunity, it's best to come in on a Volt Switch from Jolteon so that you're in for the end of the turn and don't take unnecessary damage from your Toxic Orb, and can then proceed to destroy most anything on an unprepared team. Unless I'm misunderstanding something about these battles, that's the best general set I can come up with. Any problems?

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Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 05:11:51 am by Shadow0X3

Jango Hakamichi

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2536 July 03, 2014, 09:21:23 am

[The only one worthy of my love!]

Shadow0X3 said, July 03, 2014, 04:19:49 am

Yeah see I looked at the exclusives so I didn't go and be stupid and ask for Skarm or something, seeing as he's a SS exclusive. Actually, wait. Can you get Scyther in HGSS?

Yeah, you can catch Scyther in HGSS, but only in the Bug Catching Contest, so they're all in Park Balls.

Also I caught both of those Growlithes. Goddamn those things are hard to catch (stop using Roar, dammit!). Pokebank is being stupid right now, though, so I'll upload them probably tomorrow or something.

Ricepigeon

Re: Pokemon X & Pokemon Y (3DS)

#2537 July 07, 2014, 08:59:32 pm

Mega Klinklang confirmed

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Pokémon XY - Vivillon

As the GTS has reached 100 million Pokémon traded, the Vivillon pattern distribution has been announced. This pattern will run from tomorrow, July 8th, to July 31st 2014 over the Nintendo Network. This Vivillon is exclusive to this download and comes with the special move, Hold Hands, that no other Pokémon can have.

So all that for a Vivillon that learns Splash?

<<-- Updated 09/14/14

Alpaca-San said, February 09, 2014, 07:44:05 pm

You limit yourself so badly when you try to avoid variables. When you get over your fear of the "complexity" of variables, you will find yourself in a better place: A beautiful world where coding is actually fun.