A feminist threatened with rape online was given the chance to meet one of the people that threatened to rape her, who is now serving jail time for online threats.The troll looks exactly like you would expect.http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30075370¨Quote"I want to warn people about what happened to me, and hopefully through being known as a Twitter troll, I can help kids in the future not muck up their life the way I mucked up mine,"
Hm...The fact the perpetrator in this case is a female really pokes holes in the commonly held notion that all trolls are nerdy, sexist, men.
well, this is quite a twist. I guess feminism can't fully be supported when there are some women out there that disbelieve it, Even though the troll threat was bad and there should be a better way to get your opinion out besides what she said .
i'm not sure how trolls being both female and male means feminism cant be supported. º_ºThat seems completely unrelated?
Flowrellik said, November 18, 2014, 06:24:50 pmwell, this is quite a twist. I guess feminism can't fully be supported when there are some women out there that disbelieve it, Even though the troll threat was bad and there should be a better way to get your opinion out besides what she said .you really need to stop glancing at these links and issues we bring up and then post the first thing that comes to your mind. these are complex issues, if you don't want to look stupid, you really need to read the articles thoroughly and more importantly understand the concepts behind them. if you can't do either, its better not to post on the issue. it makes you look ignorant. and you have done this a ton of times.and yeah, its no big twist. theres bad people of both gender on either side
It's more than not reading the article. He's looking at a bad person that happens to be a woman, and concludes "well I guess we should ostracize all women then !"
Iced probably withheld the gender of the troll intentionally so you'd open the article expecting it to something GG related only to be surprised. Smart IMO since it opens peoples' eyes.Flowrellik said, November 18, 2014, 06:24:50 pmwell, this is quite a twist. I guess feminism can't fully be supported when there are some women out there that disbelieve it, Even though the troll threat was bad and there should be a better way to get your opinion out besides what she said .wat
I think public schools can very much demonstrate that a girl can be horrible to another girl. Strangely though, it's more surprising on the internet possibly because the vast majority of users are perceived to be guys.
The fact that the troll is female should just be more evidence to the iron-clad truth that nobody can fucking get along on the internet no matter who they are or what they might have in common.
Pusha 2 said, November 18, 2014, 08:42:15 pmIced probably withheld the gender of the troll intentionally so you'd open the article expecting it to something GG related only to be surprised. Smart IMO since it opens peoples' eyes.Mostly so that upon reading it people could have their pre conceived notions of what a troll is, challenged. But yeah I thought it was more interesting to withold it
Cop out with alcohol instantly. Figures. I think it's incredibly fucked up for someone to say things like that, then to try and tell them you're a good person afterward is even worse. Though they never mentioned what the relation between the two girls prior to meeting was, they're on Twitter but what was the other girl doing to get bullied in the first place? I mean if you're putting up blogs/videos/music or anything like that like most other people you've got to expect some harsh criticism and derogatory comments. I mean look at how bad some celebrities twitters get blown up. I totally understand getting upset over seeing rude comments like that often, but I hardly see how it could make one suicidal, especially when you're putting yourself in the position for people to comment on your stuff.
The main issue I think is that people hope to be judged by the content of their character, not their race, religion, gender, income, education level etc. Feminism deals with one node of that greater goal. I think the spirit of that goal warrants a more complete look at the personalities of both the bully and the person being bullied.It just seems to easy to write the bully off as 'a bad person'. Judged. Done.That label just seems to carry too much weight to me... too black and white. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I think she's totally innocent or anything, she said some fucked up shit.It's just that it's really hard to judge a whole person by a few things they say without knowing the context of their lives.Rather than just writing people off as 'good' or 'bad' people, I think understanding the factors in their lives that lead to this kind of thing and working to resolve those is more in line with the greater intention. Rather than just saying 'bad' and throwing her in a cage for a couple weeks.
GLB said, November 18, 2014, 10:11:10 pmI think it's incredibly fucked up for someone to say things like that, then to try and tell them you're a good person afterward is even worse. Though they never mentioned what the relation between the two girls prior to meeting was, they're on Twitter but what was the other girl doing to get bullied in the first place? I mean if you're putting up blogs/videos/music or anything like that like most other people you've got to expect some harsh criticism and derogatory comments. I mean look at how bad some celebrities twitters get blown up. I totally understand getting upset over seeing rude comments like that often, but I hardly see how it could make one suicidal, especially when you're putting yourself in the position for people to comment on your stuff. common sense... where did it go afterwards?
Jango Hakamichi said, November 19, 2014, 03:28:22 amI'll tell you where it's not.Sick Burn!Someone needs a burn heal afterward!
shouldn't there be i- prison for i- bullies instead of real prison, probably more like being forced out of the internet instead of being sent to real prison?especially if it is only tweetings, it only hurt her feeling, no material or physical damage being done there, if the victim didn't check or simply logged out of her social media accounts for a week, she wouldn't even read or feel it, and if no reply being done, the bully won't keep talking to a wall, so it will simply end, spending 12 weeks in prison you can't log out of that, it is not fair at all. many people take social medias, and their internet persona way too seriously.
If she went to jail, doesn't that mean she has a criminal record? And when you have a criminal record that shit has to go onto your CV right? And that may or may not cause trouble with getting a job.Yeah sending someone to jail for trolling on twitter seems a little much.
12 weeks of jail for trolling on twitter while actual thieves threaten you with a gun on the streets and get a few days (If even more than 1 day, and IF they even get captured to begin with of course) and then get out with just a warning.
This is a clear proof of the G.I.F.T. The bully had an audience and felt no consequences for her acts due to the illusion of anonymity the Internet grants.But yes, prison was really disproportionate, doing some community service would be a better sentence.
I don't know ! Do you get post office prison when you send letters with rape threats ? Do you get paint prison when you paint rape threats on the walls of someone's house ?The kind of threats she made are serious, plus some threats indicated that the trolls knew addresses related to her (maybe not where she lived, but places she went to), so they weren't idle troll jokes ; just because they were made on the Internet doesn't make them any less serious. Communications on the Internet isn't any less real than the real world, and need to be taken just as seriously as any other mean of communication. If you don't get that, you're the one with a problem.
Yeah whether it's via phone, internet, or mail, no excuse to be an antisocial fuck. Jail was more than justified, sentence shoulda been longer imo.-Red- said, November 19, 2014, 11:07:30 am12 weeks of jail for trolling on twitter while actual thieves threaten you with a gun on the streets and get a few days (If even more than 1 day, and IF they even get captured to begin with of course) and then get out with just a warning.Then there the ones who get falsely accused of doing such, get charged with that shit anyway, and wind up serving time for things they didn't do.I love my jury system.
I've seen someone get only a few days in jail and then released for making threats and slashing people's tires. Even though they do it CONSTANTLY, when they should be put in a mental hospital.It happens all the time in small towns where the police are absolutely incompetent. I wouldn't put it past some places to let a robber go after a few days. GodDAMN bless America.
You can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police. A fair comparison would be either to bring the Internet bully to the same police and see what they do, or to bring the tire slasher to the same court that sentenced the bully to prison time.
DKDC said, November 19, 2014, 03:01:11 pmI don't know ! Do you get post office prison when you send letters with rape threats ? Do you get paint prison when you paint rape threats on the walls of someone's house ?don't be stupid, those are idiotic comparisons. getting banned from the internet is a valid argumentthe ones sending rape threats by mails probably never get captured when the mails are sent through postal system, they can just put some stamp and drop it into public mailboxes/ collection points, especially now with printed letter, nobody can detect letter type of the typewriter or handwriting style anymore.the ones spray painting threats on victim's wall or car are punishable for damaging someone else property, trespassing, etc. and through security cameras they can be identified easily. what if the bullies live in another countries, how to physically capture them and then trying to build a multinational cases to put them in prison all that for just cyber bullying? it is unrealistic, being kicked out of that social media or get their google ID marked or terminated is more realistic, and for those who spend their day tweeting each other, it would be punishing enough to be forced to live without internet for sometime.
DKDC said, November 19, 2014, 11:47:51 pmYou can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police.I was responding to TempesT's post.
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:04:24 amgetting banned from the internet is a valid argumentbeing kicked out of that social media or get their google ID marked or terminated is more realisticAhahahahano it's not. It's impossible to enforce. Don't be stupid. People can make more accounts with a different IP if they want to keep bullying. The most you can do is pass the complain to Google or Twitter and see if they're willing to terminate that account (that has been done before, by the way), but that's nowhere close to "banning people from the Internet" and it certainly can't be made into law.ESPECIALLY if different countries are involved - do you even realize what you're saying ? You're suggesting a law which can only be made for ONE given country, and you're expecting that this law will be enforced in different countries, which may not have the same law. That's just retarded, it's like you have no idea how law works.Jesuszilla said, November 20, 2014, 12:18:24 amDKDC said, November 19, 2014, 11:47:51 pmYou can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police.I was responding to TempesT's post.I understand that you're giving examples of people who have done only a couple of days of prison for stuff like that, but I still say it can't be compared, because this isn't the fault of the justice system that says two days for gun threats, 12 weeks for Internet bullying (I'm pretty sure it doesn't), it's the fault of police incompetence. It's unfair to say that there are people who walk after two days of prison for gun threats but Internet bullies get weeks.
so being banned from Guild is not doable or not punishing enough for members who misbehave? what are you thinking? do you think we all live under one law system or we all live in one countrymaybe it won't stop them to create a new user ID, but that primary ID they are known for is blocked, so they would be nobody with a new ID without followers.
You're not making any sense. That can't possibly be made as law, and even it if were, it would be in one country, and absolutely not enforceable if the bully is in another country - or if the service used is based in yet another country. You have no idea how law works. It couldn't apply to a victim in Canada, from a bully in Spain, using a service with a server based in Finland. That's just nonsense. I don't even see what you're trying to do by turning that very argument against me.kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:31:48 ammaybe it won't stop them to create a new user ID, but that primary ID they are known for is blocked, so they would be nobody with a new ID without followers.So now you don't now how the Internet works ? Why are you talking about followers and ID as if it mattered in anonymous threats ? You don't need any of that to send rape threats. If your first account gets banned, just create a new one and send more threats as if nothing happened. It's not fucking rocket science.
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:31:48 amso being banned from Guild is not doable or not punishing enough for members who misbehave? what are you thinking? do you think we all live under one law system or we all live in one country?no he dosen't. that would be stupid, and DKDC is not stupid. i think you're sorta missing his point.
DKDC said, November 20, 2014, 12:34:43 amYou're not making any sense. That can't possibly be made as law, and even it if were, it would be in one country, and absolutely not enforceable if the bully is in another country - or if the service used is based in yet another country. You have no idea how law works. It couldn't apply to a victim in Canada, from a bully in Spain, using a service with a server based in Finland. That's just nonsense. I don't even see what you're trying to do by turning that very argument against me.completely or purposefully missed my point?
"you're banned from the internet" is as doable as "you're banned from using a phone to communicate", or "oh you stabbed someone, you can't use sharp objects anymore". there's no reasonable way to enforce it other than having someone stand next to you 24/7 so you don't do it
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:38:12 amcompletely or purposefully missed my point? YOU are missing the point. You're talking about banning people from the Internet by banning their account. I'm telling you that it's worthless because it doesn't stop anything, and on top of that, there's no way it can be enforced anywhere, especially when the parties involved are in different countries. Your point makes no sense, don't be stupid. "Followers" ? Really ? You have no idea what this whole discussion is about.
"The account" is their internet identity, banning that account would make somebody with lots crowd to be back to square one as nobody. anonymous nobody sending you death threats, do you take it seriously? you live in France probably, I live in Indonesia, do you care if I send you death threats, unless I'm a i-cult leader who has members who follow my ideas or executing my words that live in YOUR country.
Crowd has nothing to do with sending rape threats, it's not always a case of "people are mean when they have anonymity + a crowd to cheer them". Look at the people who mailed knives to others with a note telling them to kill themselves, where's the crowd that made them send that ?By the way there's no such thing as an Internet identity either. People who want to send threats will just create a new one with a different computer, a different ISP, a different IP, and carry on merrily. It IS exactly like people who can simply go to a different mailbox to post a new threat by mail. Or knives.Oh, and BOO fucking HOO I lost all my followers. Again : really ??kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:45:53 amanonymous nobody sending you death threats, do you take it seriously?Still no idea what you're talking about. If a complete stranger on the Internet sends me a threat and shows that he knows my home address and joins a picture of the front of my house, hell yeah I'm taking it seriously regardless of where he lives (which I can't even know because he's anonymous). How many followers that guy has is completely irrelevant. Don't be so fucking stupid.
then he is not internet bully anymore, he is a stalker, and do more serious crime than just internet bullying, come on, let's decide on the boundary of the subject"you stupid pig, here I attach knife.jpg, kill yourself with it. oh BTW I found your address you put on facebook, then I Google Street view your home, feeling my i-threat now???"is different than"yesterday I saw you sitting alone in the park, blah blah, I took a picture of you (your picture sitting in the park).jpg, blah blah"
Sending death threats and rape threats in any communicative medium should result in potential prison time.Internet can be as serious business as any other form of communication. If you can't grasp that then that's just the end I guess.
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 01:03:24 amthen he is not internet bully anymore, he is a stalker, and do more serious crime than just internet bullying, come on, let's decide on the boundary of the subjectWow, welcome to 3 pages ago ! You really haven't followed anything of the discussion and just jumped in saying "Internet trolls don't need 12 weeks of prison". The boundary of the subject was very clear since the very first post of this topic, you're the only one who completely missed it.
3 pages ago doesn't work if you're on the 50-post master race system.Also, if anyone sent me a knife, I'd probably thank them for the nice addition to my collection.
Quote'Go kill yourself', 'Rape?! I'd do a lot worse things than rape you!!' and 'just got out of prison and would happily do more time to see you buried'?"are those words worth 12 weeks prison time, no. no specific threats here, which one is scary enough to be realistically could happen there, where is the photo of the victim being alone or being stalked, where is the address? the bully in this case can just live in Pakistan. to stop such empty bs threat can be done simply by creating a new twitter account.
celebrity, political figure, sport figure etc get these kind of hate mails or tweets everyday, they are just too busy to open them, and paying someone else to manage & delete their mailbox and their fanpage comment box. look at what the victim said, it made her feel SUICIDAL, WTF, is that a normal reaction normal people would feel over a threat? feeling suicidal?if you have borderline personality to begin with, then don't blame other for feeling suicidal.
Jesuszilla said, November 20, 2014, 01:23:27 am3 pages ago doesn't work if you're on the 50-post master race system.god bless
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 01:37:06 amQuote'Go kill yourself', 'Rape?! I'd do a lot worse things than rape you!!' and 'just got out of prison and would happily do more time to see you buried'?"are those words worth 12 weeks prison time, no. Yes.Go and say that to someone in the street, see where that lands you. And no, "it's the Internet" doesn't make it okay, it's not fine just because you're anonymous and you might live on the other side of the planet. If you say something like that, be it face to face, on the phone, on a mail, or over the Internet, you're the one with the problem, not the one you're threatening. There's no reason for anyone NOT to take this seriously just because they can't see your face. For all they know, you live right next to them. Anonymity doesn't make it LESS serious, it actually makes it MORE serious.YOU may know that you live in backwater nowhere, THEY don't, and that's exactly the very reason why it's worse. And also the reason why you think it's less of a problem ! You're the one who knows it doesn't mean anything, so you think it makes you safe. They don't know, and that's why the threat is worse.As for getting depression and suicidal thoughts, try having that said to you countless times every day. Maybe you don't know what that's like either, and you're again talking about things you don't understand.... because you're a fucking idiot.
byakko you're stupid, go kill yourself, do you feel suicidal goodsignedbackwater dwelleryou purposefully mixed up the two cases in the article, to make your own example, purposefully misunderstood my points, you are stupid and dense
Woah, you proved me wrong with a very sensible example totally comparable to a real case. Good job.I do notice that you didn't dare actually say "I'll murder you". Do you feel uneasy saying something like that, even when it's obvious you don't mean it and can never possibly do it ? How come ??
neither the bully, she never told the victim that she is going to kill hershe said "worse thing than rape" what is that? "i-rape?" "tweet-rape?" "murder?" is that worth 3 monbths in prison then your prison would be full with YOUTUBERS
Quote 'Rape?! I'd do a lot worse things than rape you!!' and 'just got out of prison and would happily do more time to see you buried'Oh, okay.
Just No Point said, November 20, 2014, 01:21:21 amSending death threats and rape threats in any communicative medium should result in potential prison time.Should Alexlexus be brought to a judge?
If you had wanted you could have gone to the cops, yes. Get the feds involved and etc.I dunno why people assume that just because a threat is pathetic it cant be reported. If a neighbour of yours walks up to you and threatens to kill you while pissing himself you can still go to the cops and report him.Just because you personally wouldnt do it ( due to considering the threat pathetic) it doesnt mean everyone has got to take them as being purely hot air.
I think most people would consider a threat from someone who knows where they live (and who has the chance to spy on them and learn their daily routine easily) a lot more seriously than a complete *internet* stranger's angry rambling. -
It is an unpleasant behavior, when they are caught the judge should force them to attend a weekly group meeting with a psychologist for the next six months to correct their view and behavior or so, and on top to that few weeks of community service cleaning up public toilet or something. Prison is a correctional institution, but not the only institution around, it is wrong to see that with different dosage (jail/ prison time) it could mend all diseases of the society.
Rajaa said, November 20, 2014, 03:18:15 pmJust No Point said, November 20, 2014, 01:21:21 amSending death threats and rape threats in any communicative medium should result in potential prison time.Should Alexlexus be brought to a judge?go your with your bitch... fucking alladin motherfucker.
