shouldn't there be i- prison for i- bullies instead of real prison, probably more like being forced out of the internet instead of being sent to real prison?especially if it is only tweetings, it only hurt her feeling, no material or physical damage being done there, if the victim didn't check or simply logged out of her social media accounts for a week, she wouldn't even read or feel it, and if no reply being done, the bully won't keep talking to a wall, so it will simply end, spending 12 weeks in prison you can't log out of that, it is not fair at all. many people take social medias, and their internet persona way too seriously.
If she went to jail, doesn't that mean she has a criminal record? And when you have a criminal record that shit has to go onto your CV right? And that may or may not cause trouble with getting a job.Yeah sending someone to jail for trolling on twitter seems a little much.
12 weeks of jail for trolling on twitter while actual thieves threaten you with a gun on the streets and get a few days (If even more than 1 day, and IF they even get captured to begin with of course) and then get out with just a warning.
This is a clear proof of the G.I.F.T. The bully had an audience and felt no consequences for her acts due to the illusion of anonymity the Internet grants.But yes, prison was really disproportionate, doing some community service would be a better sentence.
I don't know ! Do you get post office prison when you send letters with rape threats ? Do you get paint prison when you paint rape threats on the walls of someone's house ?The kind of threats she made are serious, plus some threats indicated that the trolls knew addresses related to her (maybe not where she lived, but places she went to), so they weren't idle troll jokes ; just because they were made on the Internet doesn't make them any less serious. Communications on the Internet isn't any less real than the real world, and need to be taken just as seriously as any other mean of communication. If you don't get that, you're the one with a problem.
Yeah whether it's via phone, internet, or mail, no excuse to be an antisocial fuck. Jail was more than justified, sentence shoulda been longer imo.-Red- said, November 19, 2014, 11:07:30 am12 weeks of jail for trolling on twitter while actual thieves threaten you with a gun on the streets and get a few days (If even more than 1 day, and IF they even get captured to begin with of course) and then get out with just a warning.Then there the ones who get falsely accused of doing such, get charged with that shit anyway, and wind up serving time for things they didn't do.I love my jury system.
I've seen someone get only a few days in jail and then released for making threats and slashing people's tires. Even though they do it CONSTANTLY, when they should be put in a mental hospital.It happens all the time in small towns where the police are absolutely incompetent. I wouldn't put it past some places to let a robber go after a few days. GodDAMN bless America.
You can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police. A fair comparison would be either to bring the Internet bully to the same police and see what they do, or to bring the tire slasher to the same court that sentenced the bully to prison time.
DKDC said, November 19, 2014, 03:01:11 pmI don't know ! Do you get post office prison when you send letters with rape threats ? Do you get paint prison when you paint rape threats on the walls of someone's house ?don't be stupid, those are idiotic comparisons. getting banned from the internet is a valid argumentthe ones sending rape threats by mails probably never get captured when the mails are sent through postal system, they can just put some stamp and drop it into public mailboxes/ collection points, especially now with printed letter, nobody can detect letter type of the typewriter or handwriting style anymore.the ones spray painting threats on victim's wall or car are punishable for damaging someone else property, trespassing, etc. and through security cameras they can be identified easily. what if the bullies live in another countries, how to physically capture them and then trying to build a multinational cases to put them in prison all that for just cyber bullying? it is unrealistic, being kicked out of that social media or get their google ID marked or terminated is more realistic, and for those who spend their day tweeting each other, it would be punishing enough to be forced to live without internet for sometime.
DKDC said, November 19, 2014, 11:47:51 pmYou can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police.I was responding to TempesT's post.
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:04:24 amgetting banned from the internet is a valid argumentbeing kicked out of that social media or get their google ID marked or terminated is more realisticAhahahahano it's not. It's impossible to enforce. Don't be stupid. People can make more accounts with a different IP if they want to keep bullying. The most you can do is pass the complain to Google or Twitter and see if they're willing to terminate that account (that has been done before, by the way), but that's nowhere close to "banning people from the Internet" and it certainly can't be made into law.ESPECIALLY if different countries are involved - do you even realize what you're saying ? You're suggesting a law which can only be made for ONE given country, and you're expecting that this law will be enforced in different countries, which may not have the same law. That's just retarded, it's like you have no idea how law works.Jesuszilla said, November 20, 2014, 12:18:24 amDKDC said, November 19, 2014, 11:47:51 pmYou can't really compare something like this and a backwater town's incompetence police.I was responding to TempesT's post.I understand that you're giving examples of people who have done only a couple of days of prison for stuff like that, but I still say it can't be compared, because this isn't the fault of the justice system that says two days for gun threats, 12 weeks for Internet bullying (I'm pretty sure it doesn't), it's the fault of police incompetence. It's unfair to say that there are people who walk after two days of prison for gun threats but Internet bullies get weeks.
so being banned from Guild is not doable or not punishing enough for members who misbehave? what are you thinking? do you think we all live under one law system or we all live in one countrymaybe it won't stop them to create a new user ID, but that primary ID they are known for is blocked, so they would be nobody with a new ID without followers.
You're not making any sense. That can't possibly be made as law, and even it if were, it would be in one country, and absolutely not enforceable if the bully is in another country - or if the service used is based in yet another country. You have no idea how law works. It couldn't apply to a victim in Canada, from a bully in Spain, using a service with a server based in Finland. That's just nonsense. I don't even see what you're trying to do by turning that very argument against me.kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:31:48 ammaybe it won't stop them to create a new user ID, but that primary ID they are known for is blocked, so they would be nobody with a new ID without followers.So now you don't now how the Internet works ? Why are you talking about followers and ID as if it mattered in anonymous threats ? You don't need any of that to send rape threats. If your first account gets banned, just create a new one and send more threats as if nothing happened. It's not fucking rocket science.
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:31:48 amso being banned from Guild is not doable or not punishing enough for members who misbehave? what are you thinking? do you think we all live under one law system or we all live in one country?no he dosen't. that would be stupid, and DKDC is not stupid. i think you're sorta missing his point.
DKDC said, November 20, 2014, 12:34:43 amYou're not making any sense. That can't possibly be made as law, and even it if were, it would be in one country, and absolutely not enforceable if the bully is in another country - or if the service used is based in yet another country. You have no idea how law works. It couldn't apply to a victim in Canada, from a bully in Spain, using a service with a server based in Finland. That's just nonsense. I don't even see what you're trying to do by turning that very argument against me.completely or purposefully missed my point?
"you're banned from the internet" is as doable as "you're banned from using a phone to communicate", or "oh you stabbed someone, you can't use sharp objects anymore". there's no reasonable way to enforce it other than having someone stand next to you 24/7 so you don't do it
kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:38:12 amcompletely or purposefully missed my point? YOU are missing the point. You're talking about banning people from the Internet by banning their account. I'm telling you that it's worthless because it doesn't stop anything, and on top of that, there's no way it can be enforced anywhere, especially when the parties involved are in different countries. Your point makes no sense, don't be stupid. "Followers" ? Really ? You have no idea what this whole discussion is about.
"The account" is their internet identity, banning that account would make somebody with lots crowd to be back to square one as nobody. anonymous nobody sending you death threats, do you take it seriously? you live in France probably, I live in Indonesia, do you care if I send you death threats, unless I'm a i-cult leader who has members who follow my ideas or executing my words that live in YOUR country.
Crowd has nothing to do with sending rape threats, it's not always a case of "people are mean when they have anonymity + a crowd to cheer them". Look at the people who mailed knives to others with a note telling them to kill themselves, where's the crowd that made them send that ?By the way there's no such thing as an Internet identity either. People who want to send threats will just create a new one with a different computer, a different ISP, a different IP, and carry on merrily. It IS exactly like people who can simply go to a different mailbox to post a new threat by mail. Or knives.Oh, and BOO fucking HOO I lost all my followers. Again : really ??kakkoii superhero said, November 20, 2014, 12:45:53 amanonymous nobody sending you death threats, do you take it seriously?Still no idea what you're talking about. If a complete stranger on the Internet sends me a threat and shows that he knows my home address and joins a picture of the front of my house, hell yeah I'm taking it seriously regardless of where he lives (which I can't even know because he's anonymous). How many followers that guy has is completely irrelevant. Don't be so fucking stupid.
