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Started by Shadow, November 27, 2007, 05:08:00 pm
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Re: Reu, what he started, but won't finish...
#41  November 28, 2007, 04:11:56 am
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i believe the best way of honoring reu would be by working on something original, but above all, actually enjoying mugen like he did.

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#42  November 28, 2007, 04:18:46 am
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....naaahh. :baby:


Well, I'm sure he's looking down on us and laughing about this right now in a slightly belitteling but in no way disrespective way... "oh, those guys." ^_^

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#43  November 28, 2007, 04:39:30 am
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I actualy thought this was from his forum even the screenshot.  :S

And of course we all knew about Samus being made.

Discussing about his art and creations shouldn't be a bad thing.

Just some toke a few steps past the border then should of been.

Fun to imagine what could of been.

Now making some to honor him would be fun to see from the more creative artist around the MUGEN community.

Karasawa

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#44  November 28, 2007, 05:25:02 am
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With all due respect, we (everyone but Reu) should leave his works (and works in progress) alone. If they're his works alone, they should stay that way.

It's courtesy, not posterity.

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#45  November 28, 2007, 05:27:29 am
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I guess I won't upload that song then. Whatever. At least the arguing got snuffed out.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


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If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

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#46  November 28, 2007, 07:36:18 am
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Iced said, November 28, 2007, 01:33:11 am
I said, create a project as a community...

Project management would be a great undertaking in itself for something like that.
I'd hate to manage a workflow like that.

As a side note, I am interested in learning the rigging-techniques he used to maintain the axis that he used.
Titiln said, December 31, 2007, 10:46:10 pm
i think we should call it an "engine" so we don't look like total idiots because otherwise we'd be arguing about a "game" and that would be somehow "dumber" than arguing about an "engine" on the "internet" for countless hours

Beatrice said, March 01, 2010, 06:55:03 pm
Iced said:
I for one, do not enjoy round corners!  :bigcry:
But they hurt much less when we accidentally hit them!  :S

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#47  November 28, 2007, 09:52:28 am
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Okay, two people mention "finishing his project" in the first page, then two pages full of people saying "no, don't", and it's immediately labelled drama and disrespect and what do you have.

Argument ? I see none. In the last two pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.
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#48  November 28, 2007, 11:45:38 am
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nick09 said, November 28, 2007, 12:17:06 am
UrBaN_PrInCe said, November 27, 2007, 11:35:52 pm
mugen nub said, November 27, 2007, 11:32:57 pm
the things he planned were truly amazing. while i am new to mugen and its community, its not hard to see what Reu tried and succeeded in. he truly pushed the engine to the limits, with actual 3D models like that.

I totally agree with that...He put alot of effort into his Character's and his Music.. :)
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um i think you shoule fix your sig says: R.I.P. Reuben Kee:1984-2207

he is not really over 200 years old lol.


Sorry that was my stupid little brother..seriously!.. ;D

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#49  November 28, 2007, 02:07:57 pm
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Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but I honestly feel that anyone that decides to finish Reu's project would only be doing so to gain recognition in the community. It just doesn't seem right. Reu's (recent) work was his and his alone, and no one should have the right to gain fame from a dead guy's work. Period.

Add the fact that both DragonClaw and Project2 are original works, and IIRC, even the new rules of this forum should prevent them from being altered and re-released, shouldn't they?

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#50  November 28, 2007, 02:39:10 pm
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I'm thankfull you Shadow to show us what Reu was capable of. It's tuly shame he didn't finish that. It's should remain how it is. His works should stay untouched. 
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#51  November 28, 2007, 02:50:56 pm
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#52  November 28, 2007, 04:05:26 pm
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not everything that is shown/ you are able to see is open for requesting works to be finished...consider this thread as a hidden gallery that got revealed, none should finish his works, only him was the one to have a plan and ideas on how to make those chars, even those chars wouldn't like to end up differently from what was intended , respect the guy and admire what were his last unfinished works without saying if only they were finished..., AND try to remember him for what he was as a human, not as a roxchars factory

and trying to prove points (also called arguing) for self's honor/desires/whatever here is so disrespectful

also what is said about the exception in rules for his works is right
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#53  November 28, 2007, 04:10:42 pm
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OrochiWeapon2000 said, November 28, 2007, 02:07:57 pm
Forgive me for speaking out of turn, but I honestly feel that anyone that decides to finish Reu's project would only be doing so to gain recognition in the community. It just doesn't seem right. Reu's (recent) work was his and his alone, and no one should have the right to gain fame from a dead guy's work. Period.

Great. I'm glad we finally established that. :rugoi:

Anyone else want to paraphrase that, for the tenth time? Feel free to.

Karasawa

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#54  November 28, 2007, 04:21:35 pm
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Valodim, I think the title of the thread threw a lot of us off. I know that it was meant to simply showcase the creator's works that are unfinished. However, regardless of what this thread is for, there are some that wish to finish what he started. That is why I posted what I did. I don't think it was inappropriate, but sorry if that's what was inferred.
Last Edit: November 28, 2007, 04:28:29 pm by Karasawa

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#55  November 28, 2007, 06:24:41 pm
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Karasawa said, November 28, 2007, 04:21:35 pm
Valodim, I think the title of the thread threw a lot of us off. I know that it was meant to simply showcase the creator's works that are unfinished. However, regardless of what this thread is for, there are some that wish to finish what he started. That is why I posted what I did. I don't think it was inappropriate, but sorry if that's what was inferred.

And it should come to a close as well.

As it was said earlier, the thread was mistaken for something else instead of its intended purpose, to my understanding it was to reveal what Reu had in store for Mugen, thats all. Now we have an endless argument of people stressing their points just to get the final word.

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#56  November 28, 2007, 06:46:44 pm
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OrochiWeapon2000 said, November 28, 2007, 02:07:57 pm
Add the fact that both DragonClaw and Project2 are original works, and IIRC, even the new rules of this forum should prevent them from being altered and re-released, shouldn't they?

Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.

Tsar

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#57  November 28, 2007, 07:07:16 pm
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Just No Point said, November 28, 2007, 03:11:11 am
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Sounds like Reu was once again going to outdo himself. I would have loved to try out P2 and Samus, I am sure they would have been more of a breakthrough than his other works.

Agreed. I also think P2 and Samus would have been a lot more balanced than his other works. All of the corny "cheap characters get pwned!!1" videos and the hardcore criticisms are definetely good fuel for improvement. Indeed it looks like Reu was going to outdo himself.  :)

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#58  November 28, 2007, 08:59:20 pm
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Baiken said, November 28, 2007, 09:52:28 am
Okay, two people mention "finishing his project" in the first page, then two pages full of people saying "no, don't", and it's immediately labelled drama and disrespect and what do you have.

Argument ? I see none. In the last two pages, everyone seemed to agree with each other. Just that some find it funny to tell people to chill.

If I were to die I WOULD want someone to finish my WIP character.  Then in the readme just make mention to me and say thanks.   But that's just my opinion.  ;D  Everyone has a different opinion.  His current project looked awesome.
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#59  November 28, 2007, 09:17:44 pm
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Wujizah-Manof Panzermanathod said, November 28, 2007, 06:46:44 pm
Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.
Even without the rules, I feel that it's just wrong to take a dead man's incomplete original work, alter it without his permission, and then release it if you weren't helping him with it since the very beginning. I'm not debating whether you or anyone else had plans on doing just that, but just stating my feelings on the matter. That would almost be like indirectly grave-robbing the guy.

Also, my mention of the rules was more of a question than anything, but if the rules did in fact state that 100% original works couldn't be altered, then why ignore them and do it anyway? Would that not be disrespectful to both Reu and the moderators of this forum?

Wujizah-Manof Panzermanathod said, November 28, 2007, 06:46:44 pm
Leave the rules out of it.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but do you mean to say that the rules shouldn't apply to you or anyone else in this case? The rules should be taken into consideration at all times, and I believe this to be especially true in this case.

And Val, with all due respect, that's just my opinion on the whole matter. Reu's name shouldn't be used to start someone else's "legacy". It shouldn't take for it to be said 10 times to get that point across.

In all honesty, I would have loved to see his new stuff too, but if he's no longer here to complete his own work, then no one else should attempt to do so while using the excuse "it's what he would've wanted". Unless he left behind a will CLEARLY stating otherwise, that's just bullshit.

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#60  November 28, 2007, 09:46:06 pm
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OrochiWeapon2000 said, November 28, 2007, 09:17:44 pm
Wujizah-Manof Panzermanathod said, November 28, 2007, 06:46:44 pm
Leave the rules out of it. Even if I was fully able to, I wouldn't finish his works, and the rules would have nothing to do with that.

What I'm saying is that if you want to go by your morals, don't fall back on "also, because other people said so..." as well.
Even without the rules, I feel that it's just wrong to take a dead man's incomplete original work, alter it without his permission, and then release it if you weren't helping him with it since the very beginning.

That's *exactly* the point I was trying to make. "You" feel that it's wrong. I feel like that as well, pretty much. All I'm saying is that if you're going to talk about your morals and opinion on this situation, it's not necessary to bring about "rules" into this.

I'm not saying that rules don't apply to me, I'm saying that rules shouldn't apply to the matter at hand, only morals. It gets a bit impersonal when rules are brought in, at least in my own opinion.

It's like breaking into someone's house and stealing. I wouldn't do that because I believe it's wrong. Knowing it's illegal has very little bearing to my decision.

Forgive me if I came across as rude.
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Imagine a zanguief runing to attack ryu, ryu does a quick+kind of weak fast punch and hit the chest of zanguief, will this punch be enough to zanguief say/think \"oh no, this punch hurted a little, I better stop the attack and put my hand on my chest to help contain the pain while ignoring if ryu is going to make other attacks now"


Cenobite 53 said:
If someone isn't able to get girls laid, why buying this exorcist needing piece of retardet piece of bullshit an not wisiting his local red light district. For that money he could  :hump: tons of hookers.
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