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Started by Sepp, March 12, 2006, 12:40:14 am
Sepp resigns from administration (2006)
New #1  March 12, 2006, 12:40:14 am
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I have been a fool. Ten months and behold, I've come full circle back to where I left Guild adminship behind.

This

I would probably have to start my own Forum (which I don't at all feel like doing, worry not).

,if anything, might have been the wiser thing to do in retrospect.

What I'm doing here isn't working, and will not. Not really. Ever since Thursday, I have also . . . maybe lost or gained something, or noticed a change in me. It somehow began while reading this post.

So I'm resigning. I can be of much more use doing something else. You know about the millenia-old concept of not teaching/preaching unless asked to? What's more, if that was my very best and I held nothing back, good riddance.

I can at least hold one thing and not delete the forum.
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#2  March 12, 2006, 01:05:17 am
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[insert sarcasm here]

[death wish here]

[declaration of sarcasm in previous paragraph here]

[more sarcasm]
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#3  March 12, 2006, 01:18:04 am
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Was that sarcasm?
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#4  March 12, 2006, 01:21:12 am
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What about that particular post made you change your views, or lose something?

That type of post is quite common. Unless that in of itself was part of the issue.
I have to admit when Loona 1st suggested you as admin I was leary. But you did a very good job in my opinion.

Having a good balance of experience in development and a level head is a rarity.

Do you happen to have anyone in mind to fill your spot? There are not many people that won't be dictated by groups.

People I think would do a good job are Winane who constantly refuses the position >:(
POTS whom I also doubt would want THAT much responsibility in the forum... and um Other people that don't hang around any irc mugen rooms =P
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#6  March 12, 2006, 08:21:21 am
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Sepp, would you be kind enough to provide a CliffsNotes version of your reasons for quitting?

I can be of much more use doing something else.
Anything in particular in mind?

You know about the millenia-old concept of not teaching/preaching unless asked to?
Sepp, please teach/preach.  ;P

FYI:  I was gone for six months of your tenure, and quit bothering to read many of the huge debate threads around here even well before my hiatus, so my opinion isn't fully informed.  But, from what little I have seen, in my personal opinion, you've been pretty much the best forum admin (not considering the technical side) I've yet seen.  So, thanks for helping to keep this place going and somewhat healthy.  Much appreciated.

Hm.  Perhaps your decision is evidence to the contrary, but prior to reading this thread, it had seemed to me that your approach to forum administrating is likely the only psychologically sustainable one, at least for the kinds of people I'd want in charge of a forum.  Disagree?
Still quite busy.

(Yes, I intend to deal with that stuff eventually, but kinda can't just yet, sorry. :/ )
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As much as I would like to take the reins even for a while, I'm in the same fix as Sepp and Xgarg is. College will be sure to take a large chunk of my time, apart from other things irl.

However, I can be reliable in terms of enforcement.

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#8  March 12, 2006, 11:47:43 am
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Ehhhhh.... Humm...
Well, no comment.
And yes that's a comment on it's own.
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#10  March 12, 2006, 09:00:21 pm
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I disagree with most of the post that caused this decision.

Stating my views on the subject got me in trouble 1.5 years ago ...
... but I think the whole situation has cause more trouble in itself.
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#11  March 13, 2006, 03:29:56 am
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What about that particular post made you change your views, or lose something?
i ask the same question

what kfm mentioned is pretty much a given by now and can't be changed, but it's not like it's your fault/responsibility
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#12  March 17, 2006, 05:53:35 pm
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Not even gona help around as a GM anymore Sepp? :'(
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#13  March 17, 2006, 05:56:24 pm
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And so, we're back to where we were months ago.

Who's gonna be admin along Val ? :-\
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I guess he doesn't really NEED another admin to help him.

Val can implement things the staff and special members mention or decide on, and everything is pretty much under control as far as Guild's stance on certain things. Usually stuff like that is brought up for the Mugen Creator's to decide anyway like with blacklisting certain sites etc.

The forum is pretty self sufficient at the moment.
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Problem is that this may change :P
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#16  March 17, 2006, 06:26:18 pm
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when the time comes you'll know what to do ;)

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You need one, I can try to fill in the shoes. Of course, irl things can get in the way, but I care for this place too.

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#18  March 17, 2006, 07:00:22 pm
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here is someone who may be able to fill the position. No need to provide evidences of my experience on this job
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#19  March 17, 2006, 07:01:07 pm
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the question is ... are you ready/available?
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I say XGargoyle.

Or Jared!
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#21  March 18, 2006, 01:39:52 am
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Winane's long overdue for some actual staff service... =P

Possible alternatives if it comes to that: PotS or Cadicle.
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#22  March 18, 2006, 02:17:50 am
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The almighty poll can settle this!
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#23  March 18, 2006, 02:27:26 am
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The almighty poll can settle this!
How about an American Idol style competition? I already got a few songs picked out. ;)

or how about

5. SIGN THIS PETITION TO MAKE SEPP COME OUT OF ADMIN ABSENCE AND FORCE HIM TO MAKE CHARACTERS AND BE ADMIN FOR US.

In all seriousness, either leaving it up to Valodim(He is very qualified to handle things by himself, in my opinion, though he might not want to :P), or a poll would actually be nice. A staff only poll, because an open poll would just be a popularity contest. Though popularity would certainly be a factor in a staff poll, qualifications are more in the minds of the staff than of the rest of the Mugen Guild.
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#24  March 18, 2006, 02:29:29 am
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Messatsu for Admahn
Episode II

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#25  March 18, 2006, 02:38:59 am
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#26  March 18, 2006, 04:30:48 am
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Caddie or Tony3rd, for some reason I forgot about Tony. He keeps a kinda low profile, another reason to run for admin ^^

But then again Caddie being admin may be good just to see the Mugen Infantry reaction :hah:
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#28  March 18, 2006, 05:09:51 am
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*removes PotS from candidate list*  :'( So much for P.o.t.S becoming A.o.t.G. =P

Caddie or Tony3rd, for some reason I forgot about Tony. He keeps a kinda low profile, another reason to run for admin ^^

I don't see him actively running for it, but I'm curious as to his reaction if he were invited - but then again, I do tend to distrust most who actively seek these sorts of functions...
His enforcement of the rules on his section regardless of user seniority is a strong point in his favor IMO, and I do recall him justifying that quite reasonably, as opposed to doing it in a blind obssessive manner, which has been a problem with quite a few people in quite a few places before.

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But then again Caddie being admin may be good just to see the Mugen Infantry reaction :hah:

To hell with the drama - Caddie has some considerable community seniority by now and some fair variety of experiences in it that should make him balanced enough for the job IMO.
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#29  March 18, 2006, 05:11:34 am
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Long live teh Cad :sugoi:
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Well, get it done and whisk cad to the driver seat. NOW.

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#31  March 18, 2006, 06:31:56 am
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What's the urgency?  ???

Also, why not admiknight BlackJack, so that he can fix some things himself instead of pelting Val with a steady spray of requests?  :tongue2:
Still quite busy.

(Yes, I intend to deal with that stuff eventually, but kinda can't just yet, sorry. :/ )
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#32  March 18, 2006, 06:48:35 am
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Well, just so that you guys stop arguing and get something done. ;) If I don't get admin, that's not a big deal. What I want to happen though is that this joint gets the right management.

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#33  March 18, 2006, 09:29:31 am
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I wouldn't mind Herman as Admahn either.
Let's vote :sugoi:
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#34  March 18, 2006, 02:24:21 pm
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Straight to the point: Val alone won't do. From those that crossed my mind, I see only BlackJack or XG (well, or KFM) as candidates that are actually to be taken into consideration.

BlackJack.

About Pots? Kick him so he can slave on his characters and give Vinny something to do instead.


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Blade of Tyshalle said:
“I know that many are without weapons, and more are without armor. Many—perhaps most—of you do not call yourselves warriors.
        “But as Caine has said: There is fighting, and there is fighting.
        “By this he means: It is not demanded of each of you to take up a sword and slay. That is the task for warriors. Some may bind wounds, and comfort the injured. That is the task for healers. Some may cook food and carry water. Some may leave here this night, and never look behind.
        “Let each of us fight in our own way, according to our own gifts. A cook who pretends to be a warrior endangers his comrades; a warrior who pretends to be a cook ruins food we need for the strength to fight on."



Ya, still have public announcement to post and reply to the rest of the topic.
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#35  March 18, 2006, 02:30:07 pm
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Meh. That was fast. XGarg or KFM being admin sounds good.

But MREV pwning me? Ahaha, no. :P

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#36  March 18, 2006, 03:33:50 pm
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KFM?  No:
1.  He's already got a forum to admin.  =P
2.  He's already got way too many other things to do as well.  =P
3.  He's not neeeaaarrly level-headed enough, in my opinion.  I'm guessing he'll have a heart attack before age 50.  ;P

Herman?  Nah.  Uses too much made-up overinflated terminology.  XD

BJ?  As mentioned, he's got my vote.  He's already a GM, anyway.

Me?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Perhaps being admin would be good practice for learning how to delegate work and authority.  A useful life skill.

This would be pretty bad timing for me.  I couldn't guarantee I'd keep the position for very long.
But I'm curious.
I think I can pretty well promise I wouldn't cause any significant harm (as least as I'd define it XD ) through my actions, though perhaps I would through inaction.

Would the forum staff be willing to humor my unwillingness to read through long threads and rants myself, and provide CliffsNotes summaries plus recommendations when they arise?  I'd also need to be given some insight on what goes on in IRC, as I have no desire to so much as install a client for that.  :P

If it's acceptable to most of you...  I'd be kinda inclined to have an admin team of Val/BJ/Winane (and Sepp :P).  Accompanied by a general understanding that our opinions still wouldn't really be counted (much) more than the rest of the staff/special edmembers, and a general understanding that we'd have only marginally greater responsibility to bear.


Though I still think the guy who named himself after a brilliant Star Wars strategist (and a Nazi general, or is that just a coincidence? XD ), in his heart of hearts, really still wants to be admin, but just doesn't currently realize it.  =)



To post this, or not to post this...

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Still quite busy.

(Yes, I intend to deal with that stuff eventually, but kinda can't just yet, sorry. :/ )
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#37  March 18, 2006, 05:07:22 pm
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Oh I hate you. >)

The reset bit in the log was no joke. If I would do forum stuff, then on a new forum. Or this one really reset. >_< No post counter, no lists, no warning systems, mainly adminmods, just mugen, whatever else comes to mind. Because fresh start would give an oppurtunity to actually have whatever I wanna have structurally without pissing everyone off as much, and then we'll still have to worry about the people, but can concentrate on the important things. But I won't spend as much time here on this current forum state. And of course I think Winane would be wasted on a not-restarted forum too, hence his absence from my considerations.



My free time under the week has shrunk considerably so that I don't even really wanna pursue this idea, because even that might, well not necessarily take too much time, but I'd spend too much time on it regardless. But it would be the best solution, haha!!!

That's basically what I mean when I say I've been a fool. I should have done that ten months ago, and listened to myself more closely. Not that I feel it was all wasted.

It's maybe less of a giving up and more of a moving on thing. Though that's maybe the same and depends on from where you're seeing it from. Thinking about it kind of from a distance, "Oh, silly me. I should have done that. Hm. Or do it now. Well. No. Disengage, disengage, disengage. Ok, chapter closed, moving on." I'm not terribly crushed and void of hope now and lost all my ideals.

And yes, I'm verrrry aware of the, "Well, really great dude. If everyone did that, no wonder . . ."

Was the main thing that kept me coming back. At least if I try to give my best and still go nowhere far, well that's still better than not trying. But that's currently gone and changed!


Just about anything is more useful than spending most of my free time reading forums. And I will likely continue to do that enough even without officially administrating stuff. Hey then I might as well -- ahaha. Nope.
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#38  March 18, 2006, 05:13:33 pm
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Herman?  Nah.  Uses too much made-up overinflated terminology.  XD

Haha.

Well, while I may have had a pretty infamous name in the dev days, I can still be a driving force in the operations in here. For one, charisma to the people, and two, experience. Admittingly, judgement and desicion-making is one of my problems, but keeping the peace and watchdog-ism for lamers and trolls are my stengths. However, if the place needs changes and new ideas, I may not be able to deliver the expected goods.

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Our thoughts should flow unhindered and beyond "this place" and "that place" anyway.

Neither this nor that place are important, this is the Internet, the Bene Gesserit teaching of "Humans live best when each has his place to stand, when each knows where he belongs in the scheme of things and what they may achieve. Destroy the place and you destroy the person." applies not so much.
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Time for some XG4Admin's Q&A:

Q - Who the fuck are you?
A - I just happen to be the most veteran member (with Herman's exception) who has access to this area and I am also a guy who has knowledge about the engine and the community in general.

Q - But I don't like you...
A - And chances are that I don't like you either, but that's ok. We're a team of different people with their own point of views, and thanks to this the forum could be a perfect democracy. If everybody agreed on the same point of view, this would be a tiranny.

And to tell you the truth, I prefer people being sincere and if you don't like me, feel free to state it. I don't like people who act as a buddy in front of a certain person, and then behind the lines, backstab him/her.

Q - Hey, weren't you an admin at DEV?
A - And so was Sepp and it wasn't a stopper for him to become one of the best admins this forum have ever had.

Q - But you've been away from the scene during the last year...
A - And so have been other possible candidates, and yet no one has complained about it.

This absence has allowed me to be an spectator and analyse the current problems affecting the scene, thus I've been setting a path forward strategy that I hope will be useful for the future of this community.

Q - What is this strategy you're talking about?
A - Magicians never reveal their tricks.

Q - Then why are you running for admin in MFG?
A - Because I believe it's the right thing to do at this time.

Q - How can I be sure you won't go berserk and dump the whole forum?
A - Because in all my previous years of administrator and moderator in other forums, I've never done it. Why would I be different this time?

Q - Weren't you the guy who used to ban at first sight?
A - No, that was Rabite. Blame him if you were one of these guys who had the bad luck to be kicked out of DEV.

Q - But I've seen you actually banning people here in MFG...
A - Indeed, 3 guys (Hoshi, Fuchikoma and another one who I cannot remember now) were temporarily banned (as there was no mute feature then) and who got unbanned shortly after.

Yet, I'm still being flamed for this preventive action and seems that people still wants to remind me everytime this.

Q - I still don't want you here...
A - Sigh... BBH was given a second chance after being caught stealing. Many people who has been caught stealing have been given a second chance too. ZantetsuMug, Legato and other guys have also been given a second chance. Why can't I be given a second chance as well?  Isn't a big hypocrisy to allow other people have second chances, yet I'm not allowed to them?

Q - How do I know you will be a good admin?
A - Because I have proven experience in the community. I've been an administrator at MugenDEV, MugenHispania and Emumania. I've also been a moderator at MFG, RandomSelect, Hispamugen, Speksnk, Emuspot and several other forums I can no longer remember.

Q - How can I be sure you won't be a dictator?
A - Because this is a job, and as a professional, I must adhere to the house rules, even if I don't like them or are against my beliefs. If you're a policeman and your friend has commited a crime, would you do your job or just ignore it? I would always do my job.

Q - Won't you make up your own rules?
A - I won't be making up rules for my own. I do expect all the staff (including me) will make them, and before publishing them, at least the majority of the staff will agree with the new rules.

Q - Will you make any change to the curent staff? Bring new one or remove the current one?
A - No. All of you guys are special in some way, and that's the reason why you're here. I expect people being enough mature to realize when they are no longer needed or unable to do their job. In a similar way, I expect you will be enough mature to be able to suggest posible candidates.


Q - Why did you write this Q&A?
A - Because I am bored and have enough free time to do it.
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#41  March 19, 2006, 02:03:08 am
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Winane, let's face it: you need mIRC to have a high level post here. There's just too much that goes on in there sometimes to explain propperly with a log :P

actually, not idling in #mugen would provide a much better mental environment for unbiased opinions about stuff.

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Isn't a big hypocrisy to allow other people have second chances, yet I'm not allowed to them?

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I prefer Sepp's redo the forum idea and have Winane assist.

If not possible Winane + BJ + Valodim.

BTW if the redo idea goes underway I will offer any and all assistance since I waste too much time on here anyway.

EDIT: Even if it means making everyone re sign up to the forum.
If we need backup database space to help the redo I offer database space at NWM and any NWM resources needed.

And if Val is hesitant I offer a bribe in another donation ^^
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#43  March 19, 2006, 02:10:14 am
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just for the log, "no lists" sounds good to me. :P
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Something about BJ as admin gives me the feeling, that he will start doing some mass-moving of topics and editing of profiles without notification.
Which will lead to his 'act first, explain oneself later' decision making.
I vote for Caddie, if no poll is posted.

He pretty much explains every action he does, and acts accordingly.
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#45  March 19, 2006, 02:22:50 am
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in short ^ +1
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#46  March 19, 2006, 05:20:14 am
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I too am in favor of dropping lists, and prefer that forum matters be handled in the forum (even in in my admin days I'd drop by #mugen once or twice to check on some info - usually because of the damn lists and what they implied).

Q - But I don't like you...
A - And chances are that I don't like you either, but that's ok. We're a team of different people with their own point of views, and thanks to this the forum could be a perfect democracy. If everybody agreed on the same point of view, this would be a tiranny.

Democracy: everyone gets a vote, and every vote counts in the same way.

Tyranny: only one person gets a say in how things will be done, even if everybody else disagrees with him (otherwise he wouldn't be thought of as a tyrant).

Unanimity: when everyone agrees on the same thing - quite different from tyranny, despite getting confused with it above; never happens in the Mugen world, although it may have its moments in the limited environment of #mugen.

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Q - What is this strategy you're talking about?
A - Magicians never reveal their tricks.

Most magicians are entertainers, and while Mugen may be a hobby, administrating a forum about it like this one is more of a responsability. We're discussing a position involving responsability over several matters - this is no time for keping plans a secret.

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Q - But I've seen you actually banning people here in MFG...
A - Indeed, 3 guys (Hoshi, Fuchikoma and another one who I cannot remember now) were temporarily banned (as there was no mute feature then) and who got unbanned shortly after.

... if you consider a matter of months a short amount of time, or the fact that Hoshi was a new account (the original "Lee" one was never unbanned that I know of).
Or the motivations for those particular bans and your part on what followed not long after... Enough for now on this matter...

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Q - I still don't want you here...
A - Sigh... BBH was given a second chance after being caught stealing. Many people who has been caught stealing have been given a second chance too. ZantetsuMug, Legato and other guys have also been given a second chance. Why can't I be given a second chance as well?  Isn't a big hypocrisy to allow other people have second chances, yet I'm not allowed to them?

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#47  March 19, 2006, 05:33:37 am
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About Pots? Kick him so he can slave on his characters and give Vinny something to do instead.
what do you mean? if i wanted to "slave" on my chars i wouldn't have accepted to become a mod in the first place
and there's a bunch of unmoderated boards atm (although the GMs have been managing to handle them)

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If not possible Winane + BJ + Valodim.
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Something about BJ as admin gives me the feeling, that he will start doing some mass-moving of topics and editing of profiles without notification.
but he'd probably be right about it :P
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#48  March 19, 2006, 06:38:21 am
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Something about BJ as admin gives me the feeling, that he will start doing some mass-moving of topics and editing of profiles without notification.
but he'd probably be right about it :P
Maybe so, but something about him being admin, scares me.
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#50  March 19, 2006, 10:43:32 am
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Interrupting the regular program for another flashback. *g*


Pots:

Just a random thought, it meant what it said except the slaving part, naturally~
"Several times now, Achamian thought he had glimpsed golden haloes about Kellhus's hands. He found himself envying those, such as Proyas, who claimed to see them all the time."
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#51  March 19, 2006, 11:14:25 am
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>:0

History will repeat itself, I say my doubts, boom, that person gets admin.
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#52  March 19, 2006, 11:27:14 am
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"will" ? Guild history has already repeated itself just now.
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#53  March 19, 2006, 12:33:24 pm
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Let's just do what that Open Sores guy said for the time being and leave everything to Val. Otherwise we will continue this topic (like we always do) until it loses most all of it's original purpose, ticks everyone off, and has Loona vs XG # 1billion.

The only time Val needs another admin is when topics like these appear anywho, ironic :P He'll do something whenever he is ready.

EDIT: @Sepp: If you ever want to try the new forum idea for whatever reason later on and need database space to do so you can start one on NWM and I won't interfere or say things like, "I think you should do this..that...whatever"
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#54  March 19, 2006, 03:47:02 pm
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I too am in favor of dropping lists, and prefer that forum matters be handled in the forum (even in in my admin days I'd drop by #mugen once or twice to check on some info - usually because of the damn lists and what they implied).

o_O

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Most magicians are entertainers, and while Mugen may be a hobby, administrating a forum about it like this one is more of a responsability. We're discussing a position involving responsability over several matters - this is no time for keping plans a secret.

:yes:

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... if you consider a matter of months a short amount of time, or the fact that Hoshi was a new account (the original "Lee" one was never unbanned that I know of).
Or the motivations for those particular bans and your part on what followed not long after... Enough for now on this matter...

But... Lee did behave like an ass around here, and we all agreed on the ban, didn't we? Maybe I mix this up with some other case :P

no opinion from bj?
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#55  March 19, 2006, 10:11:56 pm
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I too am in favor of dropping lists, and prefer that forum matters be handled in the forum (even in in my admin days I'd drop by #mugen once or twice to check on some info - usually because of the damn lists and what they implied).

o_O

What's so shocking here?...

Most of those "trips into the underworld" usually involved checking things like current MRev memberships and whatnot.

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... if you consider a matter of months a short amount of time, or the fact that Hoshi was a new account (the original "Lee" one was never unbanned that I know of).
Or the motivations for those particular bans and your part on what followed not long after... Enough for now on this matter...

But... Lee did behave like an ass around here, and we all agreed on the ban, didn't we? Maybe I mix this up with some other case :P

There may have been mutings and whatnot before (I recall at least one period of time where he and BJ would have their conflicts), but the ban XG handed was for posting a pic of WinMugen that had appeared before in Mugen Sex.
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the ban XG handed was for posting a pic of WinMugen that had appeared before in Mugen Sex.
I want to know how the fact that the picture appeared in Mugen Sex is relevant. I wasn't around by the time this happened, if it helps any.
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#57  March 20, 2006, 12:37:24 am
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man, I entirely forgot how the old forum looked ^_^
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#58  March 20, 2006, 01:16:45 am
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the ban XG handed was for posting a pic of WinMugen that had appeared before in Mugen Sex.
I want to know how the fact that the picture appeared in Mugen Sex is relevant. I wasn't around by the time this happened, if it helps any.

Why would he be punished by showing something lots of people had already seen and could easily assume was a hoax? Handing over a ban over that was too much IMO.


As for the lists, I had no illusions about my ability to cause such major paradigm shifts in the community all by myself, such as making people stop caring about stuff being requested or not - I worked with what the forum's policies were at the time. Sepp seems to have done the same, judging from his recent post in Announcements:
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The list has been heavily reduced! Betas! And stuff. Oh and that MRev bunch I just never removed entirely because I was waiting for something . . . well irrelevant, but in case you wanna work on lists, there's something you might be able to do.

Sunboy aka Rumiko aka Mystique aka Shinta aka Jedah aka o_O aka Rugal aka Vayne aka Hayte aka Edge aka Vice is really amusing to read at first but kinda borders on being a Crime Against Humanity.


Oh and don't you dare to make BlackJack admin. See these rules in the list topic? I must have killed number 4 at least twice, back when it still was number 4. It's currently number 5. He just added it back in, the bastard! Dooooon't request KFM's sound file!!


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And for the eletests everywhere, a public staff board would be hilarious, I forgot to mention.

Edit2: No, I did not know about the Nazi General.
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