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#241  June 20, 2008, 05:44:14 am
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I see what you did there.

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Sometimes ghetto is a good thing though as in some situations it can mean retro or oldschool. Racial slurs are stupid and the sooner people stop getting out of joint when one is mentioned the sooner they'll go away. You don't respond to an insult, said insult loses it's effect.


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#243  June 20, 2008, 06:33:49 am
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Sometimes ghetto is a good thing though as in some situations it can mean retro or oldschool.

Yep. The bottom line with "ghetto" is, at it's inception, it was meant to describe downtrotten neighboorhoods but it's practically universal to praise, poke fun or insult people in saying it. Calling "ghetto" a racist remark is purely fucking stupid and only further rapes the true definition of "racist/racism."

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#244  June 20, 2008, 06:48:22 am
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Just like the N word ghetto was made a adjective when it shouldn't of been. For you to even say it could mean something good further displays you don't know what the words history is. I could give you 1000 links saying its not accepted and shouldnt be used ever as a joke. Problem is that black people themselves helped make it a adjective or temporary one. And it will take years just like with the N-word to get people out fo saying it. So to make a long story short it doesn't matter how you perceive it. I'm telling you and alot fo other black people will tell you not to use that word aimed at anyone. Like I said its a very good way to get your ass kicked if thats your goal.

Sorry Cyanide I grew up in a said ghetto no one ever used that to describe old school. They would of said ;back in the day, old school, throwback, run that back. Saying yo son remember those nike's back in the day those were ghetto. UMMM NO.....don't know what comedian you heard that from but its not real life. Again just because black people run around saying N word please and your so ghetto. Doesn't mean we are supposed to be doing it and even thats not accepted. Which why if you say any of the words in any work place you problably be shown the door. You think that be a major hint that its a no no. And what you guys fail to see in the reason why it was bad.

KFM basically aimed it towards me i'm black. So that automatically assumes that i'm ghetto?? So he now has the right to say that because i'm black? That my friends is a slur and a low class stereotype. He didn't say something on me was ghetto he called (ME) ghetto. Thats outright disrespectful and the very reason people like Imus get fired from their jobs. So its like me calling someone of japanese decent a rice baby or calling someone of white decent a cracker. What would give me the right to do that? I don't have any right to say it and its poor class and manners. It's about respect for other races and people that was not done here.

And Shaun as for you its a slur (NOW) and from its very core it was bad to begin with. But now its even worse doesn't matter what you think is fucking stupid. The reality of the situation now is the word is (NOT) accepted. Google it don't listen to me thiers about a million sites saying its not accepted
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=nOt&q=Is+saying+ghetto+disrespectful&btnG=Search
There you go feel free to get educated on the history of the word before you running around saying whats fucking stupid
Last Edit: June 20, 2008, 07:03:57 am by SilentStorm

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#245  June 20, 2008, 07:12:55 am
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Pretty sleepy, I'll say this and be done with it. Rebuttal from a black man:
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SilentStorm said, June 20, 2008, 06:48:22 am
Just like the N word ghetto was made a adjective when it shouldn't of been. For you to even say it could mean something good further displays you don't know what the words history is.

I partly agree with your first sentence. The adjective form was primarly used to describe black neighboorhoods, good and bad ones. There was nothing positive about it's definition. But realize the times we're in - words mean different things for different subject matters. Meanings take on different things (some for good, some for bad). Yes, wordplay is tricky depending the crowd so it's best to chose words correctly...and if you feel that iffy, it's best to shut the fuck up altogether. In the sense of KFM calling you a ghetto redneck, I don't see how it was a racial remark at all...if I had to guess he said what he said because you were acting like an extremely  ???, no-name chowderhead who has their facts in a jumble (or, how it seems now, has let their personal experiences really get the best of them?). Or not. I really don't care.

Second sentence - like I said in my previous post its defintion at birth was to describe a negative setting but it has also evolved into a slang describing other shit. N-word is relative but its core purpose delivers negative descriptions among blacks. If you want to get all hot and bothered about the wordplay of ghetto and nigga/er then chose the latter. It's not like KFM called you a ghetto nigger.

Also, one last thing (and this should be expressed to everybody): don't always depend on the internet to back up your statements. People spout and publish historic findings offline just to negate or twist real truth (whatever that may be), as well as going on arguing half-learned facts that only lead into deeper depths of shitsforbrainsville. What makes you think what you find online will be gospel?
Last Edit: June 20, 2008, 07:35:52 am by #Shaun

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#246  June 20, 2008, 07:35:12 am
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Actually in definition he called me a ghetto white person officially. But your missing the point just like Imus did. NO ONE has any business saying those terms directed towards anyone. But hey people will learn the hard way either way its not accepted. Which is why i'm not shocked some people don't get it. Because of the simple fact they don't understand the history of the word. Nor do they problably even know they aren't supposed to even be uttering it anymore.
 But this is nothing new to me people argued on myspace exactly the same way for imus. They had to learn the hard way then its not cool. This is not different if something was said on the radio. He have al sharpton kicking his door down and every radio news channel calling him a bigot. Like I said doesn't matter what you believe things to be. Again the fact of the matter is its not cool nor tolerated for it to be said. You can't even call anyone a redneck anymore on tv for that matter. Without the fcc hanging you upside down by the balls. YOU'D think that be a hint.
No the net is not gospel but I supposed a thousand people all plotted to make a 1000 links of lies saying the word is not accepted right? Thiers clips of news shows or debates between politicians and rappers on this very thing on you tube. Where its clearly pointed out its not accepted. But hey according to you that is all fake huh.

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#247  June 20, 2008, 07:37:07 am
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Storm, I think the Blue Collar Comedy tour would like to say something about your Redneck Statement.
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#Shaun

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#248  June 20, 2008, 07:44:47 am
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You might be a ghetto redneck if you go on pontificating about the permissions and copyright affirmations towards anything related to M.U.G.E.N.
Last Edit: June 20, 2008, 07:57:57 am by #Shaun

SilentStorm

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#249  June 20, 2008, 07:52:25 am
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#Shaun said, June 20, 2008, 07:44:47 am
You might be a ghetto redneck if you go on pontificating about the permissions and copyright affirmations towards anything related to M.U.G.E.N.

Thats not even a argument because I'll do what I want regardless of what anyone says or feels. I long since stop talking about that because thiers no point. But like I said again doesn't matter if you believe in something it is what it is. And I'm on like 100 forums this is just one. And this the only forum that anyone even cares about any of this. So like I said its fairly amusing watching people get all huffy. In the the meantime i'm like scared to log onto trillian without getting tell bombed. You really think this hurts my feelings.

Also aren't you supposed to be a mod you could be a bit more mature then that. To repeat the insult just to have your say.
Last Edit: June 20, 2008, 08:00:55 am by SilentStorm

#Shaun

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#250  June 20, 2008, 07:57:43 am
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:party3: dress appropiate when witnessing a harmless joke that's half true and half unfunny :party3:
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#251  June 20, 2008, 08:07:47 am
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But alas this is boring and way over due to be done..

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#252  June 20, 2008, 09:11:46 am
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LET'S CLEAR THIS UP, SHALL WE? I bolded the important parts

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#253  June 20, 2008, 09:21:12 am
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Isn't it ghetto and not getto?

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If you want to fix it/finish it/use coding from it/change the authorname and say it's yours, I don't fucking care.
Thats what i was remembering. I shall assume none of us HAVE that character then or else, other people are stupid by not going in to post it.

Words change SS. Gay was previously happy. Now it's homosexual. Sick was previously what you were when you felt awful, now it's a way of saying something is good.

Ghetto may have some negative connotations still but people round here do use it as a description for something that's cool. Cars and clothing mostly. Wandering round in a hoodie and ripped jeans is classed as ghetto and people like that because their style has been recognised.


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#255  June 21, 2008, 05:04:17 am
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Correction Cy that may have been the case 5 years ago. But its not anymore now if you look around you won't see anyone using ghetto or the N word quite like that anymore. Only people who are ignorant of the changes in the society do. Or rappers who never cared to behin with. When you call something ghetto even as a adjective was negative period not cool. Which is what started the whole tide of black politicians and the people cutting it out. When you call something ghetto it usually means its low budget or sub par. What then happen after that people started making it a joke to call things ghetto replaces normal words. Which is basically like someone cursing every other minute using fuck or shit as a adjective.

You guys are cracking me up because you really don't know the history of the word and its current condition in society now. It's basically on par with calling someone a N-word. If you didn't know now you do know. So whatever you say after the point of being told will be sheer ignorance. All of you do yourself a favor and watch the interview of when Imus was interviewed by Al Sharpton. You will shut up real fast on this topic. It is not accepted at all towards any race anymore to use any negative slang towards anybody. Anybody who does it black white or whatever gets their ass handed to them by the world. It's also never funny and shows poor sense of humor that in all your intelligence. The best you can come up with to diss someone is a racial comment. Thier is no excuse or reason to ever go there in a language, and culture that you have literally a million other ways to go about it.

Says one thing about the person who does it and thinks its funny. IGNORANCE!

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Last time I heard someone say "ghetto" in real life was in a 50 Cent rap where he said something like "so gutter, so ghetto, so hood."

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SilentStorm said, June 21, 2008, 05:04:17 am
Correction Cy that may have been the case 5 years ago. But its not anymore now if you look around you won't see anyone using ghetto or the N word quite like that anymore. Only people who are ignorant of the changes in the society do. Or rappers who never cared to behin with. When you call something ghetto even as a adjective was negative period not cool. Which is what started the whole tide of black politicians and the people cutting it out. When you call something ghetto it usually means its low budget or sub par. What then happen after that people started making it a joke to call things ghetto replaces normal words. Which is basically like someone cursing every other minute using fuck or shit as a adjective.

You guys are cracking me up because you really don't know the history of the word and its current condition in society now. It's basically on par with calling someone a N-word. If you didn't know now you do know. So whatever you say after the point of being told will be sheer ignorance. All of you do yourself a favor and watch the interview of when Imus was interviewed by Al Sharpton. You will shut up real fast on this topic. It is not accepted at all towards any race anymore to use any negative slang towards anybody. Anybody who does it black white or whatever gets their ass handed to them by the world. It's also never funny and shows poor sense of humor that in all your intelligence. The best you can come up with to diss someone is a racial comment. Thier is no excuse or reason to ever go there in a language, and culture that you have literally a million other ways to go about it.

Says one thing about the person who does it and thinks its funny. IGNORANCE!

Come on, what are you doing?

1) If you look around you won't see it being used
2) well or if you do, it's by people ignorant of the changes you say have taken place
3) or rappers
4) people who disagree with this are ignorant of history and circumstances and it's current conditions in society now which is apparently defined by you! you definie society and its conditions!? i mean, what the heck? so if somebody were to say that, wait a second, it could be acceptable for him, what you are saying is that this person is

1) ignorant and/or a rapper
2) of questionable humor and/or intelligence
3) not living in the real conditions of society nowadays

... no discussions can take place if you put up absolutes in such a fashion. You are right and don't allow for any other interpretation. Heh.
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By following your link, then the FIRST LINK that brings up. We get 4 definitions of ghetto

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1. (n.) an impoverished, neglected, or otherwise disadvantaged residential area of a city, usually troubled by a disproportionately large amount of crime

2. (adj.) urban; of or relating to (inner) city life

3. (adj.) poor; of or relating to the poor life

4. (adj.) jury-rigged, improvised, or home-made (usually with extremely cheap or sub-standard components), yet still deserving of an odd sense of respect from ghetto dwellers and non-ghetto dwellers alike
You're only accepting definition 1 and 3. You do not accept definition 2 or 4.


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#260  June 21, 2008, 02:44:02 pm
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Who gives a fuck what the word meant back then ? If it's used right now with the intended meaning it currently has and no thought whatsoever about the original meaning, then you're a retard for going back to the original meaning. Yeah, that goes for "the N-word" too. Of course you need to remember history, but that doesn't change the current meaning of the word and you can very well use it with the current meaning even when knowing the original meaning.
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