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Re: SMvC: EOH Wolvenom by DARKTALBAIN and Cray
#21  May 13, 2009, 03:03:05 am
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You guys truly out did yourself with him. Im having a fuckin blast with this edit. He is seriously awesome and doesn't take away the wolverine game play. I love what you all did and thanks for sharing.  :sugoi:

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#22  May 13, 2009, 03:13:31 am
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this is surprisingly good! i had my doubts about it (hint, the word Symbiote lolz) but as i played with him, hes not too bad! great work! :sugoi: :sugoi:

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#23  May 13, 2009, 04:12:50 am
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Amazing character and can i give some feedback?
The select screen mini portrait needs to be changed because it is big and it is yellow like covering the rest of my dudes which can get annoying. (please try to fix in the next release plz)
Plays great and feels great.
Good animation
Great idea as well
Amazing character overall.
Make more xxxenom characters please because they are AMAZING!


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#24  May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
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Sabaki , I will give you my report  (since I know you care)

Good

- Twisted Weapon X, nice idea
- Arachnid Massacre, very nice idea.
- Good voices
- Good combo ability

Bad

- Bad aligned effects (his standing strong punch, SSP for now  on)
- bad animation times in many things (SSP, intro  when he gets the simbiont, all hitsparks)
- slow moves (the grabs)
- Berserker Barrage X - Its almost the original version. Maybe you should give the same revamp of the Twisted Weapon X
- Infectious Darkness. I don't like it, at all. There is better way to scale the dark "blob", the effects on Wolvenon  (palfx) are weird and I don't like the  concept too. I can't imagine a simbiont covering all the screen, but its my personal taste.
- Sometimes, I miss some of the ZVitor's feeling on this char, like the diagonal laucher, which was removed on this version.
- There is something missing on this char...I dunno what. Maybe he can be better, with some other moves, like Omega Red tentacles, etc.
- I still think that this char could be more agressive, more wild.


Well, like I said before (even to DT, directally) is a nice char (I'm putting my personal opinion aside about Symbionts) and its the best symbiont char, for sure (its not a provocation, relax you-know-who).

keep the good work. There is a lot to fix,  but I see some potential here.

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#25  May 13, 2009, 08:27:02 am
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.(O). said, May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
- Sometimes, I miss some of the ZVitor's feeling on this char, like the diagonal laucher, which was removed on this version.
i already delete my version, its a great char, with all sabaki's "combo detailts"
my feeling is only to change set of basic moves because EoH project have lots of wolverines, sometimes i dont know if story is about a symbiote invasion or a wolverines invasion, any way... now i tink is better change set of basics of other wolverines.

.(O). said, May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
- Infectious Darkness. I don't like it, at all. There is better way to scale the dark "blob", the effects on Wolvenon  (palfx) are weird and I don't like the  concept too. I can't imagine a simbiont covering all the screen, but its my personal taste.
it not a good move to wolvenom, but should be perfect for DAREDEVIL, i tink it should be the best way to mugenize his radar, a black screen and palfx withe....



i just dont like the stage, and not only about the static problem, try put all this symbiotes animated in a city stage



Last Edit: May 13, 2009, 08:49:55 am by zvitor

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#26  May 13, 2009, 09:52:45 am
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zvitor said, May 13, 2009, 08:27:02 am
i just dont like the stage, and not only about the static problem, try put all this symbiotes animated in a city stage
Yeah ... about the stage :

WTF is this ?!! None animated symbiotes just look UGLY in the back of the stage. Oh yeah, I read the readme : time constraint. Why the fuck would there be time constraint for Mugen stuff ? The creator's not paid for the job, is he ?!
The Juggy quote just looks stupid, Gouki in the air is not realistic, neither are all the other symbiotes ...
Also, what the hell is this sprite appearing at the top of the stage when you jump ? Sprite 1,0 in the SFF, the art used in the stage Ultimecia. Not to say there are many other sprites in the SFF which have nothing to do there.

This is just some rushed job, getting released just to be released. I have to back up Ilusionista on this one (can't remember which topic) : the original version is 100 times better. At least it makes sense, contrary to this half assed job where some guy just pasted symbiotes sprites onto a ground and called it a new stage.

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#27  May 13, 2009, 03:37:09 pm
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.(O). said, May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
There is a lot to fix,  but I see some potential here.

This is comming from a guy who's characters are broken or dont work at all.

Personally dude YOUR characters are the one's that need "a lot to fix". Start with your Dao Long EX and work your way down from there.

cray

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#28  May 13, 2009, 05:33:54 pm
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@.(O). : Thanks for the feedback. Well, the character is pretty solid for a first release, but yes there are some things missing. A few others have mentioned about more symbiote-type moves for the basics, so DT and are have discussed about it. He's gonna try to have some new things so that Wolvenom will be further different from Wolverine without ruining the gameplay. Making him more wilder & crazier has been on my mind, and I'm still working on some concepts to achieve that. For example, currently moves like Beserker Barrage and Tornado Claw now have finisher-type of followups, but I'm thinking about changind how the original moves work as well, like make the look of Tornado Clow change to comething else than just spinning his body like Wolverine. Speed of his throws has been mentioned to me as well, so I'll also work on that. Sprite alignment was one of the hardest part concerning Wolverine, since he's small and generally leaving the ground for his attacks. I'll look into alignment a little better. As for fixing up the fluidity of some of his symbiote-related animations, I'll pass the message to DT.

@zvitor: You deleted your version? Hmm, I figured maybe one day you'd add some stuff to yours and maybe speak with DT about releasing yours.

@Zelgius: Yeah, the current one is supposed just "jump at you", but we're aware it doesn't follow the standards. I'll add another small portrait in the update...just for you  :)

@God's Anger: This is DT's first stage iirc, and he did try to get it out as quickly as possible. The idea for the stage is from one of The Avengers comics, where Dr. Doom dropped a Symbiote Bomb on the world. Some of the future plans he has are to have the characters animated as well as fix any bugs and inconsistencies. In any event, I'll deliver the message to him.

Thanks again for the feedback everyone. If there are any bugs or feedback, please post them.

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#29  May 13, 2009, 06:34:18 pm
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this is one of the best characters that i have ever played....the web and claw combination is simply magnificent!!!! whoever thought of the idea is a genius!!!!

tnx darktalbain and cray........tnx too eoh team ur characters are simply the best!!!!!

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#30  May 13, 2009, 07:01:33 pm
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cray said, May 13, 2009, 05:33:54 pm
@zvitor: You deleted your version? Hmm, I figured maybe one day you'd add some stuff to yours and maybe speak with DT about releasing yours.

Thanks again for the feedback everyone. If there are any bugs or feedback, please post them.
not really, just removed from my roster.

about feedback, one time when i defeat enemy in blackscreen mode, blackscreen still and then banshe winpose apper but i only see black screen and enemy body, i cant made it happes again, if i can will give more details.

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#31  May 13, 2009, 08:47:13 pm
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The SHOCKER said, May 13, 2009, 03:37:09 pm
.(O). said, May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
There is a lot to fix,  but I see some potential here.

This is comming from a guy who's characters are broken or dont work at all.

Personally dude YOUR characters are the one's that need "a lot to fix". Start with your Dao Long EX and work your way down from there.
I like his characters better than yours.

btw me like character i made a video of him xp in case anyone wanted to see what hes like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDwmjmF3rI&feature=channel_page

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#32  May 13, 2009, 08:49:30 pm
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#33  May 14, 2009, 02:59:18 am
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holy wow those are awesome  8)

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#34  May 14, 2009, 04:01:47 am
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EXShadow said, May 14, 2009, 02:59:18 am
holy wow those are awesome  8)
LOL thats what I though.  ;D


Anyways, back on subject...

How long did it take you guys to both sprite & come up with the ideas for moves and supers for Wolvenom?

THIS is exactly what "EDITS" should be. Not stats and pallette changes or flashy effects. A true edit from looks to moves. Seriously good job with this!

PS- I hope you plan on updating him soon, I would like a faster Beserker Barrage and Tornado Claw. It seems choppy/slow for his style. But dont go overboard with the speed.  :P ::)

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#35  May 14, 2009, 04:07:25 am
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Copied and pasted from MI:

I tried him out and he was a hell lot of fun to play. Great release. :sugoi:

I found one bug though. Not sure if anyone else said it but I'll say it anyway. When Wolvenom clings to the left-right end side of the stage behind the opponent, he floats to the opposite side of the wall. I'll post up a pic of the bug if you need me too.

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#36  May 14, 2009, 04:15:06 am
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The SHOCKER said, May 13, 2009, 03:37:09 pm
This is comming from a guy who's characters are broken or dont work at all.

Personally dude YOUR characters are the one's that need "a lot to fix". Start with your Dao Long EX and work your way down from there.
this is definitely not the thread for that

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#37  May 14, 2009, 04:39:09 am
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The SHOCKER said, May 13, 2009, 03:37:09 pm
.(O). said, May 13, 2009, 04:29:05 am
There is a lot to fix,  but I see some potential here.

This is comming from a guy who's characters are broken or dont work at all.

Personally dude YOUR characters are the one's that need "a lot to fix". Start with your Dao Long EX and work your way down from there.

oh moooooooooooooommmmy, the  don't like my chars!!!!!! Specially one made at...2001 and was my second char. Oh, wait, you was here in 2001? :)

The SHOCKER said, May 13, 2009, 08:49:30 pm
EXShadow said, May 13, 2009, 08:47:13 pm
I like his characters better than yours.

Obviously you havent DL-ed any of my characters. Here the link to my page, Try them out and THEN tell me you dont like mine over his.  >:( :P

http://www.mugenguild.com/~pots/

Wow , that are great chars, for sure! But you've choosen a bad person to "mimic": POTS is a very buddy of mine, I know hiw for ages...and the last time I've talk with him,  he had THIS account http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=PhantomOfTheServer

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This is just some rushed job, getting released just to be released. I have to back up Ilusionista on this one (can't remember which topic) : the original version is 100 times better. At least it makes sense, contrary to this half assed job where some guy just pasted symbiotes sprites onto a ground and called it a new stage.

thanx. Yeah, there are something very wrong with that stage, with all static edits. I know that it was made on a hurry, but sometimes you  just (how can I translate it)  will "miss the shot" (or "waste the shot") by releasing something unfinished, because all the surprise will be gone, because people alread saw the stage on very early stages.

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Well, the character is pretty solid for a first release

yeah, pretty solid. You know that you are someone that I really respect as a creator, your chars are very nice, very well done, they are quality over quantity.

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Tornado Claw

yeah, that move is a bit slow, he should spin faster, to have more "impact"

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Sprite alignment was one of the hardest part concerning Wolverine, since he's small and generally leaving the ground for his attacks.

yes, some of his moves are hard to align. I watched his low kick a lot of times because I think that it was misaligned, but no.

And keep this in mind: I NEVER will dislike or attack you  because any personal issues with anybody. I won't mix my personal taste (or hate) of symbionts or any trouble with any forum with  my  respect for a good creator. Do not anyone fool you  into that.

Also, check your pm...

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#38  May 14, 2009, 04:56:59 am
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#39  May 14, 2009, 06:56:15 am
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Yay thanks for fixing up the portrait :)
i am looking foward to next update

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#40  June 11, 2009, 10:53:05 am
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Fix it yourself with fighter factory, it's really easy.
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