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Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#1  December 07, 2013, 02:28:19 am
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after months to get this game ready its finally here the demo 1.0 A of

SOUL EDGE 2

this game has

11 characters
7 stages

(I hope mi amigo chuchoryu-san does not mind if I use Seong Mi-Na for the game)

not every character has all of moves only 4 characters does not have throwing move

so have fun with soul edge 2 if you have any questions about the game you can always ask
in the full game projects in soul calibur

next year 2014 the game will have more characters and stages with a release of demo 2.0

ENJOY!

Soul Edge 2:

part 1: http://www.mediafire.com/download/b1eh05bvjrkj8wb/Soul%20Edge%20ll.rar
part 2: http://www.mediafire.com/download/te08d6lhflytevl/data.rar
part 3: http://www.mediafire.com/download/i3dcpso1dcz91zs/chars.rar
part 4: http://www.mediafire.com/download/wyz4as811kawk3w/stages.rar
part 5: http://www.mediafire.com/download/cg4rr366gfgkc5s/Sound.rar





      Posted: December 07, 2013, 02:44:50 am
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Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#2  December 07, 2013, 04:10:38 am
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How would you know what patches are needed if you don't allow feedback?
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#3  December 07, 2013, 04:15:32 am
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if you still want to send feedbacks send me personal message
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#4  December 07, 2013, 04:27:01 am
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#5  December 07, 2013, 04:30:22 am
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No feedback?.....Dude are you serious?......Really?.....

How the hell can you release something on a mugen forum and then tell people no feedback is allowed?.....

I mean, its not like it matters anyway because you don't ever listen to people when we try to tell you how to do things to help improve your characters anyway.

Here's what I think about this "DEMO GAME"

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Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 04:34:50 am by ~R@CE AKIR@~
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#6  December 07, 2013, 04:38:57 am
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I just dont want any feedback in this trend whats wrong with that
they can still give me feedback with personal message
dont start a fight for my own decision
i know how people act around with turning a trend into a big argument
its not like i not ever want feedback
i just ask to not send them here
sending a personal message is not hard its not a big deal
my tactics are different from other people i cant help it if you cant respect this or understand
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#7  December 07, 2013, 04:45:09 am
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fine you can send feedback
(you guys don't have to cry about it a simple personal message wont hurt anyone...man)

     Posted: December 07, 2013, 04:47:18 am
(trying something different...you dont need to cry about it)

enough of this arguing over something you can still do is really stupid you guys
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#8  December 07, 2013, 04:51:48 am
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I just dont want any feedback in this trend whats wrong with that
they can still give me feedback with personal message
dont start a fight for my own decision
i know how people act around with turning a trend into a big argument
its not like i not ever want feedback
i just ask to not send them here
sending a personal message is not hard its not a big deal
my tactics are different from other people i cant help it if you cant respect this or understand

Dude listen, forget all the not leaving feedback thing, no one is starting a fight with you but what i am gonna tell you is this, im not sending you or anyone else a pm about something they released if they have already released it on a forum

See you just dont want people to leave feedback here because your afraid it may take away from your release but you know what your just going to have to roll with the punches dude and just suck it up like the rest of us who have released stuff and just take the time and acutally fix some of these things that are listed or do whatever you can that you might feel like you agree with.....

Like i said, i love that your making soul calibur characters but I hate the fact that you dont finish them... You and chuchoryu have this habit and it looks like it will never change.....

No one is crying by the way.... just waiting on you to finally realize the errors in your ways and give these characters a decent update and actually finish them instead of starting on another new character every 5 minutes when you have others who dont even have full normal attack animations made for them, let alone anything else.....
Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 04:55:14 am by ~R@CE AKIR@~
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#9  December 07, 2013, 04:59:30 am
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well my tactic is is similar but really different from chuchoryu you see

chuchoryu:

He does this for the sake of releasing something not made for mugen he is not doing this for a specific full game as i follow him in mugen multiverse
so many characters not for a single game maybe tekken but his characters barley do anything when he releases a beta of a character while i make
sure a character i release actually does something in a way

my way:

i do this so the game has progress and i wont release another set of characters until every character in the first demo is complete and that
involves patches for them

in demo 2.0 B
the characters from demo 1.0 A will be done and we all can look forward to new characters and seeing them get better and better
also letting other people get their hands on them before the demo is released
Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 05:02:32 am by |||||
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#10  December 07, 2013, 05:08:08 am
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well my tactic is is similar but really different from chuchoryu you see

chuchoryu:

He does this for the sake of releasing something not made for mugen he is not doing this for a specific full game as i follow him in mugen multiverse
so many characters not for a single game maybe tekken but his characters barley do anything when he releases a beta of a character while i make
sure a character i release actually does something in a way

my way:

i do this so the game has progress and i wont release another set of characters until every character in the first demo is complete and that
involves patches for them

in demo 2.0 B
the characters from demo 1.0 A will be done and we all can look forward to new characters and seeing them get better and better
also letting other people get their hands on them before the demo is released

I see your point, but my point is this, dont get upset when people leave feedback when you choose to do it that way

It hard to leave "Praising" feedback (Being that is what you only want to hear because you ignore all of the constructive stuff told to you) if you can barely play with them because they dont have that much. See what i mean?....

If you release characters that barely have stuff completed in them, then how can you get mad at the feedback given?... Its like what do you expect them to say "OMG AWESOME +100 character"

Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 05:12:20 am by ~R@CE AKIR@~
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#11  December 07, 2013, 05:19:26 am
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i understand that
im just a little worried because every time i post something
so many people want to destroy my trends but making them look bad
without understanding how i do certain things with my work
i always do things like everyone else

but i get what your saying race
well for demo 2
2.0 B
i will release a character with a good amount of moves
but with you saying that it seems like no one really care about updates here?
in a way its kind of not true because of other people who actually care and their patient

i know your just looking out for me and i honor you for it
thank you
Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 05:30:18 am by |||||
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#12  December 07, 2013, 05:35:05 am
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Dude no.... You got it all wrong.... I do care.... And they care too....

I mean why else do you think most of us keep on posting..... If nothing else, who wouldnt want some awesome Soul Calibur characters man?

Thing is, if you keep doing things the way you are, eventually people might not care because they already are going to assume that the characters are not complete so their not even going to bother to download them.....

Me, I love Soul Calibur, so as long as someone is trying to make them for mugen, i'm all for it. So I'm going to keep on giving my feedback as much as I can until they are in the right direction.

I mean even with my own creations that I have still on my end, if I feel they are not ready for a release for any reason, then guess what?
I just wont release it..... And I surely wouldnt release a character if they dont even have their normal attack animations completed until they are finished to the point where you have a good amount of variation in them.....

I would rather wait as long as needed to get good and solid characters with most things completed than these (Alpha) state characters.....

And you can release a Demo, but when you make a demo of a full game, you would only want to show off completed characters to show people what the gameplay is going to be like. Like giving them a trial with some thing that is "Near" completion, not somethin that is still in Alpha stage. Just saying.... Put some more work ethic in your creations before you decided to release....
Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 05:46:09 am by ~R@CE AKIR@~
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#13  December 07, 2013, 05:48:50 am
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ok i see your point
im going to do that instead of my own tactic
lots of people are going to call me chuchoryu clone

well im going to finish the characters and when they are finished and ready i will release a patch of the character finished
as you can see i kind of got this feeling of me what chuchoryu is doing is a good way to start off something and as long as i keep making updates
people will follow my work but look how this is turning out for me
its taking me in a bad direction i guess

thank you for telling me this for now on i wont follow this path and take a new one
this should not make lots of people upset that is something i really dont want to do
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#14  December 07, 2013, 06:16:06 am
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But dude its not about trying to do something to not upset people

I mean dude it should never be that serious lol

What i am saying is that if you want your work to be viewed in a better light or looked at as something with very good quality then take your time improving and also fixing the things stated or etc....

At the end of the day, although it may only matter what you think about your own creations, if what you truly want is for others to enjoy your creations then take your time and put more work ethic in each release before you decided to release them so that they will get that kind satisfication that you want them to have.

In other words try not to release them in the state that you have been doing.... Try to complete 1 of them at a time. No need to wait till all have been finished. You can just complete each character one at a time, then release them separately

Or if you want to complete them all at once then release, then that's fine too. But in my opinion, i would just focus on 1 character at a time and actually complete them to the fullest! (No betas or alpha's or anything) then release it then move on to the next character

That's what a lot of creators do and it helps keep you from eventually building up way too many W.I.P.s
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#15  December 07, 2013, 06:30:29 am
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well Im going to do that for now on

I just thought the way chuchoryu is not working out

im just going to listen to your advice because I love mr. infinite and your work and what your saying to me is the
reason why lots of people who get your stuff and you guys care
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#16  December 07, 2013, 06:44:54 am
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well Im going to do that for now on

I just thought the way chuchoryu is not working out

im just going to listen to your advice because I love mr. infinite and your work and what your saying to me is the
reason why lots of people who get your stuff and you guys care

Well while I am giving you my feedback and advice, don't do it because I told you. Once again, I want you to do it if your willingly wanting to, not because me or anyone else told you, because I'm not trying to make anyone do anything. But realize the end result if you choose not to. That is, if your trying to improve the quality of your work.

And yes like you said, like me, infinite, pots, divine wolf and j-morph and so many others, you see the end results if you take your time and work hard. I make characters that play good because I had to learn the hard way on what is good and what is not in terms of making mugen character because what I used to make, it wasnt always good but I had to learn what it takes to make it good and even now I am still learning. But what I always do, I take my time, and I do not rush releases...
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#17  December 07, 2013, 06:46:23 am
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#18  December 07, 2013, 06:52:39 am
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no im not doing this because you said to
I understand what your talking about
im going to take my time

and kanbei for this game im not going to make give this game so many moves for character I think
3 to 8 special moves would be enough because its not the 3D version
I try to balance the damage for the characters but I think im ok with that
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#19  December 07, 2013, 09:27:55 am
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Oh, well...
Here's my opinion. And i think that this game is... bastardized. In graphics... and possibly in gameplay.

This is not a feedback, and not an argue, an insult, a complaining... and not even a derailing. But there can be better, and probably will be better games. Your is just mediocre, mah- ummm... mahgeurl.

Your tottaly serious and no more roleplaying Dan! Because if i do roleplaying, i'll get killed! >:(

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Oh yes, i just forgot that your game is still demo! So yeah, this is affordable... Yeah.
I hope your game will get better, in both graphics and gameplay, in the future releases.
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#20  December 07, 2013, 03:21:15 pm
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I really think you should finish at least one of these characters,cause they all feel so incomplete and to keep on releasing stuff like this is only hurting you and whatever reputation youre trying to have,how can you try have a fullgame when you cant finish at least one of this characters,you cant build a house without a solid foundation,the sooner you realize this,your work will be better and prob people would start to take you and your work more seriously,listen to some of this guys here,they know the game and its rules,some feedback may piss you off,nobody likes it when people talk about your stuff in a negative way,but you learn from it,adapt to it and become better,best of luck
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#21  December 07, 2013, 04:00:00 pm
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Nah, let him do what he wants. He did say it's his "tactics". If he doesn't want feedback to be posted at his release thread, then who are we to stop him.

Good luck with you project.



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#22  December 07, 2013, 04:18:58 pm
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I really think you should finish at least one of these characters,cause they all feel so incomplete and to keep on releasing stuff like this is only hurting you and whatever reputation youre trying to have,how can you try have a fullgame when you cant finish at least one of this characters,you cant build a house without a solid foundation,the sooner you realize this,your work will be better and prob people would start to take you and your work more seriously,listen to some of this guys here,they know the game and its rules,some feedback may piss you off,nobody likes it when people talk about your stuff in a negative way,but you learn from it,adapt to it and become better,best of luck

Agreed!

Nah, let him do what he wants. He did say it's his "tactics". If he doesn't want feedback to be posted at his release thread, then who are we to stop him.

Good luck with you project.

No one is trying to stop him, but if someone posts their releases in a thread, feedback will be given whether they like it or not. And no one can stop anyone from doing that because it's our right to give feedback if we want to once it has been posted in a forum.

You could tell people not to post feedback 1000 times but i bet out of that 1000, atleast 1 person is still going to do it anyway.

But he willingly wants to improve his creations. He even said himself, he wants to improve because he has a desire to. Not because anyone told him to so.

I wish him good luck with his project too, and no one is perfect when it comes to making mugen characters, but I hope he can learn from his mistakes and make the neccessary decisions to improve the quality of his work before he decides to release something again
Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 05:35:44 pm by ~R@CE AKIR@~
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#23  December 07, 2013, 04:42:32 pm
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Since feedback is not allowed, I'll leave it at these two emotes as they best describe my thoughts.

I'll leave it at that. Thank you. Carry on.
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#24  December 07, 2013, 05:18:26 pm
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If you are willing to the route that R@ce said why not open a wip thread on the character you are currently working on I'm sure ppl would be happy to help and instead of posting betas all the time show screen shots or videos of your progress so ppl can give you feed back . Then when all is complete (basic, special, and super)  post that you need beta testers. I'm sure ppl will help to improve your work.

Good luck with your project.
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#25  December 08, 2013, 10:17:40 am
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I see the screenpack still uses those low res images. it really hurts the look of it. Also those select portraits...
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#26  December 10, 2013, 01:54:17 pm
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I got just a doubt about this: if you don't want feedback for your "fullgame", why did you leave this thread open to posts?? Do you want congratulations and "nice car +1" posts as in MMV or forums like that?? If you release something, the less you can expect is feedback, you can't only receive good or bad comments, you know, it's the intenet man. If you don't want this, I suggest to lock this thread instead to keep it open as it now
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#27  December 10, 2013, 03:07:36 pm
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I think he needs to know the difference between feedback and insults, if some one is giving you feedback it means that they like your chars but have a deeper knowledge of the source game than you do, so they like your work so much they want it to be perfect, but if some one comes telling you that you create shit or your chars suck just for the sake of insulting you,  rest assured that every body here will defend you.

Accepting construcive feedback is mature, even the greatest mugen creators accept feedback, we are humans and humans make mistakes all the time, but the real mistake is not learning from them and keep doing the same over and over again.
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#28  December 10, 2013, 08:35:00 pm
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Oh boy.

OK, guys, calm the fuck down. If an author doesn't want feedback then don't try to bully them into accepting it, because even if you do, it's already pretty clear that they don't want your feedback. Why waste your time, then? Don't act like this. You guys should know better.

To CvS Artist: if you don't want people giving you feedback, that's fine. You don't have to take feedback. But the only way you can guarantee that people won't post feedback in your threads is to lock it. You can't demand people not leave feedback and leave the thread open, because one of the purposes of having these threads is to get feedback. You don't have to follow any feedback in these threads, but if you leave the thread unlocked people are probably gonna post some, regardless of if you want them to. It's up to you to decide what you want here.
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#29  December 11, 2013, 01:16:49 pm
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I understand how he feels because feedback some times seem like you are creating their character not what you intended to do!
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#31  January 13, 2014, 10:06:43 am
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Thx for this demo...but i think i'll pass...  You've got some good intentions by releasing an unfinished work...but for me it is not enough...even for a demo and i'm not looking forward to play this Mugen game...cause nothing keeps me waiting for it.

Your Screenpack looks awful and too blurry....of course it' an old fashion way, but i'd prefer to see your final product...cause for now it is a little bit, how can i say that without being rude or hurt you...shitty.

Your characters are the same way, they are looking awful, all are Low-res...but in such a bad low-res that i can't imagine putting them in an other SP.

When you release a demo, you need to think that many people like me, are soul calibur or soul edge fans and we are looking for some good chars...even if your SP sucks, we wants good coded characters and most of that playable ones.

A demo for me is a well done SP, and 2 Hi-res and well coded characters, that will lead me impatiently to the download link.

as a conclusion, all your work need to be redone and all characters need to be improves, the way they look the moves they use etc...

You probably have the skills to do what we are expecting from you, don't be so quick to release things, take the time, be patient, first try to make one good SP, and then one good char, then sit, try your work, and try to tell you if it is good to be released this way, if not, change it...peace and take the time.

Nobody will steal your idea. i recommand you to visit deviant art site and get in touch with some good characters designer or spriters, let them design one or two chars, and then code them. try to use mugen 1.0, or 1.1 for some best looking SP...and then you'll be able to release a good demo...and everyone will fall for it...  For sure i will be the first.

With time, efforts and hope, you'll managed to get very good feedbacks from the community.

Do your best, now i will look forward to your project, and hope you'll take all advantages of what has been told to you. I'm, and we are not bad guys, but simply mugen players that are waiting with great interest, to your game.

Good luck, Do your best...and C U maybe a little bit later.
     
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#32  January 13, 2014, 10:50:02 am
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^ Such a stupid post. Not meaning that you are stupid, but those words are, because:
- This is a HOBBY. No one forces you to follow this.
- It's a DEMO. It's something to be released with necessary(in some aspects) flaws for making it better in the future.
- Sprites in Low Res: This is FREE. What the HELL did you expect? HR with HR filters? Or maybe HD? Spriting is, if you didn't know, HARD, even in a low res work.
- If you're that superfan, then, WHY NOT SPRITING THEM YOURSELF? As you're that superfan, you would be making something HR(or maybe HD!!) for us to download...But it's easier to "insult" the guy who AT LEAST IS MAKING SOMETHING.
- That "I expect from you" tone. Man, you're not his boss. You're not his dad. You're nothing to him. You're just someone who saw "soul edge mugen" maybe in google or when the message popped up here and you expectd to have something PROFESSIONAL without throwing some bucks to it.
- Deviantart. Yeah, sure. There's a lot of spriters who makes a WHOLE character if you tell them so. Of course.

I may not be liking the guy's work(because I don't like it, even I love SE/ SC), but I'm not coming here to say "your work is X", or "you suck". He said (in the first post?) that he doesn't wants feedback which, in my humble opinion is THE WORST you can do for a project you're working at. But, hey! I respect his decission not blaming the guy. So, your reply to this topic is...empty. Some people said things(yeah!) but at least they're not using THAT tone of you.

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#33  January 13, 2014, 11:09:00 am
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This is beta not demo.

Demo is a demonstration version of a full game, for example we take 1 level of CoD, use 4-5 weapons and you can finish it in 20 minutes.

Fighting game demo is a version of a full game with few (4 out of 20) FULLY COMPLETED characters, what you have gave us is a beta.
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#34  January 13, 2014, 12:24:42 pm
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^ Such a stupid post. Not meaning that you are stupid, but those words are, because:
- This is a HOBBY. No one forces you to follow this.
- It's a DEMO. It's something to be released with necessary(in some aspects) flaws for making it better in the future.
- Sprites in Low Res: This is FREE. What the HELL did you expect? HR with HR filters? Or maybe HD? Spriting is, if you didn't know, HARD, even in a low res work.
- If you're that superfan, then, WHY NOT SPRITING THEM YOURSELF? As you're that superfan, you would be making something HR(or maybe HD!!) for us to download...But it's easier to "insult" the guy who AT LEAST IS MAKING SOMETHING.
- That "I expect from you" tone. Man, you're not his boss. You're not his dad. You're nothing to him. You're just someone who saw "soul edge mugen" maybe in google or when the message popped up here and you expectd to have something PROFESSIONAL without throwing some bucks to it.
- Deviantart. Yeah, sure. There's a lot of spriters who makes a WHOLE character if you tell them so. Of course.

I may not be liking the guy's work(because I don't like it, even I love SE/ SC), but I'm not coming here to say "your work is X", or "you suck". He said (in the first post?) that he doesn't wants feedback which, in my humble opinion is THE WORST you can do for a project you're working at. But, hey! I respect his decission not blaming the guy. So, your reply to this topic is...empty. Some people said things(yeah!) but at least they're not using THAT tone of you.

Thx man

that's also my point of view..i've been too rude for such a hard work...

Next time maybe Lr or  Hr or Filtered.... hope the final version will impress me much...

but for now too bad.......

i'm not a coder and not designer nor creator...and always expecting much more than a poor human being, like my friend could do...so...a great sorry, and don't be too disappointed for some poorless mind.

i'm a great fan of soul calibur and always bought my famous games...that wouldn't be your case.... i think...maybe i'm wrong...

anyway fade up with those demo... i will wait for a real and enhanced game...if not....the story will teach us that i was right...

bye bye

and for the others enjoy this fine demo of ....

;)
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#35  January 13, 2014, 06:19:17 pm
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I know what you mean Eliott...but please don't be too rude... ok it is a fact that the creator haven't took time to finalize is work. And maybe i will for the future.

I know such as many player and mugeners here you were so dissapointed that you'd tried to awaken the creator, in order he gave us the best for the next time.

I totally agree with you... but it was maybe a first try for him...not so bad, but not very good. but a try anyway.

so every one should stay calm and wait for better days and an enhanced version of what should be a great mugen.. if...

Eliott you should help him, by filtering his chars..as i know you can do it...and have the skills to do so..

peace !!!
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
#36  January 14, 2014, 12:16:03 am
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I'm working alone if you want to help me then quit complaining and help
lots of people want to complain and not even help me I'm doing this alone
like anyone here would care
Re: Soul Edge 2 Demo 1.0 A
New #37  January 14, 2014, 12:30:16 am
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This is MUGEN a fighting game engine for people who are dedicated to take their own time to make free characters and stages for others to use, you want perfection? then play the original game, you're just another user here and by the way you're acting no one its gonna take you seriously , no one here has to "impress you", matter fact no one will pay attention to you, the only attention you are get its from the admins of this forum and im sure they will "impress you" so hopefully next time you think twice before you make another moronic post.
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Last Edit: January 14, 2014, 12:38:56 am by Lord Kain