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Jango Hakamichi

Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#1  February 01, 2014, 05:48:18 am
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Howdy. This is actually a question more directed @Diepod:

So I was playing with Bluestreak and noticed he has a unique winpose against GokuZ2 and VegetaZ2 (wind blows and pushes his hood down to reveal spikey hair). I downloaded SSJ GokuZ2 but noticed he went into his normal winposes. So I opened up the .cns to see if I could find SSJ GokuZ2's name in the triggers.

It's not there, but there's a bunch of triggers to characters that I've never downloaded before. Here are a few examples.

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trigger29 = Enemy, Name = "great saiyaman by Franciynaldo" || Enemy, Name = "Gohan Z2" || Enemy, Name = "Shameless Goku Z2 headswap"
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trigger30 = Enemy, Name = "Mistico gohan by franciynaldo" || Enemy, Name = "Pan Dragonball GT por Ssonic" || Enemy, Name = "Poor recipient of a pregnant fetish"
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trigger86 = Enemy, Name = "OH NO MASSAH GAMBIT DON' BEAT LITTLE OL' ME" || Enemy, Name = "Marvel vs Capcom - Eternity of Heroes: Gambit"

Now for those of you who don't do MUGEN code, these are actual names that Bluestreak looks for to activate its character-specific interactions. So for example, if I changed Mr. Jones' name to "OH NO MASSAH GAMBIT DON' BEAT LITTLE OL' ME", then I would trigger Bluestreak's intro against super hero characters, and if I edited Pupa's name to be "Poor recipient of a pregnant fetish," I would get his winpose against Saiyan characters.

My question is, are these names necessary? Because it seems kinda weird that you would have the engine look for a name that a character isn't likely to have, especially when there is a relevant character with an established rivalry to Bluestreak that isn't accounted for. Not to mention that having Bluestreak look for way more names than necessary could possibly break against chars with legitimate interaction.

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#2  February 01, 2014, 05:53:22 am
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how is that a question for me?

Jango Hakamichi

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#3  February 01, 2014, 05:59:03 am
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Seeing as you are the artist, I thought it was your intention to have the Saiyan winpose trigger against the appropriate characters, so my question was asked with the intention of ensuring that your animation worked properly.

If you don't have that kind of creative control, however, I apologize.

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#4  February 01, 2014, 06:00:40 am
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Bluestreak actually activates to this name?
"Shameless Goku Z2 headswap"?

Why?


"OH NO MASSAH "
Oy?!

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#5  February 01, 2014, 06:09:55 am
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Who cares? They're letters in a notepad and can be deleted as such.
If you close your eyes, your life a naked truth revealed
Dreams you never lived and scars never healed
In the darkness light will take you to the other side
And find me waiting there, you'll see if you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.
If you just close your eyes.

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#6  February 01, 2014, 06:13:02 am
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Jango said, February 01, 2014, 05:48:18 am
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trigger86 = Enemy, name= "OH NO MASSAH GAMBIT DON' BEAT LITTLE OL' ME" || Enemy, name=%26quot%3BMarvel vs Capcom - Eternity of Heroes: Gambit"
Hmmm... I thought trigger86 was invalid anyway. IIRC mugen stops at trigger50. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Diepod

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#7  February 01, 2014, 06:23:14 am
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I did not pick the names/characters used for the intro win pose triggers. I trusted that to Jesuszilla. I'm in charge but he still sneaks his jokes in there I suppose.

Also the "spikey hair" a win pose is one that we both goofed on. He didn't add the separated blonde hair sprites (Bluestreak goes ssj) and I didn't tell him to take the win pose out.

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#8  February 01, 2014, 10:12:25 am
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Speaking of Bluestreak, if he's against Rugal in turn battles, and whoever is next to face the other, Bluestreak will just stand there and not do anything.  Unless you press a button to skip the intro, both characters will continue to just stand there.

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#9  February 01, 2014, 11:11:33 am
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Last Edit: February 01, 2014, 04:37:14 pm by Balthazar

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#10  February 01, 2014, 04:48:43 pm
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#11  February 01, 2014, 05:18:22 pm
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I am chilling, I didn't even use exclamation marks!

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#12  February 01, 2014, 05:22:03 pm
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he's afraid of telling jesuszilla to remove the humorous jabs at your work. the sooner you accept that reality the better

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#13  February 01, 2014, 11:58:22 pm
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Titiln said, February 01, 2014, 05:22:03 pm
he's afraid of telling jesuszilla to remove the humorous jabs at your work. the sooner you accept that reality the better

I didn't know they were there Titiln, I also don't know what your problem is. Can we all be civil for once?

Jesuszilla, don't put those goofy names in my characters please.

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#14  February 02, 2014, 03:01:10 am
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This forum allows all kinds of content, borrowed, compiled, outright stolen to the point of being a cesspool of disrespectful shits in the eyes of the Japanese communities, yet people are digging through hidden code (not even fully visible readmes) to bring out old grudges AND THAT IS CANDIDATE FOR CENSORSHIP? Pat yourselves in the back guys

What kind of persecution is this? The bullshit kind, if you ask me.
      Posted: February 02, 2014, 03:06:01 am
Also, I don't see how my showing of enthusiasm towards having a friend being active again isn't "benefitial" to the community. I do those appreciation posts often. Can I please have a list of people I shouldn't say hello to? You know, like an MFG certified approved user list to show enthusiasm for?

Fuck off guys in the Staff.
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Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 03:09:51 am by Walter F

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#15  February 02, 2014, 03:28:23 am
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the japanese are fucking insane.

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#16  February 02, 2014, 03:36:06 am
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At least im glad to see Diepod and Balth mending that fence, I admit I was upset at the potshots towards balth.

Walter F said, February 02, 2014, 03:01:10 am
      Posted: February 02, 2014, 03:06:01 am
Also, I don't see how my showing of enthusiasm towards having a friend being active again isn't "benefitial" to the community. I do those appreciation posts often. Can I please have a list of people I shouldn't say hello to? You know, like an MFG certified approved user list to show enthusiasm for?

Fuck off guys in the Staff.

Wait, anyone censored you for greeting jz?

Titiln

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#17  February 02, 2014, 04:08:26 am
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Walter F said, February 02, 2014, 03:01:10 am
people are digging through hidden code (not even fully visible readmes) to bring out old grudges AND THAT IS CANDIDATE FOR CENSORSHIP?
the rule change is not retroactive

Diepod said, February 01, 2014, 11:58:22 pm
I also don't know what your problem is. Can we all be civil for once?
i have a problem with a stupid "joke" writing off gohan z2 as a shitty headswap when that character has a bunch of new animations. as someone that appreciates effort i find that extremely insulting. the fact that you're all oh so disgusted at jango for doing the unbelievably pathetic work of checking a cns to see what names trigger what intros, yet aren't at all disgusted by that horseshit is baffling.
Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 04:13:55 am by Titiln

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#18  February 02, 2014, 05:20:35 am
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Yeah, it is absolutely not retroactive. If someone keeps trying to bring up stuff to instigate shit, we will moderate them harshly, because people should be allowed to move on with their lives. What happened in the past should stay in the past, dredging up old history just to cause mischief is extraordinarily heinous and is very detrimental to the community as a whole.

Note that this does not apply to new releases of old characters; this would be treated the same as a new character. This is no more censorship than the existing rules here: we are merely applying the same standards that govern the rules of posting on the forums to releases posted on the forum. There shouldn't be anything controversial about that.

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#19  February 02, 2014, 06:02:55 am
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Titiln said, February 02, 2014, 04:08:26 am
i have a problem with a stupid "joke" writing off gohan z2 as a shitty headswap when that character has a bunch of new animations. as someone that appreciates effort i find that extremely insulting. the fact that you're all oh so disgusted at jango for doing the unbelievably pathetic work of checking a cns to see what names trigger what intros, yet aren't at all disgusted by that horseshit is baffling.
Frankly my problem would be with the alternate name in the gambit trigger long before the headswap one.

Honestly, both sides of that incident disturb me.

Vans said, January 15, 2014, 10:25:02 pm
I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.

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#20  February 02, 2014, 07:28:26 am
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Titiln said, February 02, 2014, 04:08:26 am

Diepod said, February 01, 2014, 11:58:22 pm
I also don't know what your problem is. Can we all be civil for once?
i have a problem with a stupid "joke" writing off gohan z2 as a shitty headswap when that character has a bunch of new animations. as someone that appreciates effort i find that extremely insulting. the fact that you're all oh so disgusted at jango for doing the unbelievably pathetic work of checking a cns to see what names trigger what intros, yet aren't at all disgusted by that horseshit is baffling.

You read way too much into my asking why he asked me about code things. The simple fact is I don't code anything, which everyone knows. I don't like or agree with the name jokes, never have I said I was ok with that shit.

Please do not jump to such conclusions.
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