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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#41  February 03, 2014, 10:45:16 am
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Lichtbringer said, February 03, 2014, 06:30:49 am
So he put some let's call it "bad Jokes" into the char, it was not nice but not worth all the drama here.
Many players will don't see it anyway because they just want to play and are not interested into the coding, and the people who are looking into the code should be able to change the names easily.

"Bad jokes", jokes with racist content and accusing others of being bad content creators, are in bad taste offend other users and annoy people in general. You cant handwave insulting people with "it was merely a joke", you can just make ammends towards them and adapt your behaviour in the future ( as opposed to keep the same behaviour repeatedly and dub it "keeping it real" or "just like I am" )

He has been around long enough, with cryptic messages in his sigs avatars and other pieces of work  insulting other creators and is known for going on rants about what harm should come to people and how much they are inferior to him that at this point his "bad jokes" make us all look bad and dont look like "jokes" that much.

His targets over the time have included Sean Altly , Reu, Warner, Pots, me, Caddie, Cybaster, Balthazar , Drex, Hurricane2s, Mightykombat and a host of others.  Sometimes cryptically, sometimes openly.

I would rather not have had balth annoyed at this ( he was, he got over it ) . I would rather not have users tell me, like they have in the past that they  stopped posting as much because of this kind of behaviour. But as long as people handwave it all as "bad jokes" and then get mad that someone brought it up instead of someone having created them we will keep having "bad jokes".

It would be in jz interest, and I have told him this countless times before, to be as amiable as possible to others, instead of creating so much negative attention to anyone that chooses to relate with him. 
He is a great creator and I believe he's a very inteligent fellow, so this marrs his works in a very unneeded way.

So please, dont try to handwave the situations away.

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#42  February 03, 2014, 11:36:25 am
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#43  February 03, 2014, 01:42:01 pm
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yeah he's the one in charge of changing the release icon when you're too lazy to pick the right one while creating threads, you lazy fucks :V

Also Umezono is part of my Steam's friendlist. I don't think c001357 would ever accept my invitation lol, not even with an alt account. Besides, how can he be similar to c001357 when the latter barely posts? >:D
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#44  February 03, 2014, 01:52:51 pm
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if i add c001357 to my steam friendslist and play videogames with him will i be considered multclienting
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#45  February 03, 2014, 06:03:31 pm
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@Iced

Next time I will try to have a better choice of words, because I dont try to handwave the situations away.

What I mean is, there are better ways to handle are situation like this, users should just use the report button and/or PM a mod/admin instead of creating are new thread here every time, then the Mods/Admins can deal with it without all this drama, if content breaks the rules, remove it from the Forum and warn/bann the user, and after that you guys can decide what to do next.

I just think that would be better instead of adding more fuel to the flames over and over.

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#46  February 04, 2014, 02:06:39 am
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Diepod said, February 02, 2014, 07:28:26 am
I don't like or agree with the name jokes, never have I said I was ok with that shit.

Please do not jump to such conclusions.
it was a very safe conclusion, considering your replies to jango were "why are you asking me" "oh jesuszilla does his jokes hehe" and your reply to balthazar was "chill out please". i had to essentially call you a coward for you to display any sort of disgust to the hilarious joke.

PG_Kamiya said, February 03, 2014, 04:53:08 am
Nobody is safe, dude.

Zeori's CNS, anti-mary sue/gary stu/self-insert/len/kula clone/tons of crap said:
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...
trigger29 = Enemy, Name = "Ares" || Enemy, Name = "Dyan Weinert Kirichenko da Silva" || Enemy, Name = "Nostalgia Critic" || Enemy, Name = "AVGN" || Enemy, Name = "Big_Eli_King" || Enemy, Name = "Eli King"
...
trigger37 = Enemy, Name = "Jesuszilla" || Enemy, Name = "JZ" || Enemy, Name = "cvsjz" ; TRUST NO-ONE, NOT EVEN YOURSELF
...
trigger44 = Enemy, Name = "Si Ma Li" || Enemy, Name = "Most_Mysterious" || Enemy, Name = "Iced" || Enemy, Name = "Titiln" || Enemy, Name = "Pots" || (Enemy, Name = "Rolento" && Enemy, AuthorName = "Bea")
trigger45 = Enemy, Name = "Bea" || Enemy, Name = "Kung Fun Man" || Enemy, Name = "Mae" || Enemy, Name = "Rion" || Enemy, Name = "Himan Zellode"
i don't know what the fuck this is, am i supposed to think any of this is as insulting as shameless goku headswap? it's fun to joke around with your friends, but you'd have to be socially inept to think a joke like This character is a shameless headswap LOL would fly with someone you barely know or have any contact with. given balthazar's reaction it was obviously a shitty joke. this is obviously under the assumption that it was merely a joke and not a potshot

also your reply to umezono questioning your brutally flawed idea of respect was calling him a c001357 alt account because avatars. it's a great copout for arguments and i hope it becomes the newest mugen guild meme.

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#47  February 04, 2014, 02:09:11 am
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Best to drop it before he accuses me of being your alt too..........................
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#48  February 04, 2014, 02:14:26 am
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well you do post with no capitalization sometimes. mods can we get a triple permaban here for alt account use

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#49  February 04, 2014, 02:18:15 am
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#50  February 04, 2014, 02:33:49 am
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Oh shit, Lith posted without caps. We've got another alt here. Time to argue with the staff for five months on whether or not to ban them or just leave them all with a light warning.
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Xan is always lovable
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Is finding MUGEN to be more enjoyable to play when you're not wearing clothes an underrated opinion?

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#51  February 04, 2014, 02:37:26 am
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it's okay, i meant no harm when i registered those alt accounts. can an administrator merge them into titiln please

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#52  February 04, 2014, 02:38:21 am
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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#53  February 04, 2014, 02:41:35 am
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Plot twist: MUGEN Guild is actually one dude's echo chamber. The charade is over.

Vans said, January 15, 2014, 10:25:02 pm
I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#54  February 04, 2014, 02:43:58 am
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When did I ever target Reu or Phantom.of.the.Server (save for Zeori having his hitsparks because tons of people are using his style now)? Now you're just pulling things out of your ass, Iced.


Then again, don't answer. I'm through with this shit here because nobody has read a single thing I've said other than Titiln (thank you, by the way), and even then he's still on my ass about what I meant as a harmless joke. If you guys are going to look through all my posts and lines of code for something to offend yourself, that's fine. I have no problem with you wasting your life away.

Now let me do peacefully like I was trying to do, stop bringing the past up when I'm trying to move on, and for lack of a better phrase, fuck off.
Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 03:20:59 am by PG_Kamiya

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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#55  February 04, 2014, 02:52:01 am
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In order to be peaceful, make sure you tell people to fuck off to stress how peaceful and respectable you want to be

Joking but, why cant you just apologize or something for a joke that someone found hurtful no matter your intention, and then tell people to fuck off if they keep at it. I feel like that will probably solve all your drama problems.
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#56  February 04, 2014, 02:54:36 am
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That's basically what I'm saying is I'm going to apologize to Balthazar right now by saying, again, I have a lot of respect for him, and that's been in there for a while as a bullshit trigger (along with a ton of other things), and that was there WAY before I talked to him once again a couple of months ago (when Jango was throwing a bitchfit over an unrelated post Diepod made on DeviantArt to say he doesn't want people to have to wait too long for him to finish things), to remind him that I have absolutely nothing against him and I mean it.


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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#57  February 04, 2014, 02:57:20 am
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Okay yeah, then that's fine, as long as you realize even if you meant nothing by it, the fact it happened and it hurt his feelings mean it was a bad lapse of judgement to have it there, no matter how long it was there (cause whats matter is the reaction, no matter when it happens.) Seems to me you misjudged what the reaction would be. Friendly ribbing seems to be okay but stuff like that can be misconstrued easily. Like when comedians make rape jokes.
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#58  February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
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it's hard to perceive these "i'm trying to move on" posts as honest when, if that was the case, the first reply to any of this should've been something like "that was a bad joke in a release from a long time ago, i have no ill will towards balthazar, it's not going to be in future versions of the character". instead you attempted to justify it by pasting another cns block that namedropped a bunch of other people and said umezono is a c001357 alt. you also said you respect balthazar, but considering the above it doesn't come off as very honest. this would be much simpler if you just admitted that maybe it wasn't such a great joke but it seems you refuse to do so because what i guess is some weird sense of comedic pride.

this same concept applies to this debacle of a thread where you took the dramatic route when a simpler "that shit is old and not relevant, it won't be in future releases, i'm moving, there's no need to make a big deal of it" would've been easier for everybody, but it's a hideki kamiya poasting gimmick FTW instead. if you just said that in a simpler way everybody should be able to move on and anyone that brought up old shit wouldn't have much of a legitimate reason to do so at that point.

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#59  February 04, 2014, 04:03:27 am
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Titiln said, February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
it's hard to perceive these "i'm trying to move on" posts as honest when, if that was the case, the first reply to any of this should've been something like "that was a bad joke in a release from a long time ago, i have no ill will towards balthazar, it's not going to be in future versions of the character".
I said several fucking times that I have no ill will towards Balthazar, jesus fucking christ.

Titiln said, February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
instead you attempted to justify it by pasting another cns block that namedropped a bunch of other people
To show that I did that shit to a lot of people and it honestly means dick all.

Titiln said, February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
and said umezono is a c001357 alt.
Do you people take everything seriously?

Titiln said, February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
you also said you respect balthazar, but considering the above it doesn't come off as very honest.
Why would I hide it or not mean it when I say it? I've shown that if I want to tell someone to fuck off, I damn well tell them to fuck off when they bring it up. If I REALLY wanted to make this easier while snaking my way out of it, I'd be apologizing to people who deserve no apology just because they happen to be in a position of power, and I certainly wouldn't be here arguing otherwise.

Titiln said, February 04, 2014, 03:33:21 am
this would be much simpler if you just admitted that maybe it wasn't such a great joke but it seems you refuse to do so because what i guess is some weird sense of comedic pride.

this same concept applies to this debacle of a thread where you took the dramatic route when a simpler "that shit is old and not relevant, it won't be in future releases, i'm moving, there's no need to make a big deal of it" would've been easier for everybody, but it's a hideki kamiya poasting gimmick FTW instead. if you just said that in a simpler way everybody should be able to move on and anyone that brought up old shit wouldn't have much of a legitimate reason to do so at that point.

So you're saying it would have been much simpler if I just answered to the humor police instead of, y'know, the actual issues? Well excuse me, Commissioner Titiln. I didn't realize I had to take this up with the MUGEN Comedy Guild first.


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Re: Split from JZS's WIP thread tied to the recent Releases Ethics feedback thread
#60  February 04, 2014, 04:14:50 am
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who the fuck cares anymore move on

both of you.

Vans said, January 15, 2014, 10:25:02 pm
I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.
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