I've often caught myself looking though pages of content trying to find characters, stages, add-on's, ect, that would be considered good. I've even spent time reading page for page, reading what others have given feedback on. But wouldn't it be easier for people to find quality content if you guys added a start rating system? Users could rate the content so others would know if that character is worth downloading.
Too many people here hold grudges and confer with eachother against people they don't like. It'd lead to cliques up and down voting content they want to be promoted or ignored.
Caddie said, April 16, 2013, 11:34:07 amToo many people here hold grudges and confer with each other against people they don't like. It'd lead to cliques up and down voting content they want to be promoted or ignored.Agreed.In places where anonymous voting takes place, like Youtube, it is common for people to let petty hatred and grudges get in the way of proper opinion.Heck, some people downvote for the heck of it. Same with upvoting.Rajaa said, April 16, 2013, 01:24:37 pmMaking it optional for topic starters could solve that, much like Youtube. I think it's a nice idea.I do think, however, making rating an optional thing to do is the way to go, especially for creations who does not get too much feedback anyway.
Holy shit ! What the hell is happening !? That's two days in a row Pikachu guy posts something smart.
i usually go with views, the most views something has the more exceptional it is, for the positive or the negative.
Same here. Usually views says a lot of the popularity of something. Not as accurate as ratings by voting with results going further than 1000 positives, but it works.
I think it's plausible to say the reputation system in late 2009/early 2010 was an experiment in this, and it didn't really go well at all.
Caddie said, April 16, 2013, 11:34:07 amToo many people here hold grudges and confer with eachother against people they don't like. It'd lead to cliques up and down voting content they want to be promoted or ignored.This. I don't think the results would be 100% accurate and a lot of voters would vote out of spite or just for the hell of it. Either way, how do you know that you wouldn't like a character that everyone had a negative opinion/vote on?
Godemis said, April 16, 2013, 05:43:44 pmhow do you know that you wouldn't like a character that everyone had a negative opinion/vote on? It's not a contest, it's to help you dig out good stuff that were lost in older pages. If you stumble on one that has few votes and you still like, good for you, that can still happen. All this will do is pull up those that actually got a lot of votes, there can't be any negative impact if it's not the default sorting method, you can still do the tedious method and browse through the older pages. There's no prize at the end.If anything, this is no different from the CotM contests, so it can't possibly be any worse than that.And as said before, the "clique" promotion/flaming can be dodged if the rating is disabled by the poster. Also, the very worst way it can go is a topic not getting any star, and that would simply be the same as if no one had voted (you just have to not show the number of votes), so there can't be any ganging up that would even show up.
Godemis said, April 16, 2013, 05:43:44 pmI don't think the results would be 100% accurate and a lot of voters would vote out of spite or just for the hell of it. Either way, how do you know that you wouldn't like a character that everyone had a negative opinion/vote on? And this, sometimes you enjoy what people find bad or you don't enjoy what people find good. Also don't post counts also help with this?
I think it's a good idea, but the ratings would have to be implemented in a way so that you can better differentiate the good from the average.
Huh? That's what this whole thread is about. That's the proposed idea. A method to see what people think is awesome, just average, or garbage. Seriously, you need to start reading stuff.
DKDC said, April 16, 2013, 05:49:49 pmIt's not a contest, it's to help you dig out good stuff that were lost in older pages. If you stumble on one that has few votes and you still like, good for you, that can still happen. All this will do is pull up those that actually got a lot of votes, there can't be any negative impact if it's not the default sorting method, you can still do the tedious method and browse through the older pages. There's no prize at the end.If anything, this is no different from the CotM contests, so it can't possibly be any worse than that.And as said before, the "clique" promotion/flaming can be dodged if the rating is disabled by the poster. Also, the very worst way it can go is a topic not getting any star, and that would simply be the same as if no one had voted (you just have to not show the number of votes), so there can't be any ganging up that would even show up.I see what you're saying, I didn't think of it that way. It's still a potential possibility that someone with spite of a certain creator would waste their time negatively voting certain releases, but that's highly doubtful. Also, are you saying that the voting feature can only be enabled by the user? Meaning that older releases cannot have the voting enabled unless the creator takes the time to add it to all of his threads for w/e reason if that's the case what I stated before means nothing. Regardless, thanks for clearing that up.
Rajaa said, April 16, 2013, 10:33:22 pmHuh? That's what this whole thread is about. That's the proposed idea. A method to see what people think is awesome, just average, or garbage. Seriously, you need to start reading stuff. I didn't clarify what I meant I guess. I said it's a good idea but how it's implemented would be key, because a straight up rate from 1 to 5 wouldn't work, and it would be hard to tell what's actually great or average. We would also need to discourage creators "bribing" members for good ratings
Caddie said, April 16, 2013, 11:34:07 amToo many people here hold grudges and confer with eachother against people they don't like. It'd lead to cliques up and down voting content they want to be promoted or ignored.That is true, but one bad egg out of at least one hundred won't hurt much of anything
Honestly, if we applied the star system I would never trust it. Everybody would vote using their personal tastes in characters, and while this is completely normal, it also can't be trusted 100%. An example, someone creates a KoF character claiming it has KoF gameplay but it's just a poor imitation of it. Some of you would downrate this character because of that, but others would think it's fun to play even if it failed to replicate KoF gameplay. As you can see, it's impossible to judge if it's worth downloading or not. Someone who really cares about accuracy in KoF gameplay would probably dislike it, while others wouldn't if it's fun.Also, there's the problem that some releases are just completely ignored because they don't manage to get anybody's attention (lack of screenshots, lack of good description, character doesn't appeal, doesn't like the source from where it comes, etc.), causing them to get no stars and that, honestly, isn't fair for people who releases something for the first time. And a lot of things in Found Releases are completely ignored sometimes, as people sometimes focus more on Your Releases, which would make the star system go completely against them without even trying them.IMO, the CoTM and CoTY works perfectly for telling you about releases worth downloading, and after staying in this site for a month you start seeing what creators you should pay attention. And there's the awesome database being worked in MUGEN Discussion in which you can randomly go and try different characters if you're interested, which can help you find out more creators worth checking. And people does post in releases to tell you about flaws seen or about good things the character carries. I would trust more the opinion of users, screenshots and vids rather than a star system or something similar to votes. Maybe you could apply the star system in the database, but it's not a good idea to apply it here IMO.
You don't understand the point of a starring system:The point of a starring system is to see what other people like, not necessarily to find something that is personally appealing. If something has 5 stars, then it's safe to say that the content in the topic is preferred by some sort of majority (or something like that). If something has no stars or one star, then people don't care about it, or, in the case of the the latter, people think it sucks. It's also good for statistical purposes to see where the mind of the community lies.It being optional allows people to opt out of the starring scrutiny, but at the end of the day, it's just a nice Easter egg that can be useful for people who want to use it.
The problem is that people will only focus on those 5 stars that look so cool in that thread, while they will ignore the other threads that only has 0-1 star. If you want to see where the mind of the comunity lies, usually the number of posts are a good indication that this thread release has attracted a lot of people.The only ones who will gain advantadge will be the ones that are already famous, while others who aren't will suddenly find that they don't even get a single view now. Yeah, people usually trust those stars blindly, just look at movies. Just that you find one with 5 stars, you go check it regardless if the film is good or not, ignoring comments below that say it's not good. That's how people normally thinks.
At the same time though instead of an actual 1-5 starring method what would be your opinion on a more simple "like" or "thumbs up" (No thumbs downs) system? This eliminates negative ratings and you can get a better approximate average rating out of that IMO. Then guys browsing releases could just come through, sort topics based on the amount of likes/thumbs ups and it'll be easier for them to find quality characters.
that's a better alternative to using the amount of posts as reference, then findign out that the 2 pages of post ahve nothing to do with the character that has been released and are instead a discussion on hwo mai dresses like a slut.
Nanashi_1337 said, April 17, 2013, 01:12:33 amThe problem is that people will only focus on those 5 stars that look so cool in that thread, while they will ignore the other threads that only has 0-1 star. If you want to see where the mind of the comunity lies, usually the number of posts are a good indication that this thread release has attracted a lot of people.The only ones who will gain advantadge will be the ones that are already famous, while others who aren't will suddenly find that they don't even get a single view now. Yeah, people usually trust those stars blindly, just look at movies. Just that you find one with 5 stars, you go check it regardless if the film is good or not, ignoring comments below that say it's not good. That's how people normally thinks.I don't skip threads, videos, and movies on other sites because of their star ratings, I go by their titles to see if they are topics that interest me. I also read other people's comments. I don't know how other people function.Anyway, people already get ignored without the starring system. So. It's also a way for lurkers to participate without actually participating."Likes" is also a good idea.
Yeah, likes does work better, you get a general idea on how many people liked it and how many disliked it. I saw it being used in Skyrim Nexus and it works well to know which mods are more liked.
I think the "like/endorsement" function would work best, and could be coupled with other search features like they do on Nexus. Being able to search for "most endorsed all-time" or "most endorsed in last 2 weeks" helps finding good stuff a bit easier.
Would be better to have a screenshot appear on mouseover with stats of what the content is.IE, resolution, completed frames, etc.
I don't think its a bad idea.. It has the potential to be abused by Idiots, of course. however with a proper setup/moderation, it could work. For example:- Go to the settings icon- select "Feedback"- Post your feedback in the topic of choiceonce it's done:The option to cast a star vote (1 Through 10) will be available. voter's can't charge their votes once done. Add a couple modifications to make it better, and It's perfect..!
But with not being able to change ratings, it's a bit restrictive. Most content is updated and re-released, and since a good amount of people keep using the same topic to post updates, shouldn't members be able to change their ratings? An update to a character can sometimes make it better or worse. It seems like not allowing members to change their rating could encourage creators to keep making new topics for every update, potentially bogging down the release sections.
I also support the idea of "Like (without negative voting option)" statistic.People who like releases will obviously upvote them.Those who don't will just ignore the release.Those who have a grudge against the release and/or creator cannot harm them more than they already can (write walls of text, create drama, etc).I think it's a good idea, would be a better way to evaluate releases than post count since there are a lot of good releases that only get 2 or 3 comments or there are bad release topics with most of the posts being about arguing with the creator and/or giving extensive feedback.
