Okay, since mfg changed up their forum and stuff, do ppl here allow stealing of creations now? Not to sound like a thief, just a thought since I was creating a screenpack (coding is a bitch) and ran into a lot of material I could've taken from other screenpacks. If not, I could simply try to get ahold of the creators. My only problem is that some creators speak in different languages
...as far as the rules of the forum and the mods and admins are concerned, giving credit is all you need to do.as far as the actual userbase not flaming you off the face of the planet, actual permission is required.Up to you I guess.
Why do you even have to steal codes? that wouldn't make you a creator.Learn on your own and post for help in the help section when you need it.
Indeed.You can just grab the code from another screenpack, but you will be flamed like hell (But it's still within the forum rules), or you can ask for permission and after permission is granted grab the code.
Shin'ichi Kudo said, September 13, 2007, 07:54:59 amWhy do you even have to steal codes? that wouldn't make you a creator.Learn on your own and post for help in the help section when you need it.oh no, you got it all wrong lol. I just got into coding and am learning how to code. I'm just taking sprites from other screenpacks and coding it myself. Don't worry, I'm not taking any coding . It's all me, but I might just need permission to use their materials like sprites and such. I may need some help w/ coding, so i'm also trying to get a hold of the creators as well.
Sprites are not that big of a deal really. Unless edits or something. You want to let the author know regardless.Actually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code?
What he said pretty much covers it regarding screenpacks. I guess if you ripped off a look of someone's screenpack then you'd have to deal with them coming at you quite pissed. The real issue will lie more with lifebars if anything as those usually involve some editing to get them to work in mugen just right.
Just No Point said, September 13, 2007, 06:39:25 pmSprites are not that big of a deal really. Unless edits or something. You want to let the author know regardless.Actually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code? So screenpacks creators doesn't have the same respect as a char creator?
Huh, what?Sprites are not a big deal for characters either. I didn't say anything about respect.He should let the author know of course.Your classifications of disrespect are odd to me =P
Just No Point said, September 13, 2007, 06:39:25 pmActually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code? I said that because of that part of yuour post, but nevermind.
Er, either you have never attempted to make a screenpack, or you are one of the most anal "code theft is bad" guys in the world!
What?Are you fucking blind?I never said anything about "code thief" or something related, dude.geez, and people says i'm dumb.
aLuCaRd_X said, September 13, 2007, 07:16:22 pmJust No Point said, September 13, 2007, 06:39:25 pmSprites are not that big of a deal really. Unless edits or something. You want to let the author know regardless.Actually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code? So screenpacks creators doesn't have the same respect as a char creator? aLuCaRd_X said, September 13, 2007, 07:32:35 pmJust No Point said, September 13, 2007, 06:39:25 pmActually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code? I said that because of that part of yuour post, but nevermind.Yes I am blind when you are not very clear. I thought you were referring to code theft and respect correlation. But instead it seems you were simply asking me if I have less respect for a screenpack maker since it is simpler to make than a character.You have posted quite a bit on the "evils" of using other's code so I jumped the gun here and assumed that was what you spoke of yet again.So to answer your question, No, I don't have less respect for screenpack makers. I have identical respect that goes up or down if I get to "know them" better.For example, a great character maker with a bad attitude I would have less respect for than a palette swapping screenpack maker that is nice any day.
TDS, Al is speaking about how you said "can you even call that code" and "stealing from a screenpack isn't worth flaming" (which is understandable and correct enough, although badly worded). Actually you can call that code, but what it was supposed to sound like is "it's easy enough for someone who is doing it seriously to not need to 'steal' it from others" and "stealing from screenpacks can only be small things, so nobody would flame for that". Basically. Do I translate right ? Well, you saying "you can't even call that code" and "nobody would care enough about screenpacks to flame" is what Al reacted to, as he took that for disrespect. Which can easily be understood, frankly.
Just No Point said, September 13, 2007, 06:39:25 pmSprites are not that big of a deal really. Unless edits or something. You want to let the author know regardless.Actually I find it funny people would flame you for taking code from a screenpack as well. I mean can you even really call that stuff code? good point, good point. thnx for all the info meaning everyone as well as you. So yeah, hopefully, if I DO release it, I will give consent to all the creators. The only concern I have is if I can't contact some of the creators, then I release it, then they said I can't use it and drama will unfold, so yeah. I'm not so sure about releasing it as of yet since it may be too good lol. and besides, I should hold onto good hi-res screenpacks for now until more good or decent hi-res screenpacks come out, because everyone will probably be all over it and a certain individual may lose my respect, so i might wanna wait and get a lil more feedback once i'm done.
I have to say this.Unless you draw your own sprites and create your own code, file for intellectual properties and copyrights of design for your fighters, your "mugen creations" will NEVER, EEEEVERRRR be YOUR creations. Using licensed sprites with homemade code justifies nothing. Evil Ken, POTS's Shin Akuma, cheap-ass Nightmare Broli, not even my creations...it justifies NOOOTHING. They can only be fanmade fighters. Flagging stolen code and sprites is a waste of time. If you know you are the true creator and your counterparts, leave it at that. ........It only marks a mugen author as an advance amateur until he steps in the ring of C++.Nevertheless, stealing code (like 3 CNS files or something) and tweaking one phrase of it is a no-no. I think it's ok to overlook someone's code and set your statedefs like theirs so you can understand what does what and what goes where...but, stealing code isn't going to teach you shit.Gintoki said, September 13, 2007, 07:54:59 amWhy do you even have to steal codes? that wouldn't make you a creator.Learn on your own and post for help in the help section when you need it.That very issue is why some steal code in the first place; no feedback.
Quoteuntil he steps in the ring of C++.That's not really relevant. Simple as Mugen coding might be, the process is still the same. And, you do consider those problems in communities centered around more developped languages ; someone who creates a copy of, random example, Solitaire, can't claim the "game" named Solitaire to be his own, but he can say the "code" is, for this particular edition. People just don't bother with it seeing how it's not really advanced coding. In the Mugen community specifically, people do react because the attitude of taking other people's stuff and call it your own is seen too often, and people decided it was lame and started reacting after a while. That happened because it was still actually possible to enforce, what with the community being not really big and all. More people try to come in, but as copy-paste is still very present, the results are 99% shit.QuoteWhy do you even have to steal codes? that wouldn't make you a creator.Creator or not isn't the matter, people who do that can easily be doing so for the result and not care about being called a creator as long as they have a flying SSJ25 Goku or whatever. It's a random explanation but just something that simple removes that argument you used. Yet, that's exactly the reason 99% of the creations are usually downright shit.
But even if you draw your own sprites and make your own code people will still do whatever they want with them because once it's relesed on the internet it belongs to everyone except you.
